Normal Kirby upgrade (final try)

[The_real_cal_howard]

SD convinced me to make a thread about it. This would disregard the previous one if true, but if it's false, then go back to that one.

So, Kirby has seven 3-B to 3-A feats. All relating to Another Dimension.

• First there's Magolor, who, which we all know of by now.

• Then there's Landia, who was powered by the same thing that empowered Magolor, and had better control of it too (3-B to 3-A).

• Next is Lor Starcutter, that was still somewhat intact after being defeated by empowered Landia (3-B).

• And there's the curtain that was gradually consuming the universe (3-B). A curtain that Kirby can push back/overpower with his own force.

• Claycia is also capable of pushing back a gradual universe destroying wave. Yet Kirby managed to defeat her.

• Dark Mind corrupted the Mirror World, which the Kirby Wiki calls an alternate universe. Plot starts because Meta Knight thinks it will spread to Dream Land Zamasu style.

• Lastly the one I've found most recently was that Galacta Knight literally fires the Alternate Dimension at you. Proof that it's the AD and a powerful feat is that sometimes, he even fires the Lor Starcutter (3-A). And this is in Planet Robobot. Star Dream survived a shot from GK. So can Meta Knight (and defeat him too).

And Kirby took hits from and beat them all. This should be enough to de-outlier the outlier.

 

[PaChi2]

if this were dragon ball, it'd be accepted by now. but isnt this Kirby while using the special power up available in each game?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Nope. No powerups for any of these but Magolor (and even then, only when he puts up shields)

 

[SomebodyData]

Like I said in the thread, there has to be quite the bit of 4-A feats to make these an outlier, assuming the are individual feats not based on scaling of course. Still I would like to hear the side of the people who declared this to be an outlier first.

@Pachi it took Dragon Ball Gt 3 feats, 4 statements, and a historic fact to upgrade them to 4-A just saying.

 

[Jonathanlighter]

this makes sense

i dont see why an upgrade shouldnt be given

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

There's only one 4-A feat (that was beyond casual), two 5-B feats, one which Kirby smiled his way out of. The other is the reason it was an outlier.

 

[Jonathanlighter]

what is the 4-A feat

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Again, proof for the dimensions being universal?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Dark Nebula destroying matter until only a distant galaxy remains...by waking.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Again, proof for the dimensions being universal?

I answered that in the previous thread. It's the same universe Magolor manipulates to his whim.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Magolor has shown 3-B sized at best, which is based on a simple visual cue, which is already generous

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Visual cue? Also, why wouldn't the place be an AU.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

We assume it's the size of multiples galaxy based on swirly patterns on Magolor's attack, despite the fact that using just background stuff for dimension size isn't allowed.

This is just a dimension, no reason to assume full universe

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Don't we assume things are full universes unless heavy evidence points otherwise? Look at the HTC. We thought it was a full universe until it was pointed out that it was Planet sized. I mean, it's home to a plethora of creatures. Also, AD is traversed in the Lor fight, so it's not just Magolor's attack.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

But there is no galaxies to be seen, just stars.

The HTC was just a misunderstanding IIRC, no infinite or universal statement existed

 

[SomebodyData]

actually we don't

The HTC came from something kin to Saitama 1/2 universal feat

 

[Cropfist]

@Saikou,

Another Dimension seems to more likely than not be a universe. Numerous stars are seen in the background, and the fight seems to take place near a supermassive black hole, which would imply it is at the very least a galaxy. However, this is of course only the tiny portion that we see, and much more is scrolled past when chasing Magolor. Not to mention when he's defeated, the fabric of the entire dimension collapses. Obviously, this scales to literally no one but Magolor, though.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

A vaguely black hole thingy =\= a supermassive black hole that proves a galaxy. And having tons of stars doesn't mean much again.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Regardless, the flying on Landia part of the final battle shows galaxies (watching final battle right now), and maybe even more. Even then, we already put AD's size at 3-A. Reason Magolor isn't solid 3-A is because we're not sure if he FULLY manipulated it.

 

[Ryukama]

If AD is referred to as a universe/dimension, nothing explicitly states or proves it's smaller than a real universe, the fabric of the entire dimension collapses upon defeat and we can see galaxies in the background, then I think it's reasonable to say this is an actual universe.

I mean surely in almost every other series involving cosmic feats, one could say "oh there's no proof it was the size of our own" or going purely on what we've been shown.

Again, I think if a universe isn't suggested to be smaller than our own, it should be assumed to be a real universe. And we've treated many other series like this in the past.

I can't judge the context of these feats, but if they're legit, I suppose 5-6 3-B/3-A feats is considerably more consistent than a single casual 4-A one.

However since I'm not entirely sure, I highlighted this so more knowledgable people can recognize this thread.

 

[Legion350]

I agree with these upgrades

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Alright. Before someone brings up "Sectonia," there's several feats that happen after her that laugh in the face of baseline planet level. As we already know, Claycia is AT LEAST solar system level on her own feats. And after that Galacta Knight, a recurring character now, has a tier 3-B/3-A feat of shooting a beam of a universe at you. Galacta Knight's feat comes in Planet Robobot. Two games after Sectonia and 3 after Magolor. So the bug queen would be the outlier.

Also, Sectonia herself was buffed up/corrupted by Dark Meta Knight's mirror. Someone who is quite literally, a Dark Meta Knight. Meta Knight is equal to Kirby who is well...Kirby. Her feats being only planet level should be naught.

 

[Antvasima]

I am not informed enough to have an opinion about this, but think that we should wait for at least a few days, so different members get the chance to reply.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Agreed.

 

[Promestein]

As with Ryu, I am not completely sure, but the amount of 3-A feats definitely suggests that it wouldn't be that much of an outlier at all, especially when there are so little 4-A feats.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

After reading the thread, I believe 3-B to 3-A seems reasonable, especially since I think the 3-A feats out number the 4-A feats.

 

[Thebluedash]

I think this seems reasonable.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

So we have 5 or 6 staff members agreeing. Is that enough for a change, Ant?

 

[Antvasima]

This is an important change. I still think that we should wait for at least a few days before rushing into it.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I understand.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Not a definite answer here from me but as like Prom Dark and Ryu said, having more feats that are higher than on feat that's of a lower tier (i.e having about 5-6 3-B/3-A level feats compared to one 4-A feat) makes me think this is okay enough.

But idk of anything regarding Kirby of course so i'm just going as to the same thinking as said 3 above.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, from what I vaguely recall, the current tier was decided upon as an average, due to Kirby's sheer inconsistency.

I may remember wrong though.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Actually, Dark Mind may be another tier 3 feat. He corrupted the Mirror World, which would've threatened Dream Land, F-Zamasu style. These two places are separate dimensions from each other, just like most mirror worlds.

 

[RadicalMrR]

I wonder what Azzy thinks on this but for now it seems legit.

 

[ArbitraryNumbers]

I support this upgrade.

If there's this many Tier 3 feats, then it's not an outlier.

 

[Omni-everything]

i support yer upgrade howard

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

It seems legit. But I am like Prom and Ryu as in I am unsure as of now.

 

[Cropfist]

We should ask Unclechairma for input.

 

[FTW395]

Ignoring 5-6 3-B/3-A feats would be blatant downplaying, so I agree with this.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Agree with this as well for all reasons above. If higher feats outway a single lesser one then it can't be an outlier.