NNT AP Revision

[ByAsura]

That’s just durability

Escanor can fight people who can harm him.

Also, did you even read the portion where I showed him dealing way more damage than anyone else?

and also SD was using her hax not just punching them.

Hax that only works against physical attacks, and she took them down with lightning blasts.

Why are you said hopping and why are you and one beach insulting me? I may have to take this to the rvr.

Firstly, what do you even mean by this?

Secondly, I said your argument was stupid, not you.

And lastly, that's insanely hypocritical. You've been calling me prideful and delusional throughout this entire thread, not to mention the amount of rants you've made about me in the past. Biased is hardly an insult.

Now, stop stonewalling the hell out of this thread.

Next Meliodas with demon mark is 6a since 400 x2 equals 800 which is 6a

Where? Actually give proof.

 

[speedster352]

Escanor can fight people who can harm him.

Also, did you even read the portion where I showed him dealing way more damage than anyone else?

Hax that only works against physical attacks and lightning blasts.

Firstly, what do you even mean by this.

Secondly, I said your argument was stupid, not you.

And lastly, that's insanely hypocritical. You've been calling me prideful and delusional throughout this entire thread, not to mention the amount of rants you've made about me in the past.

Now, stop stonewalling the hell out of this thread.

Where? Actually give proof.

It’s in this crt your CRT demon mark being a 2x multiplier. Also SD compliments kings attack and was impressed. Also I just said true magic should be 6a as a possibly or likely please can we just compromise I am getting a head ache.

 

[ByAsura]

It’s in this crt your CRT demon mark being a 2x multiplier.

Not that, Post-Purgatory Base Mel being 400 teratons.

Also SD compliments kings attack and was impressed.

And then almost takes him out with a single blast.

You can be impressed by weaker characters.

Also I just said true magic should be 6a as a possibly or likely please can we just compromise I am getting a head ache.

The compromise was already far higher.

There is no other compromise here. It's basically either change the entire scaling system (since that's your logic behind this) or don't.

 

[speedster352]

And lastly, that's insanely hypocritical. You've been calling me prideful and delusional throughout this entire thread, not to mention the amount of rants you've made about me in the past. Biased is hardly an insult.

I was just calling you out I wasn’t trying to insult I even apologized for saying it.

 

[speedster352]

Not that, Post-Purgatory Base Mel being 400 teratons.

He scales above DK Meliodas

 

[ByAsura]

For what reason?

 

[speedster352]

For what reason?

He scales above his prime self in base remember?

 

[ByAsura]

Why does his prime self (Assault Mode I'm assuming) scale to DK Meliodas?

And why does his base scale above (again, I'm assuming) Prime Assault Mode?

 

[Makai641001]

I just remembered something that we discussed in a past thread.

Tristan's power had been boosted more than ever due to the power of Hope. It then climbs to a much greater height during the Meland fight, and Percival and Tristan can knock each other out by accident.

After that, Percival's abilities grew even more, but he was only able to breech/crack Meland's armour with a Destroyer amp. At which point Meland proceeds to stomp Percy.

So, Percy > 20 teratons, and 200 teratons with Destroyer, but he can only deal moderate damage.

Berserk Demon Tristan tore Meland to pieces.

BDT > 200 teratons.

Then there's the Arthur and FC scaling.

Basically, Arthur launched an attack at Demon Tristan to take him down, and Meliodas FC'd it without dealing even the slightest damage to Arthur.

Base Meliodas alone was way stronger than Demon Tristan and portrayed as capable of dealing damage to Arthur and somewhat fighting him.

4KoA Base Mel > 400 teratons.

He then goes into 2nd Mark, and they have a mostly even bout.

2nd Mark > 1.6 petatons.

With Destroyer, that'd rise to 16 petatons.

Makes sense

 

[speedster352]

Why does his prime self (Assault Mode I'm assuming) scale to DK Meliodas?

And why does his base scale above (again, I'm assuming) Prime Assault Mode?

See circular scaling. Anyway even if post purgatory Meliodas base is half of 50 percent DK that would still mean 200 x2 x 2 would be 800 which is still 6a these are just the demon mark multipliers that are accepted.

 

[speedster352]

Escanor can fight people who can harm him.

Also, did you even read the portion where I showed him dealing way more damage than anyone else?

Hax that only works against physical attacks, and she took them down with lightning blasts.

Firstly, what do you even mean by this?

Secondly, I said your argument was stupid, not you.

And lastly, that's insanely hypocritical. You've been calling me prideful and delusional throughout this entire thread, not to mention the amount of rants you've made about me in the past. Biased is hardly an insult.

Now, stop stonewalling the hell out of this thread.

Where? Actually give proof.

Name calling isn’t very professional

 

[speedster352]

Why does his prime self (Assault Mode I'm assuming) scale to DK Meliodas?

And why does his base scale above (again, I'm assuming) Prime Assault Mode?

You said it earlier that base post purgatory Meliodas is stronger than his past self since he needed demon marks to be stronger than Ludoceil and Mael.

 

[KingTempest]

-_-

 

[speedster352]

-_-

He is the mod not me and I didn’t insult I just called him out on some things and even apologized

 

[KingTempest]

His "insults" were damn near nonexistent

And stop threatening to report everybody who doesn't smile at you to the rvr

He didn't insult you not once

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Snip

Objection! That's Head Canon!

 

[speedster352]

His "insults" were damn near nonexistent

And stop threatening to report everybody who doesn't smile at you to the rvr

He didn't insult you not once

One beach insulted me

 

[Antvasima]

Can you write a summary post of what you need me to evaluate please, ByAsura?

Also, speedster352, to be blunt, you suffered severe physical trauma recently, including a concussion, and are not at all in a good state of mind, which causes you to be an unreasonable argumentative problem for other members in multiple threads, and also unnecessarily stress yourself out when you should calm down and recover.

 

[speedster352]

Also, speedster352, to be blunt, you suffered severe physical trauma recently, including a concussion, and are not at all in a good state of mind, which causes you to be an unreasonable argumentative problem for other members in multiple threads, and also unnecessarily stress yourself out when you should calm down and recover.

My apologies like I said before I will take a break.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you. Please try to not watch stressful news or entertainment either for the time being, and only focus on optimistic and harmonic content instead.

 

[Majinere566]

We probably had this discussion before but what is the reason why First Form Demon King Zeldris isn't H6B? He implies that Zeldris' vessel at the beginning wasn't far inferior to Demon King Meliodas as he expected before.

 

[ByAsura]

I'll respond later.

 

[ByAsura]

See circular scaling.

What circular scaling? Please explain.

Anyway even if post purgatory Meliodas base is half of 50 percent DK that would still mean 200 x2 x 2 would be 800 which is still 6a these are just the demon mark multipliers that are accepted.

No he isn't, and that doesn't make sense (at least not until you give any sort of evidence) because it'd make him 2x stronger than 50% SD and comparable to PDK.

You said it earlier that base post purgatory Meliodas is stronger than his past self since he needed demon marks to be stronger than Ludoceil and Mael.

No I didn't. I said he's stronger than his 2nd Mark, which is accurate.

He has no scaling otherwise.

Can you write a summary post of what you need me to evaluate please, ByAsura?

Speed wants to scale the characters to 100% PDK, who's over twice 50% DK, so he can upgrade True Magic and Assault Mode to 6-A. And his logic is based on King being able to harm PDK in one panel with a bladed weapon (plus some Escanor stuff, but I already said my piece about why he's wrong there).

I explained that we already had these arguments before, including in this very thread, and that their ability to actually harm PDK is far more inconsistent than he's letting on.

Plus, the Sins (both with and without weaponry) have been outmatched in terms of AP and durability by 50% DK and 50% Supreme Deity in ways that can't simply be explained as hax. So, I think we should just keep them at the 50% deity level like they are now.

Also, we agreed to keep Assault Mode and True Magic as Higher/Far higher as a compromise already because their exact power levels were extremely vague.

We probably had this discussion before but what is the reason why First Form Demon King Zeldris isn't H6B? He implies that Zeldris' vessel at the beginning wasn't far inferior to Demon King Meliodas as he expected before.

Because he what he said is just far/considerably inferior in terms of sheer performance (and even then, he just said it's 'not bad' compared to Meliodas), and it doesn't take into account that he'd just lost a shit ton of magic power to the point where he was changing form upon absorbing magic and becoming more compatible (something Mel had no issues with due to hibernating).

 

[speedster352]

True Magic and Assault Mode to 6-A.

They should scaling off near Noon Escanor and the UTO Escanor. At least true magic should be likely 6a or possibly 6a. That’s all I will be going back to my break.

 

[ByAsura]

You haven't given an explanation for near-noon, and the explanation for UTO was already debunked earlier in this same thread.

 

[speedster352]

You haven't given an explanation for near-noon, and the explanation for UTO was already debunked earlier in this same thread.

2nd demon mark Meliodas <~Near noon Escanor< Assault mode Meliodas< True magic Meliodas simple. AM blitz UTO Escanor and did damage to PDK so Am Meliodas deserves 6a or at least true magic as a possibly or likely. Let’s see what ant thinks about this. Again this is my last post.

Can you write a summary post of what you need me to evaluate please, ByAsura?

Also True magic Meliodas scales far above a character at half power wouldn’t that mean he can possibly scale to his full power? Byashura just doesn’t want to make Meliodas 6a

 

[ByAsura]

2nd demon mark Meliodas <~Near noon Escanor< Assault mode Meliodas< True magic Meliodas simple. AM blitz UTO Escanor and did damage to PDK so Am Meliodas deserves 6a or at least true magic as a possibly or likely. Let’s see what ant thinks about this. Again this is my last post.

But that's completely wrong. Near-Noon Escanor could actually do damage to PDK, while 2nd Meliodas couldn't even scratch him even with Lostvayne. He's way stronger than Mel, simple.

Again, we've already been over why this UTO stuff wrong in the thread itself, and you've brought up nothing new since that argument.

 

[speedster352]

But that's completely wrong. Near-Noon Escanor could actually do damage to PDK, while 2nd Meliodas couldn't even scratch him even with Lostvayne. He's way stronger than Mel, simple.

Again, we've already been over why this UTO stuff wrong in the thread itself, and you've brought up nothing new since that argument.

AM Meliodas does damage to PDK with the rest of the sins even Zeldris believe Meliodas will win and the PDK says damn you Meliodas meaning that Meliodas damaged him. He was blitz hence the exclamation mark he keeps up later because Meliodas slows down he is still the first in the charge aganst the PDK showing he has the speed and strength advantage. You can say all you want but True magic Meliodas needs to be 6a as likely or possibly scaling to 100 percent DK based off Zeldris statement. It would be head canon just to put higher for your own sake.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

He was blitz hence the exclamation mark he keeps up later because Meliodas slows down he is still the first in the charge aganst the PDK showing he has the speed and strength advantage.

Being Faster ≠ Stronger

There's also the fact that AM Meliodas was flying compared to UTO Escanor who was either running or leaping towards PDK Zeldris

Travel Speed ≠ Strength

 

[ByAsura]

AM Meliodas does damage to PDK with the rest of the sins

Emphasis on with the rest of the sins, which includes Escanor, who can harm PDK quite heavily.

even Zeldris beloved Meliodas will win and the PDK says damn you Meliodas meaning that Meliodas damaged him.

That never happened.

Edit: You mean this? He says Meliodas' emotions, referring to their previous fight in the mental world over possession of Meliodas' body.

He was blitz hence the exclamation mark

There was no exclamation mark, there was a star-like symbol to indicate that he was surprised. This also happens when characters come to realisations.

he keeps up later because Meliodas slows down he is still the first in the charge aganst the PDK showing he has the speed and strength advantage.

Escanor was still at a level of speed lower than the rest of the Sins at the time, so this is irrelevant.

You can say all you want but True magic Meliodas needs to be 6a as likely or possibly scaling to 100 percent DK based off Zeldris statement.

I already explained the Zeldris statement.

It would be head canon just to put higher for your own sake.

Head canon is believing that Zeldris was referring to True Magic when he's completely surprised that Meliodas could even use True Magic at that power level, or really at all.

 

[speedster352]

Being Faster ≠ Stronger

There's also the fact that AM Meliodas was flying compared to UTO Escanor who was either running or leaping towards PDK Zeldris

Travel Speed ≠ Strength

Meliodas still damage PDK is assault mode way better than before who could damage him at all next true magic far surpasses this so at the very least AM or/and True magic should be 6a as likely or possible or just full rating.

Emphasis on with the rest of the sins, which includes Escanor, who can harm PDK quite heavily.

That never happened.

There was no exclamation mark, there was a star-like symbol to indicate that he was surprised. This also happens when characters come to realisations.

Escanor was still at a level of speed lower than the rest of the Sins at the time, so this is irrelevant.

I already explained the Zeldris statement.

Head canon is believing that Zeldris was referring to True Magic when he's completely surprised that Meliodas could even use True Magic at that power level, or really at all.

It doesn’t matter the best bet is to scale true magic to 6a as likely or possibly end of dicussion. I am unfollowing by the way. Way to much bias here

 

[ByAsura]

If it's that vague, the best bet is higher or far higher, which I already have. I'm literally not saying he is or isn't as strong/stronger than PDK in those forms, and only 2nd Mark (something that's objectively weaker if you read the manga) is stated to be weaker in the new scaling.

Given your behaviour in versus threads, it's very apparent that the bias is all on you.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Meliodas still damage PDK is assault mode way better than before

Yet we never see AM Meliodas damage PDK Zeldris by himself, it's always together with UTO Escanor, the one who's been doing much of the damage, and the rest of the Sins.

It doesn’t matter the best bet is to scale true magic to 6a as likely or possibly end of dicussion.

Best for you maybe since you're arrogant and ignorant.

I am unfollowing by the way. Way to much bias here

Good get your bias away from this CRT.

 

[speedster352]

If it's that vague, the best bet is higher or far higher, which I already have. I'm literally not saying he is or isn't as strong/stronger than PDK in those forms, and only 2nd Mark (something that's objectively weaker if you read the manga) is stated to be weaker in the new scaling.

Given your behaviour in versus threads, it's very apparent that the bias is all on you.

Quick question what ap value does post purgatory Meliodas scale in base?

 

[ByAsura]

Over 100 teratons.

 

[speedster352]

Over 100 teratons.

Good so 4x that is 400 teratons which scales to the dieties. Also why 100 teratons? He is stronger than his prime self in base he should at least be 200. Anyway since he scales to the half diestiss with second demon mark AM and true magic will make him comprable to the full power dieties so likely 6a can work. Please just think about this.

 

[ByAsura]

He scales below the 50% deities, they just have similar values because they scale to one character.

Via downscaling from his own Demon Mark, which was agreed to be 4x.

No. Prime 2nd Mark is just 82.44 teratons.

Higher/far higher is already sufficient with the evidence.

 

[speedster352]

He scales below the 50% deities, they just have similar values because they scale to one character.

Via downscaling from his own Demon Mark, which was agreed to be 4x.

No he isn't. Prime 2nd Mark is just 82.44 teratons.

Higher/far higher is already sufficient with the evidence.

Yeah but unlocking his true magic made him obliterate the Dk arm in base just as his soul since his body is still in the real world. That’s way better than his past self. Are your forgetting how strong Meliodas was when he absorbed the 10 commandments? No that’s not enough it’s just to make yourself feel better. We need to ask the mods about this. Should Meliodas be 6a as possibly or likely. Zeldris and the rest sensed DK Britannia the whole of Britannia did so it’s safe to say he was referring to DK Britannia when referring to Meliodas true magic and even says well beyond it and the raws say
Actualy いや can be written 弥 And mean extremely which would translate to something like « extremely/Very beyond » beyond = 以上

I'll respond later.

What’s your stance on this?

 

[speedster352]

Can you write a summary post of what you need me to evaluate please, ByAsura?

Yeah but unlocking his true magic made him obliterate the Dk arm in base just as his soul since his body is still in the real world. That’s way better than his past self. Are your forgetting how strong Meliodas was when he absorbed the 10 commandments? No that’s not enough it’s just to make yourself feel better. We need to ask the mods about this. Should Meliodas be 6a as possibly or likely. Zeldris and the rest sensed DK Britannia the whole of Britannia did so it’s safe to say he was referring to DK Britannia when referring to Meliodas true magic and even says well beyond it and the raws say
Actualy いや can be written 弥 And mean extremely which would translate to something like « extremely/Very beyond » beyond = 以上

What’s your stance on this?

What’s your stance on this?

 

[ByAsura]

Yeah but unlocking his true magic made him obliterate the Dk arm in base just as his soul since his body is still in the real world.

Cool, so that's just stronger than his 2nd Mark and 50% DK to some extent, hence the far higher.

That’s way better than his past self.

Even with Assault Mode, his past self only reaches to about 2nd Mark Meliodas in terms of AP value, so again, still just stronger than his 2nd Mark and 50% DK to some extent.

Are your forgetting how strong Meliodas was when he absorbed the 10 commandments?

Equal to Ban, who was stomped by 50% DK and Wild (someone that 50% DK was wrecking with a finger).

No that’s not enough it’s just to make yourself feel better.

What about that would make me feel better? If anything it makes me feel worse because I know that I'm going to have to put up with this stonewalling for another 6 months.

Also, why do you even think that I'd feel better because of ratings on a wiki about fictional characters?

We need to ask the mods about this.

Already did.

Should Meliodas be 6a as possibly or likely. Zeldris and the rest sensed DK Britannia the whole of Britannia did so it’s safe to say he was referring to DK Britannia when referring to Meliodas true magic and even says well beyond it and the raws say
Actualy いや can be written 弥 And mean extremely which would translate to something like « extremely/Very beyond » beyond = 以上

For ****'s sake, we've been over this already. Like several times these past few days.

Zeldris had no idea about True Magic's level of power or that Meliodas was going to use it, and the form of DK he was referring to isn't at all stated. What about this is so complicated?