NNT AP Revision

[ByAsura]

Literally never stated.

Occam's razor suggests you shouldn't apply shit without even a single grain of tangible evidence.

Mate, I already showed you the ******* scan where Zeldris says he has no idea that Meliodas was going to use True Magic.

 

[speedster352]

Literally never stated.

Occam's razor suggests you shouldn't apply shit without even a single grain of tangible evidence.

Mate, I already showed you the ******* scan where Zeldris says he has no idea that Meliodas was going to use True Magic.

Meliodas should upscales from his fellow sins Here Here Here Here Here most of them deserve 6a the scans say so.

 

[ByAsura]

More debunked arguments, that even you agreed were wrong, I see.

 

[speedster352]

More debunked arguments, that even you agreed were wrong, I see.

Proof? And don’t tell you head canon the scans. the scans are legit and Merlin and the other sins could lightly damage PDK whereas AM slashed him and True magic is way above that for that he should be likely 6a or possibly 6a with true magic. That’s what has to happen.

 

[ByAsura]

I'm not going to respond because I, Hurricane, and everyone has responded to that bullshit a billion times. Stop wasting time by rehashing the exact same arguments with no new evidence.

Especially since you left out a scan where Meliodas absolutely fails to damage PDK even with ******* Lostvayne.

 

[Deceived3596]

Speedster's gonna cause Asura to pop a blood vessel ong.

 

[speedster352]

I'm not going to respond because I, Hurricane, and everyone has responded to that bullshit a billion times. Stop wasting time by rehashing the exact same arguments with no new evidence.

Especially since you left out a scan where Meliodas absolutely fails to damage PDK even with ******* Lostvayne.

Again I need proof of this since I don’t remember. That doesn’t matter Merlin<king<Meliodas and Merlin and king lightly damaged PDK so at the very least Meliodas should be 6a in Am or true magic at least as likely or possibly since his AM has relatively to UTO for blitzing him multiple times and in their final attack he was shown in the front at a distance from the other sins clearly having a speed and ap advantage and durability advantage.

Speedster's gonna cause Asura to pop a blood vessel ong.

What are your thoughts on this? We have a character stated to far surpasse a character but we just keep it vague. When we have scans of the character scaling to PDK and upscaling from his fellow sins.

 

[Majinere566]

Since when was blitzing = meaning they're relative in strength?

 

[Deceived3596]

What are your thoughts on this? We have a character stated to far surpasse a character but we just keep it vague. When we have scans of the character scaling to PDK and upscaling from his fellow sins.

I'm completely neutral on this topic because i deadass have no idea what you guys are talking about rn.

 

[speedster352]

Since when was blitzing = meaning they're relative in strength?

When Meliodas is faster he gets stronger as shown when he blitz hunter fest ban and one shotted him and Meliodas blitzing Galand and beating him extremely badly.

 

[ByAsura]

I will later.

Not going to respond to the AM shit. I already did that earlier in this thread, and you've given nothing new.

Merlin did extremely light damage, to the point where it's not visible or really stated. That doesn't mean she scales 1:1.

Also, Escanor was weaker than him Near-Noon and he could still damage him quite extensively.

 

[speedster352]

I will later.

Not going to respond to the AM shit. I already did that earlier in this thread, and you've given nothing new.

Merlin did extremely light damage, to the point where it's not visible or really stated. That doesn't mean she scales 1:1.

Also, Escanor was weaker than him Near-Noon and he could still damage him quite extensively.

Doesn’t matter Meliodas still upscales.

 

[ByAsura]

Doesn't matter since your proof of that is dogshit and has been debunked a thousand times over.

Yet you still insist on giving the exact same argument.

 

[speedster352]

I will later.

Not going to respond to the AM shit. I already did that earlier in this thread, and you've given nothing new.

Merlin did extremely light damage, to the point where it's not visible or really stated. That doesn't mean she scales 1:1.

Also, Escanor was weaker than him Near-Noon and he could still damage him quite extensively.

He looked very annoyed and unsheathed his sword and the other sins were impressed too. So that’s still a feat and like I said Meliodas still upscales massively above this.

 

[ByAsura]

Merlin and Elizabeth literally just pulled a switcheroo on him that bypassed Ruler. Him being damaged had nothing to do with it.

Plus, looking a bit miffed after being hit means nothing even without that context.

 

[speedster352]

I will later.

Not going to respond to the AM shit. I already did that earlier in this thread, and you've given nothing new.

Merlin did extremely light damage, to the point where it's not visible or really stated. That doesn't mean she scales 1:1.

Also, Escanor was weaker than him Near-Noon and he could still damage him quite extensively.

Also the sins tanked an attack from PDK which was meant to kill them(he wasn’t holding back at all) shouldn’t that make their durability 6a?

Merlin literally just pulled a switcheroo on him that bypassed Ruler. Him being damaged had nothing to do with it.

He still got hit Here

 

[speedster352]

Merlin and Elizabeth literally just pulled a switcheroo on him that bypassed Ruler. Him being damaged had nothing to do with it.

Plus, looking a bit miffed after being hit means nothing even without that context.

This is simple just upscale Meliodas from his fellow sins then he will reach 6a problem solved.

 

[Deceived3596]

Lightly damaging someone isn't evidence for upscaling at all. The very fact that Merlin did next to no damage against PDK is proof within itself that Merlin doesn't upscale since she would've needed to damage him much more than what she actually did. You can be massively weaker than someone but still "damage" them somewhat, like giving them light scratches. Which is what Merlin seemingly did.

 

[speedster352]

Lightly damaging someone isn't evidence for upscaling at all. The very fact that Merlin did next to no damage against PDK is proof within itself that Merlin doesn't upscale since she would've needed to damage him much more than what she actually did. You can be massively weaker than someone but still "damage" them somewhat, like giving them light scratches. Which is what Merlin seemingly did.

The sins were impressed and it annoyed PDK and Meliodas scales above near moon escanor who was damaging PDK.

Meliodas should upscales from his fellow sins Here Here Here Here Here most of them deserve 6a the scans say so.

Here are my other scans

 

[ByAsura]

Also the sins tanked an attack from PDK which was meant to kill them(he wasn’t holding back at all) shouldn’t that make their durability 6a?

You mean all 3 of them, including Ban who was weaker than 50% DK, got hit simultaneously by the same attack and still took moderate damage.

He still got hit Here

Getting hit is my argument

 

[speedster352]

You mean all 3 of them, including Ban who was weaker than 50% DK, got hit simultaneously by the same attack and still took moderate damage.

Getting hit is my argument

Ban has weapon against PDK that’s why he did so much better. You know how much weapons amp people. Here this is concrete enough to scales ban and king to 6a and Meliodas to 6a too.

Lightly damaging someone isn't evidence for upscaling at all. The very fact that Merlin did next to no damage against PDK is proof within itself that Merlin doesn't upscale since she would've needed to damage him much more than what she actually did. You can be massively weaker than someone but still "damage" them somewhat, like giving them light scratches. Which is what Merlin seemingly did.

 

[Deceived3596]

The sins were impressed and it annoyed PDK

Isn't proof of upscaling either, annoyance has nothing to do with strength inherently, unless you believe a fly constantly annoying you is evidence that flies are comparable in strength to humans.

Meliodas scales above near moon escanor who was damaging PDK

Proof of that version of Meliodas scaling above that version of Esconar?

 

[ByAsura]

Weapons don't amp durability, they amp strength.

It's hardly concrete when you show the scans right before.

 

[speedster352]

Ban has weapon against PDK that’s why he did so much better. You know how much weapons amp people. Here this is concrete enough to scales ban and king to 6a and Meliodas to 6a too.

Weapons don't amp durability, they amp strength.

It's hardly concrete when you show the scans right before.

Isn't proof of upscaling either, annoyance has nothing to do with strength inherently, unless you believe a fly constantly annoying you is evidence that flies are comparable in strength to humans.


Proof of that version of Meliodas scaling above that version of Esconar?

True magic Meliodas scales far above AM scales to at the very least.

 

[speedster352]

No problem.

We have characters harming a 6a character her shouldn’t they scale and shouldn’t a stronger character upscale? Byashura says otherwise. Here thoughts?

 

[speedster352]

Weapons don't amp durability, they amp strength.

It's hardly concrete when you show the scans right before.

Give demon king likely far higher simple

 

[speedster352]

Isn't proof of upscaling either, annoyance has nothing to do with strength inherently, unless you believe a fly constantly annoying you is evidence that flies are comparable in strength to humans.


Proof of that version of Meliodas scaling above that version of Esconar?

AM Meliodas blitz the UTO Escanor multiple times.

Weapons don't amp durability, they amp strength.

It's hardly concrete when you show the scans right before.

Also in nnt you need to be at least 2x someone speed to blitz them o that means 2x amp for AM or just use the perfect cube FC attack scaling.

 

[Deceived3596]

True magic Meliodas scales far above AM scales to at the very least.

Asura's Sandbox literally scales TM Meliodas > AM Meliodas, so yes.

We have characters harming a 6a character her shouldn’t they scale and shouldn’t a stronger character upscale? Byashura says otherwise. Here thoughts?

Only Britannia Fused DK is 6-A and the sins were only able to harm him after their fused attack got massively amped by Full Counter. They don't scale to 6-A in pure physicals because they don't have the feats or scaling, simple as.

AM Meliodas blitz the UTO Escanor multiple times.

Doesn't prove AM Meliodas > UTO Escanor interms of AP, only proves speed.

 

[speedster352]

Asura's Sandbox literally scales TM Meliodas > AM Meliodas, so yes.


Only Britannia Fused DK is 6-A and the sins were only able to harm him after their fused attack got massively amped by Full Counter. They don't scale to 6-A in pure physicals because they don't have the feats or scaling, simple as.


Doesn't prove AM Meliodas > UTO Escanor interms of AP, only proves speed.

Meliodas consistently damages PDK and he also upscales form his friends that did this. Here

Demon King​

Original Body

Attack Potency: Continent level (Twice as strongas his weakened state[1]), up to Multi-Continent level with magic-imbued weaponry (Can imbue weaponry with the power of darkness, which is a form of Destroyer magic that enhances the destructive power of a weapon nearly 10-fold[2]) | At least Large Country level (Cannot stay in the world, as his power off-sets the balance of the world and generates anomalies, such as tornadoes and tsunami[3]. Consistently stomped Post-Purgatory Banand Wild[4][5][6][7]. Comparable to Supreme Deity[8]. Far stronger than Prime Assault Mode Meliodas and Original Demon), up to at least Continent level+ with magic-imbued weaponry

Durability: Continent level | At least Large Country level

Meliodas' Body

Attack Potency: At least Large Country level(Inflicted far more damage onto Zeldris[9] than The One Escanor)

Durability: At least Large Country level

Zeldris' Body

Attack Potency: At least Country level+ (Claimed his performance wasn't immensely inferior to Meliodas Demon King[10], though he lost a considerable amount of magic power[11]. Should be stronger than Zeldris, and superior to Chimera Indura, whom he summoned as a mere distraction[10]), Higher in his 2nd Form (Stomped Base Post-Purgatory Meliodas[12]). Continent level at Full Power (Obtained the power of his youth and should be stronger than his 100% power[13]), up to Multi-Continent level with magic-imbued weaponry

Durability: At least Country level+, Higher in his 2nd Form (Tanked Base Post-Purgatory Meliodas' punch[12]). Continent level at Full Power

Possessing Britannia

Attack Potency: Continent level (Implied to be much stronger than Demon King Zeldris[14]. Briefly stopped the Sins' combo attack even after Gowther disabled his magic[15])

Durability: Unknown (Doesn't appear to be particularly durable due to his composition. However, he easily weathered an attack from a weakened The Ultimate One Escanor[15])

 

[Deceived3596]

Meliodas consistently damages PDK and he also upscales form his friends that did this. Here

Demon King only has Large Country Durability, so damaging him would only give you Large Country AP. That isn't proof for 6-A sins, it's direct anti-proof for 6-A sins since they can barely damage someone with Large Country Durability.

 

[speedster352]

Dude Dk in Zeldris body has 6a Durability they scales end of discussion Meliodas scale above this.

Demon King only has Large Country Durability, so damaging him would only give you Large Country AP. That isn't proof for 6-A sins, it's direct anti-proof for 6-A sins since they can barely damage someone with Large Country Durability.

Zeldris' Body

Attack Potency: At least Country level+(Claimed his performance wasn't immensely inferior to Meliodas Demon King[10], though he lost a considerable amount of magic power[11]. Should be stronger than Zeldris, and superior to Chimera Indura, whom he summoned as a mere distraction[10]), Higherin his 2nd Form (Stomped Base Post-Purgatory Meliodas[12]). Continent level at Full Power (Obtained the power of his youthand should be stronger than his 100% power[13]), up to Multi-Continent level with magic-imbued weaponry

Durability: At least Country level+, Higher in his 2nd Form (Tanked Base Post-Purgatory Meliodas' punch[12]). Continent level at Full Power

 

[Majinere566]

Byasura probably just updated that so Decevied probably didn't see that

 

[Deceived3596]

Dude Dk in Zeldris body has 6a Durability they scales end of discussion Meliodas scale above this.

Deadass didn't even see that ngl.

My previous points still stands, you haven't proved why Meliodas scales above that version of Escanor, and i also explained why slightly damaging someone isn't proof for upscaling either.

Until you can prove why Meliodas should scale above that version of Escanor, he doesn't get a 6-A Tier for that key.

 

[Deceived3596]

Byasura probably just updated that so Decevied probably didn't see that

Asura really do be ratio'ing me with these changes ong.

 

[speedster352]

Meliodas consistently damages PDK and he also upscales form his friends that did this. Here

Deadass didn't even see that ngl.

My previous points still stands, you haven't proved why Meliodas scales above that version of Escanor, and i also explained why slightly damaging someone isn't proof for upscaling either.

Until you can prove why Meliodas should scale above that version of Escanor, he doesn't get a 6-A Tier for that key.

King and ban damage DK zeldris very badly and byashura himself admits that AM and true magic is way higher so there that’s why Meliodas should be 6a. Here also stop cherry picking points and said hopping.

 

[Majinere566]

I don't know if this is a good example, but wouldn't clashing like this and this warrant a 6-A rating(although he got overpowered he was still holding his own for a bit)

 

[Deceived3596]

King and ban damage DK zeldris very badly

Evidence that King and Ban badly damaged Full Power DKZ? since that's the version which is 6-A, not just DKZ in general. Who is only 6-B in his previous key.

byashura himself admits that AM and true magic is way higher so there that’s why Meliodas should be 6a

I heavily doubt it was in the context of Full Power DKZ, because if he did admit that then AM Meliodas and TM Meliodas would already be 6-A on the sandbox, and you guys wouldn't be having this massive debate about this specific topic. Just sounds like you either misinterpreted what Asura said or you're blatantly lying.

Here also stop cherry picking points and said hopping.

Real.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

King and ban damage DK zeldris very badly and byashura himself admits that AM and true magic is way higher so there that’s why Meliodas should be 6a. Here also stop cherry picking points and said hopping.

The fact that you keep using scans that I and ByAsura already debunked in the NNT General Discussion really shows how much you don't listen to a word we say.

 

[ByAsura]

I don't know if this is a good example, but wouldn't clashing like this and this warrant a 6-A rating(although he got overpowered he was still holding his own for a bit)

DK was casual as hell, wanted to test Ruler later and tanking his attacks with 0 damage. He proceeds to fight Mel, Ban, Escanor and King together.

 

[ByAsura]

King and ban damage DK zeldris very badly and byashura himself admits that AM and true magic is way higher so there that’s why Meliodas should be 6a. Here also stop cherry picking points and said hopping.

Far higher =/= direct scaling.

Ban never really damaged PDK. They even make it a point to show that.

Again, that's out of context. DK is already heavily damaged, and King's attacks (the projectiles) reach him after that blood is thrown up.