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NNT AP Revision

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Is it blood that King sprayed Here cause the panel after shows 3 times were blood were spilled after King Ban and Escanor attack so i genuinely ask myself if it’s blood
 
I'm not talking about that one, I'm talking about the other panel.

That is genuinely King cutting PDK with a bladed weapon.
 
ByAsura said:
I'm not talking about that one, I'm talking about the other panel.

That is genuinely King cutting PDK with a bladed weapon.
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Bladed doesn’t matter it was still damage. You haven’t debunked anything just used head canon. The sins damaged DK zeldris full power so they scale and Meliodas scales above this period. Meliodas needs to be 6a
 
Bladed weapon over a small area does matter, especially since he couldn't damage PDK otherwise.

Ban didn't do damage, Escanor already scales, Merlin didn't really do shit, and you have yet to provide anything substantial/hasn't been debunked already about Meliodas (who may or may not have made tiny scratches with a sacred treasure in Assault Mode) scaling to Escanor.

Meliodas does not need to be 6-A. You need to stop slowing down this thread with recycled arguments.
 
You haven’t debunked anything just used head canon.
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Let's see,

• Insulting (Users, Franchises, Site, etc.) ❎
• Accusing (Bias, Double Standards, Head Canon, etc.) ☑️
• Spamming (Posts, Arguments, Messages, etc.) ☑️
• Stonewalling (Points, Threads, Topics, etc.) ☑️
 
ByAsura said:
Bladed weapon over a small area does matter, especially since he couldn't damage PDK otherwise.

Ban didn't do damage, Escanor already scales, Merlin didn't really do shit, and you have yet to provide anything substantial/hasn't been debunked already about Meliodas (who may or may not have made tiny scratches with a sacred treasure in Assault Mode) scaling to Escanor.

Meliodas does not need to be 6-A. You need to stop slowing down this thread with recycled arguments.
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That’s head canon. The sins damaged PDK and Meliodas scales to an above with assault mode and true magic and needs to be 6a this end of discussion.
 
That's stonewalling. You don't actually have a convincing argument, so you're trying to bullshit me into submission.
 
Question, Speedster would like to have a CRT Ban on top of your Versus Thread Ban? Because this is how a person gets a Banned from a Thread.

Spamming and Stonewalling with Repetitive Debunked Arguments, and repeatedly Accusing Users and Mods of Head Canon.
 
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That's stonewalling. You don't actually have a convincing argument, so you're trying to bullshit me into submission.
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The sins damaged PDK consistently
Next they take a magic attack from PDK. AM Meliodas blitzs UTO Escanor and is also stronger than his fellow sins.
Lastly true magic is far stronger than this including UTO.
With these arguments I think Meliodas needs to be 6a in AM or true magic as a likely or possibly.
 
Already addressed all of those, especially since the Sins don't damage PDK very consistently. I will prove this later.

Why is true magic far stronger than UTO?
 
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Already addressed all of those, especially since the Sins don't damage PDK very consistently. I will prove this later.

Why is true magic far stronger than UTO?
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Because AM is comparable. With all due respect you been straw man my arguments using your own ideas and then try to vilify me to justify yourself. Since your a mod you will most likely get away with it.
 
An already debunked argument.

How the **** am I straw manning your arguments?

I'm not vilifying you, it's just insanely annoying to have to repeat this same argument 90 times over, including in this thread.
 
Since you love bringing up that list of fake ass feats, I'll bring up some real ass anti-feats.

PDK overwhelms Mel without even trying.

PDK isn't even scratched by lostvayne. This is inspite of the fact that PDK can harm opponents who can hurt him.

Elizabeth all but says he doesn't stand a chance alone.

Ban, King and Meliodas struggle to stop his air slashes.

PDK shatters pollen garden with a few slashes.

Ban's kick and King's increase do nothing.

PDK is undamaged while King is throwing more projectiles at him, all while simultaneously holding off Escanor and Ban.

A combo and concerted attack from Ban, King and Escanor deals only the lightest damage, while a single attack from him damages all 3 of them far more heavily.

So, feats where they can only lightly damage PDK are equally or even more consistent than them (barring Escanor) severely damaging PDK.

Them being 50% of PDK is perfectly reasonable, even when they damage him. Weaker characters can damage much stronger ones.
 
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Since you love bringing up that list of fake ass feats, I'll bring up some real ass anti-feats.

PDK overwhelms Mel without even trying.

PDK isn't even scratched by lostvayne. This is inspite of the fact that PDK can harm opponents who can hurt him.

Elizabeth all but says he doesn't stand a chance alone.

Ban, King and Meliodas struggle to stop his air slashes.

PDK shatters pollen garden with a few slashes.

Ban's kick and King's increase do nothing.

PDK is undamaged while King is throwing more projectiles at him, all while simultaneously holding off Escanor and Ban.

A combo and concerted attack from Ban, King and Escanor deal only the lightest damage, while a single attack from him damages all 3 of them far more heavily.

Them being 50% of PDK is perfectly reasonable, even when they damage him. Weaker characters can damage much stronger ones.
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That’s fine but AM and true magic should be 6a. Scaling way above this. Why are you ignoring the scans when king and ban make him bleed consistently? Don’t bring the blades weapon nonsense that’s straw man. King fights with a bladed weapon so his scales same for ban.
 
I'm not ignoring them, I've been explaining why they're bullshit this whole time. This just adds onto that.

Ban. never. damages. PDK. heavily. He consistently does the exact opposite, in fact.

Literally the only instance where King harms him is this singular scan, and he can't do so on any other occasion (including, and especially, that other scan you were parading around, where King only gets to PDK after the blood splashes). So don't try that non-sense on me, especially since you still don't know what a strawman is after all this time.

The fact that King uses bladed weaponry is meaningless. Strength of magic and the ability to resist force is what we're on about.
 
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I'm not ignoring them, I've been explaining why they're bullshit this whole time. This just adds onto that.

Ban. never. damages. PDK. He consistently does the exact opposite, in fact.

Literally the only instance where King harms him is this singular scan, and he can't do so on any other occasion (including, and especially, that other scan you were parading around, where King only gets to PDK after the blood splashes). So don't try that non-sense on me, especially since you still don't know what a strawman is after all this time.

The fact that King uses bladed weaponry is meaningless. Strength of magic and the ability to resist force is what we're on about.
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Stop denying the evidence. They either scales to 6a or just upscale and the Meliodas scales to 6a with Am or true magic. King fights with his spear all his ap feats come from his spear. Harming a character is enough to scale look at the blood loss.
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No problem. 🙏
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Thoughts?
 
Funny how you want me to stop denying the evidence when you're straight up not addressing mine at all, or the convos where we had these exact discussions in the past.

Firstly, no they ******* aren't, the only one on his page that fits your narrative is him wrecking Melascula. Secondly, this is an AP feat, it's just not one that fully scales him to PDK. I already had this in the sandbox.

I did look at the blood loss, it's not enough, and even the likes of Ruin could do that to Meliodas. Fact is, King can't harm him 75% of the time, and Ban/2nd Mark are close to 0%.
 
ByAsura said:
Funny how you want me to stop denying the evidence when you're straight up not addressing mine at all, or the convos where we had these exact discussions in the past.

Firstly, no they ******* don't. Secondly, this is an AP feat, it's just not one that fully scales him to PDK.

I did look at the blood loss, it's not enough, and even the likes of Ruin could do that to Meliodas.
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Why don’t you ask one of your fellow mods what they think? On a side not They took magical attack from PDK and many attacks too king even blocks his darkness to save Diane so their durability scale. You just don’t want to upgrade Meliodas because of your pride. I do apologize but that’s what needs to be said.
 
speedster352 said:
Why don’t you ask one of your fellow mods what they think?
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They're free to give their opinions.
speedster352 said:
On a side not They took magical attack from PDK
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Already addressed this; the 3 of them took a single attack from DK and were each moderately damaged.

I could even use this logic to say that each of them are less than 33% of PDK.
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and many attacks too king even blocks his darkness to save Diane so their durability scale.
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All he did was intercept a blob of darkness that was intended to kill Diane, who's way weaker than almost everyone there. Even if it was a full power shot, I don't at all see why it'd be a feat exactly on par with PDK.
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You just don’t want to upgrade Meliodas because of your pride. I do apologize but that’s what needs to be said.
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Would you **** off with this pride non-sense. You say it every time we're having an argument, and you're no closer to the truth than the first time.

You know what? I think you're just far too prideful to accept that someone disagrees with your arguments, which is why you've had to bring this up 90 million times. Oh, but don't mind me, it just needs to be said.
 
Unfortunately, all he would probably have to say about that is either "I don't remember" or "I forgot" about X discussion, or reply with another accusation.
 
ByAsura said:
They're free to give their opinions.

Already addressed this; the 3 of them took a single attack from DK and were each moderately damaged.

I could even use this logic to say that each of them are less than 33% of PDK.

All he did was intercept a blob of darkness that was intended to kill Diane, who's way weaker than almost everyone there. Even if it was a full power shot, I don't at all see why it'd be a feat exactly on par with PDK.

Would you **** off with this pride non-sense. You say it every time we're having an argument, and you're no closer to the truth than the first time.

You know what? I think you're just far too prideful to accept that someone disagrees with your arguments, which is why you've had to bring this up 90 million times. Oh, but don't mind me, it just needs to be said.
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The sins can scale to near moon Escanor who is 6a AM and true magic should scale to near moon Escanor Consistently damaged Full Power. The sins do damage PDK but you just want to ignore that and say it was debunked but that was only head canon of a lack of a better term. So you just upscales near moon Escanor but not the sins? How is that fair?
 
Yes, Escanor does scale directly to PDK, but only Escanor, who took his sword slash without any damage.

Oh my god, just read the past discussion and the arguments I made here. I addressed your arguments in both.

Because Escanor did way more damage way more consistently than them, and outright traded blows with PDK.
 
OneBleachHurricane said:
Unfortunately, all he would probably have to say about that is either "I don't remember" or "I forgot" about X discussion, or reply with another accusation.
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Always pointing out what I do wrong and taking the mods side as always. I don’t really care anymore I just need these upgrades applied so I can finally leave this website.
 
ByAsura said:
Yes, Escanor does scale directly to PDK, but only Escanor, who took his sword slash without any damage.

Oh my god, just read the past discussion and the arguments I made here. I addressed your arguments in both.

Because Escanor did way more damage way more consistently than them, and outright traded blows with PDK.
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That should scale to the sins. This is favouritism they scale to near moon Escanor. Meliodas scales above this so he should be 6a at least likely or possibly end of discussion.
 
It's not favouritism. Make sure to actually read the arguments this time, thank you.

No end of discussion. The end of discussion is that you don't need to be 1:1 with someone to make a blood spray with a bladed weapon less than 25% of the time, and have the shit kicked out of you 90%.
 
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It's not favouritism. Make sure to actually read the arguments this time, thank you.

No end of discussion. The end of discussion is that you don't need to be 1:1 with someone to make a blood spray with a bladed weapon less than 25% of the time, and have the shit kicked out of you 90%.
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Doesn’t matter the sinss scale to near noon Escanor. Meliodas scales too he should be 6a in AM or true magic. Period no more discussion.
 
You haven't proven that, it doesn't even make sense, and you've totally ignored my counter-arguments.

Stop with this no more discussion shit. People are allowed to disagree with you.

Did I ever tell you what the definition of insanity is? Insanity is doing the exact... same ******* thing... over and over again expecting... shit to change...
 
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You haven't proven that, it doesn't even make sense, and you've totally ignored my counter-arguments.

Stop with this no more discussion shit. People are allowed to disagree with you.

Did I ever tell you what the definition of insanity is? Insanity is doing the exact... same ******* thing... over and over again expecting... shit to change...
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Just ask your fellow mods what they think of this
 
ByAsura said:
You haven't proven that, it doesn't even make sense, and you've totally ignored my counter-arguments.

Stop with this no more discussion shit. People are allowed to disagree with you.

Did I ever tell you what the definition of insanity is? Insanity is doing the exact... same ******* thing... over and over again expecting... shit to change...
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They took the same day mage as near moon Escanor so they scale in durability too. All this is Meliodas scaling to 6a in durability and ap for scaling above his fellow sins and well beyond DK. Your just refusing to add this because you are in denial.
 
Yet, Escanor also tanks attacks that would have wrecked them (it's even implied that Ban can't withstand a slash from PDK, but Escanor can take shit tons of them), damages him to an extent that was never replicated by anyone (especially Ban and 2nd Mark), and directly trades blows with him to a degree.

But even Escanor is still inferior to PDK, and only matched him as The One.

I'm refusing to add it because it's ******* stupid, now stop being biased. Fact is, portrayal, feats, and statements all put PDK a fair bit above non-The One Escanor, let alone Ban, King and 2nd Mark Meliodas. Hell, the fight between The One and PDK strongly implies that everything they're doing is above the scale of the other characters.

Also, everyone except Meliodas (who needed amps + Zeldris) and Escanor (due to being dead) was powerless against Supreme Deity, who is equal to 50% DK, when it came to both physical and magical attacks.
 
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I just remembered something that we discussed in a past thread.

Percival's power had been boosted more than ever due to the power of Hope. It then climbs to a much greater height during the Meland fight, and Percival and Tristan can knock each other out by accident.

After that, Percival's abilities grew even more, but he was only able to breech/crack Meland's armour with a Destroyer amp. At which point Meland proceeds to stomp Percy.

So, Percy > 20 teratons, and 200 teratons with Destroyer, but he can only deal moderate damage.

Berserk Demon Tristan tore Meland to pieces.

BDT > 200 teratons.

Then there's the Arthur and FC scaling.

Basically, Arthur launched an attack at Demon Tristan to take him down, and Meliodas FC'd it without dealing even the slightest damage to Arthur.

Base Meliodas alone was way stronger than Demon Tristan and portrayed as capable of dealing damage to Arthur and somewhat fighting him.

4KoA Base Mel > 400 teratons.

He then goes into 2nd Mark, and they have a mostly even bout.

2nd Mark > 1.6 petatons.

With Destroyer, that'd rise to 16 petatons.
 
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ByAsura said:
I already explained Escanor.

Mael using a weapon as a kid is meaningless.

Where exactly? And it doesn't matter unless whatever magic he used is confirmed.
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Meliodas post purgatory scales to 400 Teratons in base demon mark 2x so 800 teratons 6a simple Meliodas needs to get to 6a with this or with his true magic.
 
ByAsura said:
Yet, Escanor also tanks attacks that would have wrecked them (it's even implied that Ban can't withstand a slash from PDK, but Escanor can take shit tons of them), damages him to an extent that was never replicated by anyone (especially Ban and 2nd Mark), and directly trades blows with him to a degree.

But even Escanor is still inferior to PDK, and only matched him as The One.

I'm refusing to add it because it's ******* stupid, now stop being biased. Fact is, portrayal, feats, and statements all put PDK a fair bit above non-The One Escanor, let alone Ban, King and 2nd Mark Meliodas. Hell, the fight between The One and PDK strongly implies that everything they're doing is above the scale of the other characters.

Also, everyone except Meliodas (who needed amps + Zeldris) and Escanor (due to being dead) was powerless against Supreme Deity, who is equal to 50% DK, when it came to both physical and magical attacks.
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That’s just durability and also SD was using her hax not just punching them. Why are you said hopping and why are you and one beach insulting me? I may have to take this to the rvr. Next Meliodas with demon mark is 6a since 400 x2 equals 800 which is 6a
 
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