Natsu Dragneel vs. Charizard (This Time, They're Really On Fire!) (Voting Completed)

[Starter_Pack]

Would you like me to just re-do this match with a normal Charizard, then?

 

[Schnee_One]

<More Pokémon vs FT

Oh please for the love of god can we not?

With Natsu? Again. Nonetheless

 

[Starter_Pack]

Just take your medicine and be done with it, Gar. It's gonna happen sooner or later, so we should just get it done now.

 

[The_Calaca]

This happens everytime a revision happens.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

The final forms are becoming High 7-A again s00000

 

[Jackythejack]

okay so I get people complain about Natsu fights but I feel like using a different Fairy Tale character just gets your thread dead

 

[Starter_Pack]

The final forms are becoming High 7-A again s00000

Who said, and where?

 

[HenryWong122]

Natsu and Mega Charizard-X fight for a little bit and then become good firends and Natsu begins his Pokemon journey.

When an At least beats a definite, is when logic goes out the window.

Charizard will probaly win, so even though I want Natsu to win, I'll vote for Charizard.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

That moment when it's explained multiple times to be an AP stomp but people are still voting


reeeeeeeeeeeeee

 

[Starter_Pack]

Would you like me to just re-do this match with a normal Charizard, then?

 

[Jackythejack]

Just do it with a different Fairy Tale character problem solved

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Even normal Final pokemon are going to be massively superior to 1052 megatons or something like that because of the abilities that X2.

 

[Starter_Pack]

Some. That have Abilities such as Huge Power. Like Azumarill.

Charizard doesn't have Huge Power.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

No, I meant like 2nd form pokemons with abilities that 2X and then the 3rd forms > that.

 

[HenryWong122]

No, I meant like 2nd form pokemons with abilities that 2X and then the 3rd forms > that.

Blaze Charizard>Charizard>Blaze Charmeleon>Charmeleon>Blaze Charmander>Charmander.

Blaze, as well as Overgrow • Torrent • Swarm is 1.5x not 2x.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

I see. Well, that's still enough of an AP gap to be a stomp, considering that Charmeleon is around what Natsu is in that chain.

 

[The_Calaca]

A 2x gap isn't a stomp.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Blaze Charizard isn't 2X Normal Charmeleon. Also, Charizard has True Flight.

 

[The_Calaca]

If Charmeleon is 500MT (which is doubtful since I don't think 2nd stage mons should scale to Pupitar) then Blaze Charmeleon is 750MT, then Charizard should be above that but let's say he's 1.5x Blaze Charmeleon so 1.125GT, so Blaze Charizard would be 1.687GT, barely a 3x gap.

I think this isn't that much of a stomp as you make it sound, but I also think this isn't a great idea (and I've made the previous thread with the very same characters).

 

[HenryWong122]

Blaze Charizard isn't 2X Normal Charmeleon. Also, Charizard has True Flight.

Exactly Blaze Charizard is 3x normal Charmeleon.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Yeah, and then you factor in that Charizard can just stay in the air and attack.

 

[HenryWong122]

If Charmeleon is 500MT (which is doubtful since I don't think 2nd stage mons should scale to Pupitar) then Blaze Charmeleon is 750MT, then Charizard should be above that but let's say he's 1.5x Blaze Charmeleon so 1.125GT, so Blaze Charizard would be 1.687GT, barely a 3x gap.
I think this isn't that much of a stomp as you make it sound, but I also think this isn't a great idea (and I've made the previous thread with the very same characters).

Charmeleon is a 1st stage Pokemon like Pupitar so they should scale to each other.

 

[Jimboydejuan12]

Nah im voted Blue Fire FRA.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Right, so even more of an AP stomp.
Pupitar did that and it's fodder compared to Tyranitar who Charizard is comparable to and Mega Charizard makes Charizard fodder.

^
Okay, this is like the third time someone's voted without reading the thread. Seriously.

 

[The_Calaca]

Charmeleon is a 2nd stage Pokemon but I don't think nobody but Pseudo-Legendary 2nd Stage Pokemon should scale to Pupitar but that's what the KM should discuss. Right now he scales so I can't say anything about that.

The difference isn't higher than 5x even if you try to wank Charizard.

Natsu has good range, doesn't he? With great AoE.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

True.

@Starter

Is it sunny enough for Solar Power to activate?

 

[Caleb3429]

True.

@Starter

Is it sunny enough for Solar Power to activate?

I think you mean Solar Beam. And likely no, as it's Mega Charizard Y that has Drought and this is Mega Charizard X.

 

[The_Calaca]

Base Charizard should be used here tho.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Charmeleon doesn't scale to Pupitar. Whether or not he scales to Defog is up to debate, but he doesn't scale to Pupitar. One's 7-A, the other's Low 7-B.

 

[The_Calaca]

Thank you, Cal.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

@Caleb

Solar Power: Charizard's Hidden Ability. The power of Charizard's special attacks increases under harsh sunlight at the cost of some of its health.

 

[Caleb3429]

Base Charizard should be used here tho.

Still no Drought. Regardless, Solar Beam wouldn't be very effective since Natsu uses Fire. Going by Pokémon, Fire>Grass.

 

[The_Calaca]

Solar Power is Charizard's hidden ability. It raises Char's fire attacks at the cost of HP.

Dunno what has Grasa to do with this tbh.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

@Caleb
Solar Power: Charizard's Hidden Ability. The power of Charizard's special attacks increases under harsh sunlight at the cost of some of its health.

The harsh sunlight part makes it sound like the ability can only be activated in those conditions, which is why I'm asking.

 

[Caleb3429]

@Caleb

Solar Power: Charizard's Hidden Ability. The power of Charizard's special attacks increases under harsh sunlight at the cost of some of its health.

Ah. The Charizards I use in-game never have that ability, so that's why I didn't know. But unless he uses Sunny Day, it isn't bright enough for it to work.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Also, if you're going to use Mega Charizard, then switch this to X792 Base Natsu so that their stats are actually comparable.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

@Caleb

You called? ovo

 

[DragonEmperor23]

n o n i

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

What did you think Cal was short for?

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Calphamo