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Nasuverse: Servant Base Stats and Noble Phantasm Conclusion

Antvasima said:
For gods sakes, as I keep repeating, you all need to collaborate with me by writing an easy to understand comprehensive explanation of what needs to be evaluated here, so our staff can efficiently do so.
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I think we already did so?
Expectro2000xxx said:
There are various tier 6 feats so it was changed the calc to what they scale, and because it's showed multiple times that servants aren't overwhelmed most of the times by Noble Phantasms they backscale from that, using for the backscale the case of Lancelot and Gawain. The deatils from the previous 6-A would be handled in other thread to see if they should be downgraded or can continue with their current tier.
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And it was talked the dissatisfaction that Bambu had with the calc of Balmung and Orleans, he said that even though he can understand our point he feel it a bit iffy and thus prefer using other calc, I linked another Low 6-B calc and asked if that one was fine.
 
Mr._Bambu said:
Okay, so, let me try to understand. Even though many other territories are present on the map, besides Orleans, the entire thing is supposed to be the "Orlenas Region" or what have you? Odd, I guess, but if true then that point is moot, yeah.

I remain unclear on how the different text isn't odd. I'd check the image for editing if I knew how to do such a thing.
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The different text is when the guy who telecommunicate with them talk, it's in many part of the chapter, i can't send the chapter like showed above, would you want me to screen different page and send it?
 
Regidian said:
The different text is when the guy who telecommunicate with them talk, it's in many part of the chapter, i can't send the chapter like showed above, would you want me to screen different page and send it?
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I don't think it's necessary, as long he give his thoughts about the calc of Spartacus and the meteor then we can switch to that one if is fine.
 
Mr._Bambu said:
Okay, so, let me try to understand. Even though many other territories are present on the map, besides Orleans, the entire thing is supposed to be the "Orlenas Region" or what have you? Odd, I guess, but if true then that point is moot, yeah.
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Yes, the entirety of a singularity is typically referred to as X region or singularity. Shimosa for instance is called Shimosa, but contains at the least, a few other provinces as stated throughout the story.
 
Odd, then, I guess. I'm inclined to believe you, though, so if I can receive the aforementioned scan of that sort of weird text variation being consistent throughout the manga then I can accept the Low 6-B calc as ostensibly valid.
 
Why not show Bambu all the 15+ different tier 6 calcs we got lol?

I'm not in a position irl to help out though. Irl kicked me hard while I was already down.
 
Mr._Bambu said:
Odd, then, I guess. I'm inclined to believe you, though, so if I can receive the aforementioned scan of that sort of weird text variation being consistent throughout the manga then I can accept the Low 6-B calc as ostensibly valid.
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Some examples
 
My apologies, but you haven't given nearly elaborate and specific enough explanations of what our staff need to do here. Bear in mind that most of them likely barely know of this series.
 
Antvasima said:
My apologies, but you haven't given nearly elaborate and specific enough explanations of what our staff need to do here. Bear in mind that most of them likely barely know of this series.
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We say that the verse was changing tier based in calcs, gave the calcs, Bambu pointed a problem with one of the calcs and it was explained the thing about the problem that he pointed, now is futher explaining that with scans, I also gave other calc of the same tier to see if he prefer using that one or there is also a problem with that.

The thread about changing tier was discussed for more than 11 pages in differents threads, we are literally giving the info reached after all that discussion in the most short and easy way to understand it to others that don't know about Fate.
 
I think we should start applying both the tier and lifting strength?

If it is fine, I can start applying tomorrow, though splitting the work with volunteers would make it faster.

List of profiles:
  1. Alter Ego (Mecha Eli-chan MkII)
  2. Alter Ego (Mecha Eli-chan)
  3. Alter Ego (Okita Alter)
  4. Angelica Ainsworth (L)
  5. Aoko Aozaki (T)
  6. Archer (Anne Bonny and Mary Read)
  7. Archer (Arash)
  8. Archer (Arjuna)
  9. Archer (Artoria)
  10. Archer (Attila)
  11. Archer (Aśvatthāmā)
  12. Archer (Billy the Kid)
  13. Archer (Calamity Jane)
  14. Archer (Chloe von Einzbern)
  15. Archer (David)
  16. Archer (EMIYA Alter) (L)
  17. Archer (Euryale) (L w)
  18. Archer (Fate/Extra) (L)
  19. Archer (Fate/stay night) (L)
  20. Archer (Florence Nightingale)
  21. Archer (Fujino Asagami) (L w)
  22. Archer (Helena Blavatsky)
  23. Archer (Ishtar) (L)
  24. Archer (James Moriarty) (L)
  25. Archer (Nikola Tesla)
  26. Archer (Nobunaga Oda)
  27. Archer (Paris)
  28. Archer (Sei Shonagon)
  29. Archer (Super Orion) (L)
  30. Archer (Tawara Touta)
  31. Archer (Tomoe Gozen)
  32. Archer (Tristan)
  33. Archer of Black (Chiron) (L)
  34. Archer of Red (Atalanta)
  35. Artemis (Fate Series)
  36. Assassin (Carmilla)
  37. Assassin (Charles-Henri Sanson)
  38. Assassin (Charlotte Corday) (L w | )
  39. Assassin (Cleopatra)
  40. Assassin (Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde)
  41. Assassin (EMIYA)
  42. Assassin (Fate/Extra) (L)
  43. Assassin (Fate/stay night) (L)
  44. Assassin (Fate/Zero) (L)
  45. Assassin (Fuma Kotaro)
  46. Assassin (Hassan of Serenity)
  47. Assassin (Hassan of the Cursed Arm) (L)
  48. Assassin (Jing Ke)
  49. Assassin (Katou Danzou)
  50. Assassin (Mata Hari)
  51. Assassin (MHX)
  52. Assassin (Nitocris)
  53. Assassin (Okada Izō)
  54. Assassin (Osakabehime)
  55. Assassin (Phantom of the Opera)
  56. Assassin (Scáthach) (L)
  57. Assassin (Shiki Ryougi) (L)
  58. Assassin (Shuten-douji)
  59. Assassin (Stheno) (L w)
  60. Assassin (Wu Zetian)
  61. Assassin (Yan Qing)
  62. Assassin (Yu Miaoyi)
  63. Assassin of Black (Jack the Ripper) (L)
  64. Avenger (Antonio Salieri) (w | )
  65. Avenger (Demon King Nobunaga)
  66. Avenger (Edmond Dantès)
  67. Avenger (Gorgon) (L)
  68. Avenger (Hessian Lobo)
  69. Avenger (Jeanne Alter)
  70. Avenger (Space Ishtar)
  71. Bazett Fraga McRemitz (Fate/Kaleid) (T)
  72. BB (Fate/Grand Order)
  73. Beatrice Flowerchild
  74. Berserker (Arcueid Brunestud) (L)
  75. Berserker (Arjuna Alter) (L)
  76. Berserker (Asterios)
  77. Berserker (Beowulf)
  78. Berserker (Caligula)
  79. Berserker (Chacha)
  80. Berserker (Cú Alter) (L)
  81. Berserker (Darius III)
  82. Berserker (Eric Bloodaxe)
  83. Berserker (Fate/Extra)
  84. Berserker (Fate/Requiem)
  85. Berserker (Fate/stay night) (L)
  86. Berserker (Fate/Zero) (L)
  87. Berserker (Florence Nightingale)
  88. Berserker (Hijikata Toshizou)
  89. Berserker (Ibaraki-douji)
  90. Berserker (MHX Alter)
  91. Berserker (Minamoto no Raikou)
  92. Berserker (Mori Nagayoshi)
  93. Berserker (Nobunaga Oda)
  94. Berserker (Paul Bunyan)
  95. Berserker (Penthesilea)
  96. Berserker (Sakata Kintoki)
  97. Berserker (Tamamo Cat)
  98. Berserker (Vlad III)
  99. Berserker of Black (Frankenstein's Monster) (L)
  100. Berserker of Red (Spartacus) (L)
  101. Caster (Archimedes) (L w)
  102. Caster (Asclepius) (L)
  103. Caster (Charles Babbage)
  104. Caster (Cú Chulainn)
  105. Caster (Elizabeth Báthory)
  106. Caster (Fate/Extra CCC) (L w)
  107. Caster (Fate/Extra) (L)
  108. Caster (Fate/Zero)
  109. Caster (Geronimo)
  110. Caster (Gilgamesh) (L)
  111. Caster (Helena Blavatsky) (w)
  112. Caster (Illyasviel von Einzbern)
  113. Caster (Leonardo da Vinci) (L w)
  114. Caster (Marie Antoinette) (w)
  115. Caster (Medea Lily) (w)
  116. Caster (Mephistopheles)
  117. Caster (Merlin) (L)
  118. Caster (Nitocris) (w)
  119. Caster (Paracelsus) (L w)
  120. Caster (Queen of Sheba) (L)
  121. Caster (Scheherazade) (L w)
  122. Caster (Sieg)
  123. Caster (Solomon) (L w)
  124. Caster (Thomas Edison)
  125. Caster (Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart) (L)
  126. Caster (Xuanzang) (w)
  127. Caster (Zhuge Liang) (w)
  128. Child-Gil (L)
  129. Chloe von Einzbern
  130. Dust of Osiris (T)
  131. Enkidu (Fate) (L)
  132. False Assassin
  133. False Berserker
  134. False Caster (Has Rank C Strength, not Rank E)
  135. False Rider (w)
  136. Foreigner (Abigail Williams)
  137. Gilgamesh (Fate Series) (L)
  138. Gilgamesh (Fate/Prototype) (L)
  139. Goetia (L w | )
  140. Illyasviel von Einzbern (Fate/Kaleid)
  141. Julian Ainsworth (L)
  142. Kama (Fate Series)
  143. Kazuradrop (L)
  144. King Hassan (L)
  145. Kouma Kishima (T)
  146. Lancer (Artoria Alter) (L)
  147. Lancer (Artoria) (L)
  148. Lancer (Brynhildr) (L)
  149. Lancer (Ereshkigal) (L)
  150. Lancer (Fate/Extra CCC) (L)
  151. Lancer (Fate/Extra) (L)
  152. Lancer (Fate/Prototype) (L)
  153. Lancer (Fate/stay night) (L)
  154. Lancer (Fate/Zero) (L)
  155. Lancer (Fionn mac Cumhaill) (L)
  156. Lancer (Gareth) (L)
  157. Lancer (Hector) (L)
  158. Lancer (Hōzōin Inshun) (L)
  159. Lancer (Ibaraki-douji) (L)
  160. Lancer (Jaguar Man) (L)
  161. Lancer (Jeanne Alter Lily) (L)
  162. Lancer (Kiyohime) (L)
  163. Lancer (Leonidas)
  164. Lancer (Li Shuwen)
  165. Lancer (Medusa) (L)
  166. Lancer (Minamoto no Raikou)
  167. Lancer (Musashibou Benkei)
  168. Lancer (Nagao Kagetora)
  169. Lancer (Parvati)
  170. Lancer (Romulus)
  171. Lancer (Romulus-Quirinus) (L)
  172. Lancer (Scáthach) (L)
  173. Lancer (Tamamo-no-Mae)
  174. Lancer of Black (Vlad III) (L)
  175. Lancer of Red (Karna) (L)
  176. Meltlilith (L)
  177. Merem Solomon (L)
  178. Michael Roa Valdamjong (T)
  179. Miyu Edelfelt
  180. Moon Cancer (Ganesha)
  181. Night of Wallachia (T)
  182. Nrvnqsr Chaos (T)
  183. Passionlip (L)
  184. Playable Archer (No Name) (L)
  185. Playable Caster (Tamamo-no-Mae) (L)
  186. Playable Saber (Nero) (L)
  187. Rider (Alexander) (L)
  188. Rider (Anne Bonny and Mary Read) (L)
  189. Rider (Artoria Alter) (L)
  190. Rider (Artoria Santa Alter) (L)
  191. Rider (Bartholomew Roberts) (L)
  192. Rider (Boudica) (L)
  193. Rider (Christopher Columbus) (L)
  194. Rider (Edward Teach)
  195. Rider (Fate/Extra) (L)
  196. Rider (Fate/stay night) (L)
  197. Rider (Fate/Zero) (L)
  198. Rider (Ivan the Terrible) ( | )
  199. Rider (Mandricardo) (L)
  200. Rider (Marie Antoinette)
  201. Rider (Medb)
  202. Rider (Mordred) (L)
  203. Rider (Ozymandias) (L)
  204. Rider (Red Hare) (L)
  205. Rider (Saint George) (L)
  206. Rider (Saint Martha) (L)
  207. Rider (Sakamoto Ryouma) (L)
  208. Rider (Sakata Kintoki) (L)
  209. Rider (Ushiwakamaru) (L)
  210. Rider of Black (Astolfo) (L)
  211. Rider of Red (Achilles) (L)
  212. Rin Tohsaka (Fate/Extra Last Encore) (L)
  213. Ruler (Artoria) (L)
  214. Ruler (Fate/Apocrypha) (L)
  215. Ruler (Karl der Große) (L)
  216. Ruler (Saint Martha)
  217. Ruler (Sherlock Holmes) (L)
  218. Saber (Astolfo) (L)
  219. Saber (Attila) (L)
  220. Saber (Bedivere) (L)
  221. Saber (Beni-enma) (L)
  222. Saber (Caesar) (L)
  223. Saber (Chevalier d'Eon) (L)
  224. Saber (Diarmuid Ua Duibhne) (L)
  225. Saber (Elizabeth Báthory Brave) (L)
  226. Saber (Fate/Prototype) (L)
  227. Saber (Fate/stay night) (L)
  228. Saber (Fergus mac Róich) (L)
  229. Saber (Frankenstein's Monster) (L)
  230. Saber (Gao Changgong) (L)
  231. Saber (Gawain) (L)
  232. Saber (Gilles de Rais) (L)
  233. Saber (Jason) (L)
  234. Saber (Lakshmibai) (L)
  235. Saber (Lancelot) (L)
  236. Saber (Musashi Miyamoto) (L)
  237. Saber (Nero Bride) (L)
  238. Saber (Okita Souji) (L)
  239. Saber (Rama) (L)
  240. Saber (Richard I) (L)
  241. Saber (Senji Muramasa) (L)
  242. Saber (Shiki Ryougi) (L)
  243. Saber (Sigurd) (L)
  244. Saber (Toyotomi Hideyoshi)
  245. Saber (Watanabe no Tsuna) (L)
  246. Saber Alter (L)
  247. Saber Lily (L)
  248. Saber of Black (Siegfried) (L)
  249. Saber of Red (Mordred) (L)
  250. Sakura Matou (Fate/kaleid)
  251. Saver (T | )
  252. Shielder (L)
  253. Shinji Matou (Fate/Kaleid)
  254. Shirou Kotomine (L)
  255. Sion Eltnam Atlasia ( | T)
  256. Touko Aozaki (T)
  257. True Archer (L)
  258. True Caster (w)
  259. True Rider (Hippolyta) (L)
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(L) = Change Lifting Strength only (Tier change is already applied)
(T) = Change Tier only (Lifting Strength is irrelevant or unknown)
(w) = "Physically weak" Servant

Servant (except the physically weak ones except in magic) are 6-C, NPs are 6-C+, and A+ and higher NPs are Low 6-B.

Lifting Strength: '''Class K''' (Comparable to [[Rider (Saint Martha)|Martha]] who stopped a speeding train, [[Rider of Red (Achilles)|Achilles]] who stopped a rolling 300 ton jumbo jet, and [[Berserker (Asterios)|Asterios]] who swam carrying the 100-150 ton Golden Hind galleon ship while injured)

Lifting Strength for weaker Servants: '''Class 5''' (Comparable to [[Caster (Anastasia)|Anastasia]] who is easily capable lifting people as large and heavy as [[Rider (Ivan the Terrible)|Ivan the Terrible]] overhead)

If we apply them we can do the downgrade for the 6-As scaling from Alteria, and I'll do a CRT to upgrade the physically weaker Servants to be comparable to others.
 
Has a consensus/an agreement been reached here then?
 
ShadowWhoWalks said:
Should I start applying?

Also, here is a list of Tier 6 calcs. Fafnir, Paul, and Spartacus calcs were accepted, and Sul-sagana calc was put on a blog. So we are not starved for Low 6-B and higher calcs, but the Fafnir one is the most-straightforward for scaling due to multiple characters being compared to the power of first-rate dragons.
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Let's wait a bit and see if we get any help with the other calculation first.
 
So I'll start finishing up the tier upgrade application, and applying the lifting strength revision.

In the mean time, everyone fine with downgrading the 6-A to Low 6-B as mentioned here?
SuperKamiNappa said:
So is Fanfnir just Low 6-B now? cause there are quite a few profile that are still 6-A scaling from him
Sieg's Akafiloga Argrise
Vortigern
Artoria's Rhongobongo
Lancer Alter's Rhongobongo
Romulus's Magna Voluisse Magnum
Quirinus's Per Aspera Ad Astra

Also since I think we're on agreement on this should I go ahead and downgrade everyone who's 6-A scaling from Altera to Low 6-B?
Mash's Lord Chaldeas
Altera's Teardrop Photon Ray
Boudica's Chariot of Boudica
Cu Alter's Gae Bolg
Scathach's Gae Bolg Alternative
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Supposedly, Scáthach can be killed by Cu if he grows strong enough to deliver a spear strike that can kill a god; otherwise the thrown version of Gae Bolg doesn't work her, because the spear can't see a fate where Scáthach dies. So maybe there is potential upgrade for Scáthach and Cu Alter based on this?
 
ShadowWhoWalks said:
So I'll start finishing up the tier upgrade application, and applying the lifting strength revision.

In the mean time, everyone fine with downgrading the 6-A to Low 6-B as mentioned here?


Supposedly, Scáthach can be killed by Cu if he grows strong enough to deliver a spear strike that can kill a god; otherwise the thrown version of Gae Bolg doesn't work her, because the spear can't see a fate where Scáthach dies. So maybe there is potential upgrade for Scáthach and Cu Alter based on this?
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If i recall right quirinus and cu alter have their own feat no?
 
Romulus-Quirinus has a: At least Continent level (scaling from Romulus), likely Planet level, possibly Higher
So it would become At least Small Country level, likely Planet level, possibly Higher.

Cu Alter scales above Mash's Lord Chaldeas, which is 6-A because of Tear Drop Photon Ray. Though Scathach claimed that his Curruid Coinchenn has "enough power to destroy the world", and he claimed that this attack is the one and only thing that can punch a hole in that gut of hers (I think he means the only thing that can kill her).

Santa Atilla would also be downgraded, mentioning her just so we don't forget her.
 
Quirinus is scaled from Romulus who scales from Lancer Artoria who scales from Vorty who scales from Fafnir

Santa Altera isn’t 6-A though, though CPR and vanilla Altera’s Photon Ray should be 6-C+ Considering they are A rank NPs

Sigurd needs to be downgraded too
 
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So what is left to do here?
 
Btw what are there any 6-A calcs? I know Tesla is remaining 6-A so is there anyone who scales from his NP?
 
Basicly finish applying (About 260 profiles, I am about 1/5th of the way, so I'll take a while),
and then discuss downgrading 6-A Teardrop Photon Ray and those who scale to it, since the calc is unreliable.
 
SuperKamiNappa said:
for some reason Ozy (and by extension Proto Arthur, Arash, Lion King/Simba, and Nito Burito) scales. I couldn't tell you why though
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Hmm we may have to eventually look into that scaling chain as if its legit and if so if it should be expanded but for now the ones not scaling to Tesla can be downgraded.
 
We should honestly make another thread for 6-A at least imo to handle all this but for now the changes can be made.
 
In some point someone mentioned to talk about the 6-A things in a separed thread, are we gonna do that or talk about it here? Because if we talk it here then there are also characters who should be upgraded, like Quetz.

Edit: Is great how in the moment of public a comment another talking about the same appear.
 
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