Nasuverse: Servant Base Stats and Noble Phantasm Conclusion

[Regidian]

This thing getting crazier and crazier holy crap

And any leaks picture for Spriggan, Woodworth, Aurora, and Bogard?

Three of them appear in story...

 

[Antvasima]

So what is left to do here?

 

[ShadowWhoWalks]

So what is left to do here?

The main topic is done, but the Japanese version of a new main FGO story arc got released (it will be a couple of years before the official English version is released), and it seems to have a couple of supporting feats. Though it would take a few days until we get full context from unofficial translations.

This thing getting crazier and crazier holy crap

And any leaks picture for Spriggan, Woodworth, Aurora, and Bogard?

The expression sheets got datamined, and some of the artists shared the full portraits on twitter.

Spoiler: Pictures

Spriggan:

Woodworth:

Aurora:

Bogard:

I was more with just fk gawain that take the np of tristan (rank A+ NP) whithout scratch when she doesn't even have numeral of the saint active

Tristain vs Fairy Knight Gawain happens in chapter 3.7, and the unofficial translation is on chapter 3.6 currently. So it should get translated in a couple of days or so.


Wouldn't the feat only scale to the three Fairy Knights and those above/comparable?

Also, the Fantasy Tree is destroyed in the English Lostbelt, and Morgan is sustaining the Lostbelt timeline with Rhonganymaid instead.

 

[SuperKamiNappa]

Should Cosmic Thot have an Alter Ego key for her playable version or is she just Tier 1 when we summon her?

 

[ShadowWhoWalks]

Should Cosmic Thot have an Alter Ego key for her playable version or is she just Tier 1 when we summon her?

It is mentioned in Babylonia that when Chaldea summons goddesses, their divinity is diminished in order for them to be contained in Servant form, and that their Spirit Origin becomes on par with Heroic Spirits while lacking the Authority of a god. So making extra keys for summonable divine spirits is something that should be done in future CRTs.

I was more with just fk gawain that take the np of tristan (rank A+ NP) whithout scratch when she doesn't even have numeral of the saint active

That part is out.


So Tristaan shreds the fingers of his right hand to restrain FK Gawain with strings that apply the weight/mass of the city they are in. He says that from what he've seen of her power, she won't be able to shrug off the next attack, and hits her with the best shot he can, using his mouth to pull the strings. FK Gawain counters by pulling her horn and transforming, killing Tristin and destroying large parts of the city (despite previously mentioning that she doesn't want to cause damage to the Queen's property). FK Gawain says that the attack affected her a little, and that she is numb all over her body.
Removing the horns removes the seals on her true form/power, and she was pushed into destroying the town. So it is implied that FK Gawain was only able to tank Failnaught after she transforms. FK Gawain also claims that she is stronger than FK Lancelot and that she is the strongest person in the kingdom; which is an empty boast considering she got defeated by Alter Ego Muramasa unlike FK Lancelot, but it is possible that she is physically stronger than FK Lancelot and Morgan.

Not sure if it scales to others.

So according to an early translation of Chapter 4, and Chapter 8, Muramasa didn't fall for three days but he it took him three days to climb up while injured. He also states that he doesn't know how deep the hole is since he didn't reach the bottom, but it is at least 10,000 m or comparable to the Mariana Trench.
This would mean that 6-A from the feat is a no-go, unles Part 2 reveals that the hole is much deeper (if we are lucky the hole leads to Avalon in the inner sea of the Earth).

Found an unmarked map.

Assuming the full translation doesn't contradict the early translation, I think this covers it?

 

[Regidian]

It is mentioned in Babylonia that when Chaldea summons goddesses, their divinity is diminished in order for them to be contained in Servant form, and that their Spirit Origin becomes on par with Heroic Spirits while lacking the Authority of a god. So making extra keys for summonable divine spirits is something that should be done in future CRTs.


That part is out.


So Tristaan shreds the fingers of his right hand to restrain FK Gawain with strings that apply the weight/mass of the city they are in. He says that from what he've seen of her power, she won't be able to shrug off the next attack, and hits her with the best shot he can, using his mouth to pull the strings. FK Gawain counters by pulling her horn and transforming, killing Tristin and destroying large parts of the city (despite previously mentioning that she doesn't want to cause damage to the Queen's property). FK Gawain says that the attack affected her a little, and that she is numb all over her body.
Removing the horns removes the seals on her true form/power, and she was pushed into destroying the town. So it is implied that FK Gawain was only able to tank Failnaught after she transforms. FK Gawain also claims that she is stronger than FK Lancelot and that she is the strongest person in the kingdom; which is an empty boast considering she got defeated by Alter Ego Muramasa unlike FK Lancelot, but it is possible that she is physically stronger than FK Lancelot and Morgan.

Not sure if it scales to others.

So according to an early translation of Chapter 4, and Chapter 8, Muramasa didn't fall for three days but he it took him three days to climb up while injured. He also states that he doesn't know how deep the hole is since he didn't reach the bottom, but it is at least 10,000 m or comparable to the Mariana Trench.
This would mean that 6-A from the feat is a no-go, unles Part 2 reveals that the hole is much deeper (if we are lucky the hole leads to Avalon in the inner sea of the Earth).

Found an unmarked map.

Assuming the full translation doesn't contradict the early translation, I think this covers it?

The numb part is because of the transformation actually.

And we litteraly see in the animation that she tank failnaught before she use her np. We see in the image that her hand was covered by the string too so to pull her horn she would have need to take of the string before

Seeing how her soldier look when she tell to be the strongest. Even them know it's false. So it's more likely that she want to think she the strongest

 

[ShadowWhoWalks]

The animation has limitation since it is created based on the turn-based combat and animation; for instance Tristian isn't supposed to use his right hand at all, and FK is supposed to be already tied up. So we need to give priority to the text in order to understand the narrative.
From the text, Tristian observed FK Gawain's power and concludes that her body won't be able to shrug off his next attack, even if he used his mouth to pull the strings instead of his hand.
Furthermore, FK Gawain previously said that destroying the farm as collateral is unacceptable; transforming and doing exactly that implies that her hand was forced. No-selling the best attack from an injured person wouldn't cause such a response.

 

[Antvasima]

What are the conclusions here so far?

 

[Regidian]

The animation has limitation since it is created based on the turn-based combat and animation; for instance Tristian isn't supposed to use his right hand at all, and FK is supposed to be already tied up. So we need to give priority to the text in order to understand the narrative.
From the text, Tristian observed FK Gawain's power and concludes that her body won't be able to shrug off his next attack, even if he used his mouth to pull the strings instead of his hand.
Furthermore, FK Gawain previously said that destroying the farm as collateral is unacceptable; transforming and doing exactly that implies that her hand was forced. No-selling the best attack from an injured person wouldn't cause such a response.

Except that she had the weight of the city in her because the string was here so she would have obligatory destroy the farm and like i tell in the image we see with the string here hand was blocked by them too so she would have need to break the string first to do her np with the horn

 

[SuperKamiNappa]

So what ever happened with 6-B Gugalana and Lucua having an NP comparable to the KT extinction event? Are they not going to be exceptions or what?

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

So what ever happened with 6-B Gugalana and Lucua having an NP comparable to the KT extinction event? Are they not going to be exceptions or what?

They should be exceptions because: 1) They are Rank EX NP (An Gal Tā Kigal Shē is EX and Gugalanna Strike is A+ because it's just a stomp of Gugalana instead of the full might of the real thing). 2) They are gods tiers, so it's acceptable that even as normal servants their powers (mainly NP) exceed others servants.

 

[Antvasima]

What are the conclusions here so far?

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

What are the conclusions here so far?

The things of general servants are done and now we were waiting until the new chapter of story is translated to see what other feats can bring. SuperKamiNappa asked about the tier when summoned as normal servants of two god tiers which have NP Rank EX (the Low 6-B calcs are from Rank A+) and each have their own feat above Low 6-B with said NPs.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. If you are currently done, do you need my help with anything here, or should I unsubscribe from this thread?

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Okay. If you are currently done, do you need my help with anything here, or should I unsubscribe from this thread?

You can unsubscribe, later when the story is out and the things to debate are debated then someone probably will contact you or someone else to finally close this thread.

 

[ShadowWhoWalks]

Except that she had the weight of the city in her because the string was here so she would have obligatory destroy the farm and like i tell in the image we see with the string here hand was blocked by them too so she would have need to break the string first to do her np with the horn

Not sure if I understood you correctly, but...
She needed to use her NP to break free from the strings so she destroyed the farm...
So she broke free from the strings first in order to use her NP which destroyed the farm
?

If her neck was not restrained she can lean in toward her hand.

It stands that Tristan stated that he grasped FK Gawain strength and that she won't be able to shrug off his next attack, and he told the group that if his trump card works out he'll meet up with them soon meaning that he expected the attack to kill FK Gawain if she was immobilized.

So FK Tristan told Morgan that the only thing FK Lancelot has over her is being fast. So FK Gawain is probably the physically strongest.
It is also mentioned by Habetrot that Mash is on par with the Fairy Knights in fighting strength. So Servants should at least be strong enough to give them a fight.
Also, something interesting in the FK Gawain fight is that she was absorbing Ritsuka's magical energy and his Command Spells to the point that he almost passed out, which might have buffed her.

Things should become easier to scale when Part 2 is released in a week.

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So what ever happened with 6-B Gugalana and Lucua having an NP comparable to the KT extinction event? Are they not going to be exceptions or what?

Gulganna Strike is lumped in with the Low 6-B as an A+ Rank NP, though an argument can be made to make it an except I think it is better as Low 6-B.
Santa Servants are considered more powerful than normal Servants (For example, Santa Karna is casually FTL), though it wouldn't scale to her weakened Chaldea Servant self, it should definetly be an exception.

 

[Antvasima]

You can unsubscribe, later when the story is out and the things to debate are debated then someone probably will contact you or someone else to finally close this thread.

Okay. That is good. I will unsubscribe then.