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Nasuverse Discussion Board (New Forum)

Wait Godboy, weren't you the same person who said continuous years and years of FGO and its events n shi would be fun :censored:
Were you joking or serious?
 
Mageman460 said:
Because it's not really needed, she also directly compares Ameterasu to Goetia's AAS in the same scene. We could use it if we wanted, but the justification section is already kinda big.
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she doesn't directly say AAS, just "The threat behind this"

Im also pretty sure AAS just affects the FGO timeline as well.
 
Wankbreaker said:
she doesn't directly say AAS, just "The threat behind this"

Im also pretty sure AAS just affects the FGO timeline as well.
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It would destroy the foundations for all other "Human Order" timelines, or at least, that was the plan.
How would the other timelines not be affected?
 
LehenDuo said:
It would destroy the foundations for all other "Human Order" timelines, or at least, that was the plan.
How would the other timelines not be affected?
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the world of Clock Tower 2015 (a tsukihime timeline), is noted to be safe from Goetia because Lev killed himself in that timeline
 
Wankbreaker said:
the world of Clock Tower 2015 (a tsukihime timeline), is noted to be safe from Goetia because Lev killed himself in that timeline
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Yes, but Tsukihime and Fate Worlds are said to be separate/different, with Fate World being those where "Affirmation of Human History" reigns. Considering QTLs have been called "Human Order Foundations", the concept of QTL as something needed probably doesn't make much sense in Tsuki Worlds, similarly to how HS Summoning doesn't.

逆に言えば、何らかの大偉業によってこの「霊子記録固定帯」を破壊できれば人類史を根底から否定する事が可能となるが、その方法でも「破壊した固定帯から先の人類史だけ」を否定するのが限界である。
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To rephrase, it is potentially possible that by some immense undertaking, the course of the History of Man could be fundamentally denied by successful revocation (破壊, hakai?, lit. "destruction") of a "Quantum Time-Lock," but even by this method, that which is denied is restricted to "the History of Man that falls subsequent to the anchoring band."
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Fate Worlds = Affirmation of Human History.
No QTL, HH is/can be denied.
Fate Worlds go boom.
 
LehenDuo said:
Yes, but Tsukihime and Fate Worlds are said to be separate/different, with Fate World being those where "Affirmation of Human History" reigns. Considering QTLs have been called "Human Order Foundations", the concept of QTL as something needed probably doesn't make much sense in Tsuki Worlds, similarly to how HS Summoning doesn't.
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FGO is also noted to be it's own worldline, so its seperated from even other fate worlds.
 
Wankbreaker said:
FGO is also noted to be it's own worldline, so its seperated from even other fate worlds.
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This would contradict your affirmation.
I may be wrong, but the only "worldlines" actually explicitated were Fate and Tsukihime (and Prototype which is in fact separate, not sharing the common foundation that Fate and Tsukihime share, even if they diverged - it was never called a worldline as far as I know), even Fate/strange Fake isn't its own worldline, but a in-between.
 
LehenDuo said:
This would contradict your affirmation.
I may be wrong, but the only "worldlines" actually explicitated were Fate and Tsukihime (and Prototype which is in fact separate, not sharing the common foundation that Fate and Tsukihime share, even if they diverged - it was never called a worldline as far as I know), even Fate/strange Fake isn't its own worldline, but a in-between.
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FGO is stated to be "neither" (aka it abides by neither of the 2 worldline systems), and SF is stated directly to be "both" (which cannot happen unless its it's own worldline
 
LehenDuo said:
Yes, but Tsukihime and Fate Worlds are said to be separate/different, with Fate World being those where "Affirmation of Human History" reigns. Considering QTLs have been called "Human Order Foundations", the concept of QTL as something needed probably doesn't make much sense in Tsuki Worlds, similarly to how HS Summoning doesn't.




Fate Worlds = Affirmation of Human History.
No QTL, HH is/can be denied.
Fate Worlds go boom.
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Bamboo Broom states FGO worlds are ones where both Alaya and Gaia are weak so probably not your regular fate timeline either (Alaya being weak doesn't matter on servant summoning as long as DAA's (idea bloods) don't exist, human history keeps being affirmed)

But it has it's Alaya weakened compared to other fate timelines probably tells you it is its own thing (there are theories of it being a simulation entirely so makes sense IG)
 
Wankbreaker said:

FGO is stated to be "neither" (aka it abides by neither of the 2 worldline systems), and SF is stated directly to be "both" (which cannot happen unless its it's own worldline
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SF has elements of Tsukihime worlds yes ergo Roa exists in the current time and had his fated meeting with Arcueid, Shiki meeting Arcueid in the future et cetera. Dead Apostle Ancestors exists as an organization (TATARI losing his mind for example, Fabro Rowan becoming Chaos et cetera) but there are no rank 8: successors or rank 9: dead apostle ancestors (idea blood necessary) so to speak.

The Dead Apostle Ancestors exist as something like the 27 Special Superior Dead Apostles.

What I'd say is that it's the closest to the OG timeline (DAA's had no Idea Blood and could thus be marked off at rank 7, servant summoning was possible, FSN happened after the end of Tsuki and HF end was referenced in FSF) of course Roa is still said to be reincarnating by Jester so I think the timeline follows TsukiRe events to occur at 2014.
 
LamentSatanael said:
SF has elements of Tsukihime worlds yes ergo Roa exists in the current time and had his fated meeting with Arcueid, Shiki meeting Arcueid in the future et cetera. Dead Apostle Ancestors exists as an organization (TATARI losing his mind for example, Fabro Rowan becoming Chaos et cetera) but there are no rank 8: successors or rank 9: dead apostle ancestors (idea blood necessary) so to speak.

The Dead Apostle Ancestors exist as something like the 27 Special Superior Dead Apostles.

What I'd say is that it's the closest to the OG timeline (DAA's had no Idea Blood and could thus be marked off at rank 7, servant summoning was possible, FSN happened after the end of Tsuki and HF end was referenced in FSF) of course Roa is still said to be reincarnating by Jester so I think the timeline follows TsukiRe events to occur at 2014.
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Can TATARI or Rowan as Lair of the Beast RM/Chaos even exist without their respective Idea Bloods/without DAAs?
Fabro could become a DA through his research, specially given he's in Baldanders (and seems to be there in every possible timeline at least "in the past") and shit, but the idea of TATARI without DAAs seem awkward, even if I can't pinpoint anything that it would explicitly contradict.
 
LehenDuo said:
Can TATARI or Rowan as Lair of the Beast RM/Chaos even exist without their respective Idea Bloods/without DAAs?
Fabro could become a DA through his research, specially given he's in Baldanders (and seems to be there in every possible timeline at least "in the past") and shit, but the idea of TATARI without DAAs seem awkward, even if I can't pinpoint anything that it would explicitly contradict.
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Sorry, I didn't catch what you meant.

Are you trying to say TATARI/Nrvnqsr can exist as DAAs without Idea Blood? Yeah, they can.
TATARI or any of the dead apostle ancestors as an organization does not exist in Fate worlds really but they do in FSF as an organization (Where TATARI loses his mind and turns a DA; alongside Nrvnqsr and any other for example) just not as rank 9's with Idea Blood and neither rank 8 because it is Idea Blood reliant.
 
LamentSatanael said:
Sorry, I didn't catch what you meant.

Are you trying to say TATARI/Nrvnqsr can exist as DAAs without Idea Blood? Yeah, they can.
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I thin you meant no, as DAAs are literally defined by the existence of their Idea Blood, right?
LamentSatanael said:
TATARI or any of the dead apostle ancestors as an organization does not exist in Fate worlds really but they do in FSF as an organization (Where TATARI loses his mind and turns a DA; alongside Nrvnqsr and any other for example) just not as rank 9's with Idea Blood and neither rank 8 because it is Idea Blood reliant.
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It's a if, but Lair of the Beast and TATARI Phenomena would be their Idea Blood, wouldn't they?
The first is a "body as limits" RM (that I always think is awkward as a RM, but ****, there are a fuckton of RMs that are awkward), the second is to become a phenomena that is enacted by the planet, both seem not only in line with the idea of a Idea Blood, even if they predate it, but also are the defining thing about both characters as DA Ancestors.
 
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LehenDuo said:
I thin you meant no, as DAAs are literally defined by the existence of their Idea Blood, right?
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No, that's their principle and more so it is not something they necessarily need to exist. For example, Shiki permanently kills Vlov's principle on Ciel's route and he still lives. This also tells us Shiki's eyes can perma-kill a Reality Marble and make it completely unusable thereon.
LehenDuo said:
It's a if, but Lair of the Beast and TATARI Phenomena would be their Idea Blood, wouldn't they?
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That would be their principle; think of Idea Bloods as something that are drops of Crimson Moon's stains that supercharge a principle of a DAA into a singularity (tokuiten) stain the planet and paint it over everything, even physical laws with the said Idea Blood's gimmick, that is mainly derived from the principle.
LehenDuo said:
The first is a "body as limits" RM (that I always think is awkward as a RM, but ****, there are a fuckton of RMs that are awkward), the second is to become a phenomena that is enacted by the planet, both seem not only in line with the idea of a Idea Blood, even if they predate it, but also are the defining thing about both characters as DA Ancestors.
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Principles are RMs but better, and what defines a DA of their life is their lifelong never-ending project/curse; think of it much similar to Br'iahs from Dies Irae if you've played the VN. Idea Blood is merely sort of "a crown" that supercharges your principle into a singularity and gets you to rank 9.
 
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