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For the future, when their feats are enough to warrant them a profile. You wouldn't have much if we used current olga feats. As for characters from lostbelts, they just haven't been added yet.
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Nasuverse Discussion Board (New Forum)
- Thread starter DemonGodMitchAubin
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Didn't karna absorb only a fraction of Shiva's power? Idk about Goetia scaling above Kama it doesn't have a basis outside of Kiara being inferior to Goetia but Kama got way stronger than Kiara
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On very existent misfits
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I'm not too sure. Shiva was either absorbed by Arjuna or Karna, which is what allowed Kama to run out the Lostbelt. She should be weaker than Goetia since she wasn't a full mature beast like Goetia.
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The point about immature beasts being inferior to any mature beast feels arbitrary where does it come from again?
Karna absorbed Shiva's authority but it was only a fraction he took it from someone else
Pretty sure arjuna would have the full authority tho
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Kiara admitted that Goetia was stronger than her
I vaguely remember something like that, wasn't it from Pepe's servant or something?
Would you think that this qualifies for High 1-B lostbelt kings?
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I don't see how this would be generalized to all immature beasts tho.
Probably not all of them (Ivan is a fraud
) Zeus and arjuna should be up there tho and kukulkan easily
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Kiara said she would need her powers as Beast to fight against her, Kama said something like going further on beasthood than Kiara ever did, also talked about how she would reach full maturity that Kiara didn't do. I think it adds up
Huge fraud, I can't believe they stated this man could fight against ZeusProbably not all of them (Ivan is a fraud
yeah I agree
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Usually they'd be =, Kiara said normally kama shouldn't have the power of the universe that's when she explained Kiara momentarily giving up those powers tipped the scales and made her stronger to that extent.
And that was before Kama ascended even more, her saying she'd need her beast powers just tips the scale back and Kama gets nerfed and they become = again.
Real
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caenis be tripping
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Gilgamesh should scale to High 1-B.
KingNanaya
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I just want Kingprotea to be high 3-A
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and I want to be happy. Do we always get what we want? No.
Tdjwo
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But Anos on his very existent misfit still soleos
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Stop wanking Anos dude.
Fezzih_007
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Should Caren be High 1-B? She said she hit Kama with the force of the universe.
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Statements like that usually have scrutiny applied to them. If universe is accepted as High 1-B then it'd probably need proof of being the entire universe and its dimensions and not just the contents of the universe (Which is still like low 1-C to 1-C).
Tdjwo
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Tdjwo
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Ehhh...the context doesn't imply the actual universe. Sounds like an hyperbole tbh.
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KingNanaya
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tu madre
Fezzih_007
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Okay then, just making sure.
Tdjwo
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Puta lera
Tdjwo
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Check your dms
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Kiara is equal to Kama with the powers of the Universe but she knew that defeating her once wouldn't end it all. After she goes into her evolved form she got stronger again so she should be above Kiara now. Still should be weaker than Goetia since she needs full maturity to destroy the concept of love for humanity.
she's able to go back to Beast R temporarily as seen at the end of Ooku, also with the above scans about her being able to defeat her if she stops existing as a servant
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No she's not, Kama became that strong because Kiara stopped using her beast.
That's how the relationship of Beast L and R works if one becomes nerfed the other becomes stronger Kama explains this after Kiara says "she shouldn't wield the power of the universe normally".
Kiara using her beast powers means Kama becomes weaker because the scales don't tip anymore.
I don't see how this makes her weaker than Goetia, doesn't seem to have anything to do with power output
Being able to defeat her if she stops existing as a servant is just something inferred from the fact that if Kama has the power of the universe it was because Kiara was no longer a beast.
-Kiara says she shouldn't wield this much power over the universe
-Kama says she's like this because she awakened a power
This was before she became stronger, so if Kiara would've gotten her power back at that point the scales wouldn't tip to Kama and give her as much as she had.
Ooku Kama with the power of the universe>Kiara
But this is only because Kiara being nerfed makes Kama Stronger.
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I can agree with Kama with the power of the universe > Kiara since Mara was already a beast, scales tipping granting her more power those stuff.
But her being Equal to Goetia doesn't make sense.
But her being Equal to Goetia doesn't make sense.
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But this was attributed not only to her being an immature beast but her being Ooku similar to how Goetia wasn't recognized as a threat despite being mature, because he was in the temple of time.
We never saw a grand servant for Goetia too
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It's because he was Grand Caster at the same time, since he had Solomon's body. Kama went through her evolution in her universe so she can avoid the counter force until she was full maturity. Meaning that, she doesn't believe she's ready for a fight against a Grand Servant yet.
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No. The counter force can predict when a beast is about the manifest, that's why grand Lancer was summoned before u-olga Marie manifested in a beast class.
That's why grand archer was summoned before koyanskaya unveiled her beast powers.
Same thing with goetia and AAS in his Temple of time, the counter force could've stopped him if they could when he incinerated human order. He was inside the temple of time so.
Counter force? Maybe grand servant? I don't think I've seen any counter force successfully taking down any beast alone, they are just enough help for Chaldea to finish the beasts off.
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You only contribute to my misery you creep.
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Don't be rude to me sis. I'm just wishing you happiness D:
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I found something nice. When comparing Olga and Goetia, Da Vinci said Goetia is stronger than Olga and that Olga was the strongest we've seen since Goetia. Olga was harmed by Kirschtaria Wodime who could fight against Zeus. This alone puts Goetia above everything we've ever faced in the series
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This statement was made in Heian Kyo, meaning everything up to and including U Olga Marie. It does not include Ibuki, Morgan, Kukulkan, Tez, Caz, or ORT
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It would include Ibuki, she was stated to be on par with Olympus gods and Lostbelt kings. Besides, the rest isn't relevant to our discussion on Kama being equal to Goetia
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with the exception of chaos tho
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Yeah, not even Goetia could sufficiently harm Chaos
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The statement does not include Ibuki. We were unaware of her existence at the time the statement was made. However, it is entirely likely that Goetia is still above Ibuki given the only thing we really know about her level of power was that she was greater than the machine gods (as a general term)
