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Nasuverse Discussion Board (New Forum)

Tdjwo said:
Still doesn't change the fact that he ain't the only one.
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Sure, but knowledgeable members should be allowed to comment.

Tdjwo said:
Kara no Kyoukai clears any of Masada's writing. The philosophy in it alone trumps anything Masada ever wrote. I tried getting into Kajiri Kamui Kagura but I couldn't at all. Dies Iries has too many mistranslations for me to even trust what I'm getting myself into.
Textures are one of the best things about Nasu's cosmology. FGO is great.
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If you haven’t read DI, then I feel that talking about it’s philosophies a compared to other novels is disingenuous. Kara no Kyoukai is interesting and great as a novel, but DI’s better by a large margin. I’d say something like Tsukihime, Mahoyo, and FSN would be a better comparison.

As for Kajiri, it starts off a bit weird, but it ends up getting good pretty quickly. It delves into a lot of Eastern philosophy and into ideas of egoism, altruism, and more
 
Tarang123 said:
If you haven’t read DI, then I feel that talking about it’s philosophies a compared to other novels is disingenuous. Kara no Kyoukai is interesting and great as a novel, but DI’s better by a large margin. I’d say something like Tsukihime, Mahoyo, and FSN would be a better comparison.
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I think Kara no Kyoukai is the greatest piece of Eastern philosophical piece of fiction ever created. I don't see anything toping Nasu's philosophical writing. And I think it has way better philosophy than Fate or Tsukihime or Mahoyo.
 
Tdjwo said:
I think Kara no Kyoukai is the greatest piece of Eastern philosophical piece of fiction ever created. I don't see anything toping Nasu's philosophical writing. And I think it has way better philosophy than Fate or Tsukihime or Mahoyo.
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I don’t think philosophy makes a work better. As for its philosophy. It was fine. DI was more interesting but that’s more cause I find more intrigue in Nietzschean ideas than what Kara no Kyoukai delves into. Doesn’t hurt that DI has better t characters than the majority of Nasuverse
 
Tarang123 said:
Doesn’t hurt that DI has better t characters than the majority of Nasuverse
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I can forgive you for every other thing you said but don't even think of comparing Masada to Nasu I'm terms of characters ever. This is blasphemy! Nasuverse absolutely murders almost all of anime when it comes to characters.
 
Tdjwo said:
I can forgive you for every other thing you said but don't even think of comparing Masada to Nasu I'm terms of characters ever. This is blasphemy! Nasuverse absolutely murders almost all of anime when it comes to characters.
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Not carrying the discussion much further, but read all the works first before making claims like this. Besides, I can still name at least 10 different anime characters above all of Nasuverse in writing.

But enough of this weird size comparison thing. How would you rate the different Nasuverse works you’ve read out of 10?
 
Tarang123 said:
Not carrying the discussion much further, but read all the works first before making claims like this. Besides, I can still name at least 10 different anime characters above all of Nasuverse in writing.
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They dont exist.
Tarang123 said:
But enough of this weird size comparison thing. How would you rate the different Nasuverse works you’ve read out of 10?
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Kara no Kyoukai- 100/10
Tsukihime- 10/10
Fate Zero- 10/10
F/SN- 7/10
Realta Nua version- 9/10
Fate Hollow Ataraxia- 7/10
Angel Notes- Haven't read
Mahoyo- 8/10
FGO- Haven't finished playing but 8/10
Fate Strange Fake- 9/10
F/Heaven's feel- Only watched the movies. 10/10
Fate Kaleid- Never and might never watch it.
Carnival Phantasm- 5/10
Fate extra/CCC- 6-7/10
Fate extra last encore- 2/10(It's so bad)
Fate Apocrypha- 7.5/10(the ost's were so peak)
 
Tdjwo said:
FGO- Haven't finished playing but 8/10
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The first few singularities drag it down. Even the worst of the Lostbelts don't get that dull.

Tdjwo said:
Fate Apocrypha- 7.5/10(the ost's were so peak)
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Don't forget the sound design in general.

Karna vs Sieg is one of my favourite fights mostly for that. Vasavi Shakti was so damn well done.

Plus the effects (while over the top for some) were so good at emphasising the scale.
 
Tdjwo said:
They dont exist.

Kara no Kyoukai- 100/10
Tsukihime- 10/10
Fate Zero- 10/10
F/SN- 7/10
Realta Nua version- 9/10
Fate Hollow Ataraxia- 7/10
Angel Notes- Haven't read
Mahoyo- 8/10
FGO- Haven't finished playing but 8/10
Fate Strange Fake- 9/10
F/Heaven's feel- Only watched the movies. 10/10
Fate Kaleid- Never and might never watch it.
Carnival Phantasm- 5/10
Fate extra/CCC- 6-7/10
Fate extra last encore- 2/10(It's so bad)
Fate Apocrypha- 7.5/10(the ost's were so peak)
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Lots of ratings I probably wouldn’t agree with. FSN being a 7 seems wrong but it’s pacing was atrocious. Kara no Kyoukai was like a 7.5 imo. Good in its thematics, great even but its character left a bit to be desired.

FSN: 8.5
Fate Zero: 9
Tsukihime: 9.5
Kara no Kyoukai: 7.5
RN version: 8.5
FHA: 7
Angel Notes: 6
Mahoyo: 8.5
FSF: 8
Heaven’s Feel: 6 (9 for the movies)
Kaleid: 6
Carnival Phantasm: 6
CCC: 6
FELA: 3
FA: 7


As for that first part, guys like Johan Liebert are better than literally every character in Nasuverse. He’s arguably better than every VN character

Seeing as you put your stuff in, l’ll just out my Shinza ratings cause we’ve been on that topic

Dies Irae: 9.5
K3: 9
Ikabey: 10
Paradise Lost: 7.5
Avesta: 9
 
Tdjwo said:
Ryougi Shiki, Artoria, Kiritsugu, Archer, Kirei, Amakusa Shirou Tohkisada>Johan Liebert
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Respectfully, you’re just objectively wrong. Like, on every possible level. The only one you could remotely compare to him would be Kirei or Shiki and even that’s a stretch.

I’ll say it again, I don’t think there’s a single VN character that’s better than him. Even the ones that are around his level like Beatrice, Mercurius, Kirei, Morgana, etc. aren’t actually better.
 
Tarang123 said:
Respectfully, you’re just objectively wrong. Like, on every possible level. The only one you could remotely compare to him would be Kirei or Shiki and even that’s a stretch.

I’ll say it again, I don’t think there’s a single VN character that’s better than him. Even the ones that are around his level like Beatrice, Mercurius, Kirei, Morgana, etc. aren’t actually better.
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Well, that's your opinion, but I disagree.
 
Tdjwo said:
Well, that's your opinion, but I disagree.
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Sure that’s fine. I went a bit too far saying you were objectively wrong. You’re entitled to your opinion. Though I’ve never really seen a whole lot to convince me that any of the characters you named are remotely close to Johan apart from Kirei
 
For people who argue that Zeus used his full power vs Kirschtaria Ideal Magecraft, does anyone have some reason?
It just doesn't add up. It not only makes no sense for him to use his full power, but when he actually does so vs we, chaldeans, it's put as such a big deal/Souls he incinerate will go byebye/World is ******.
 
LehenDuo said:
For people who argue that Zeus used his full power vs Kirschtaria Ideal Magecraft, does anyone have some reason?
It just doesn't add up. It not only makes no sense for him to use his full power, but when he actually does so vs we, chaldeans, it's put as such a big deal/Souls he incinerate will go byebye/World is ******.
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The translation outright says that Zeus wasn't at full power when they fought (though he tried to power up before Wodime could hit him, but it was too late), and I assume that the original says the same.

Kinda a shame we never actually got to see Zeus go beyond 35%.
 
Tyranno223 said:
The translation outright says that Zeus wasn't at full power when they fought (though he tried to power up before Wodime could hit him, but it was too late), and I assume that the original says the same.

Kinda a shame we never actually got to see Zeus go beyond 35%.
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Yes, but I've seen more than a couple people arguing that Kirsch vs Zeus was "full power Zeus"...
 
LehenDuo said:
Yes, but I've seen more than a couple people arguing that Kirsch vs Zeus was "full power Zeus"...
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That doesn’t make sense in anyway as even Kirsch himself admits that he went in to shock Zeus and make sure Zeus underestimated him massively until it was too late to actually get any bit Serious and that he inly won because Zeus’ pride stopped him from going seriously on a human.
 
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