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Nasuverse Discussion Board (New Forum)

Tdjwo said:
Most of the stuffs seems to follow vsbw's guidelines. Makes sense to me🤷
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In terms of tiering, most of the stuff ressembles vsbw. Though, a lot of stuff seem to be very exaggerated like Imaginary Number Space. What I found more interesting was the Root's part and that "concepts hierarchy". I'd have to look into that in details but the blog lacks sources and I'm a bit lazy ngl.
 
A lot of the other wikis are better in some regards compared to VSBW but it seems vsbw is more accurate (not saying we are 100% accurate, I’m just saying that we’re more accurate compared to them)
 
Maxeez said:
In terms of tiering, most of the stuff ressembles vsbw. Though, a lot of stuff seem to be very exaggerated like Imaginary Number Space. What I found more interesting was the Root's part and that "concepts hierarchy". I'd have to look into that in details but the blog lacks sources and I'm a bit lazy ngl.
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Yeah. It was the roots' part that impressed me the most. I was also right about Akashic records being different from True Emptiness/Swirl of root.
 
Yeah I guess. I won't take it literally though, since I'd have to get the actual source of all of this to make up my mind by myself.
 
MrUnderlord said:
On that wiki Azathoth is considered to be a reality dreamer. Rofl.
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I'm not talking about any other character's profile. I'm specifically talking about The Root's profile. Different people make different profiles there. Some are legit, some are beyond terrible. Have you read the Swirl_of_the_Root's profile there?
 
Tdjwo said:
I'm not talking about any other character's profile. I'm specifically talking about The Root's profile. Different people make different profiles there. Some are legit, some are beyond terrible. Have you read the Swirl_of_the_Root's profile there?
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The usual description of the Root.
 
AHAHAHAHH ROFL.
"Outerverse level (As an existence comparable to that of True Demons, Sut-Typhon is superior to Kiara who possessed full control over the Moon Cell, which had recorded all of human history. Therefore, it likely has records of the Unified Language, which is capable of accessing the Akashic Record and drawing forth memories from the Root. The Root is a metaphysical realm that serves as the apex point atop all forms of dimensional theory, governing dimensional theory from outside of the world. It is the source of all existence from which all things flow that records the beginning and end of all things. It is a realm without boundaries where time has no meaning, and it stretches out into infinity. It is the primordial beginning that can grant the power to bend the rules of reality or break it like a twig, remake or unmake the world, and create a whole new reality from nothing. Sut-Typhon is enshrined beyond the ultimate gate that surpasses the six doors representing all possible dimensions that reach across all of time and space. It is an existence that borders all possible dimensions and is tied to all possible things, which would include Divine Spirits, Ultimate Ones, Void Shiki, and possibly even the Root itself)"
 
MrUnderlord said:
AHAHAHAHH ROFL.
"Outerverse level (As an existence comparable to that of True Demons, Sut-Typhon is superior to Kiara who possessed full control over the Moon Cell, which had recorded all of human history. Therefore, it likely has records of the Unified Language, which is capable of accessing the Akashic Record and drawing forth memories from the Root. The Root is a metaphysical realm that serves as the apex point atop all forms of dimensional theory, governing dimensional theory from outside of the world. It is the source of all existence from which all things flow that records the beginning and end of all things. It is a realm without boundaries where time has no meaning, and it stretches out into infinity. It is the primordial beginning that can grant the power to bend the rules of reality or break it like a twig, remake or unmake the world, and create a whole new reality from nothing. Sut-Typhon is enshrined beyond the ultimate gate that surpasses the six doors representing all possible dimensions that reach across all of time and space. It is an existence that borders all possible dimensions and is tied to all possible things, which would include Divine Spirits, Ultimate Ones, Void Shiki, and possibly even the Root itself)"
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What profile is this?
 
MrUnderlord said:
character-stats-and-profiles.fandom.com

Abigail Williams (Canon, Foreigner)/RetroWeeeb

Foreigner is a Foreigner-class Pseudo Servant summoned by Ritsuka Fujimaru in Fate/Grand Order. Foreigner's True Name is Abigail Williams, the first of a series of children whose accusations would lead to the infamous Salem Witch Trials. Due to the machinations of the Demon God Piller Raum...
character-stats-and-profiles.fandom.com character-stats-and-profiles.fandom.com
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Dude. That is a different character and profile from a different person.
 
MrUnderlord said:
Omg, that's so funny)

That's why this site cannot be used as something that can provide weighty arguments. Only to draw grains of information and no more.
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That's exactly what I'm saying. I don't care for other profiles you keep bringing up. I'm only talking about that specific Root profile.
 
Wait. I found info, that Gates of all possible dimensions reach across ALL of time and space (Yog exist far beyond it) and that Yog far surpasses Solomon, who is 1-C, and that no nonfictional mage (that includes users of First and Fifth magic) can hope to stand against him. Doesn't that mean that Yog is Low 1-A or even higher in Nasuverse?
 
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MrUnderlord said:
Wait. I found info, that Gates of all possible dimensions reach across ALL of time and space (Yog exist far beyond it) and that Yog far surpasses Solomon, who is 1-C, and that no nonfictional mage (that includes users of First and Fifth magic) can hope to stand against him. Doesn't that mean that Yog is Low 1-A or even higher in Nasuverse?
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Scans?
 
Alright. I just finished reading the entire cosmology of the Nasuverse from the CSAP site and read the Root's and Shiki's profiles. I had to go through it like three times.

A lot of explanations were added for the Root and Shiki that were not on this website. Most of the stuff I was talking about was also written on that page. To say the least, the Nasuverse cosmology on that website is not as wide or broad as this website's Nasuverse cosmology. But that website has a lot more details on the major aspects of Nasuverse cosmology compared to this website. For instance, CSAP deeply explains the platonic concepts and how each concept traces on immeasurably to their primordial beginnings. That's something this vsbw has never explained. CSAP also explained how the Akashic records differ from the Swirl of the Root/True Emptiness. Meanwhile, Vsbw thinks they are the same thing. What surprises me the most is that CSAP showed way better scans and contexts, explaining almost every single point better. It explains taiji, wuji, etc., better than vsbw. It even gives some info on the Outer Gods tiering as well.

I think the staff members here for Nasuverse should look at it and try to add whatever missing details this site needs because, as of right now, Nasuverse's cosmology is way easier to understand using CSAP than using VSBW.

https://character-stats-and-profile...:Theoretical_Toxic/Nasuverse_Metaphysics_Blog
https://character-stats-and-profile..._the_Root_(Canon)/Theoretical_Toxic?so=search
 
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Tdjwo said:
Scans?
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MrUnderlord said:
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Hmmm..this looks interesting.

Guess we would have to let more knowledgeable members to share their opinion on this. This looks like at least High 1-B to Low 1A for Yog-Sothoth IMO. The CSAP wiki from the Nasuverse cosmology blog puts him at 1A tho. So idk.
 
Tdjwo said:
Hmmm..this looks interesting.

Guess we would have to let more knowledgeable members to share their opinion on this. This looks like at least High 1-B to Low 1A for Yog-Sothoth IMO. The CSAP wiki from the Nasuverse cosmology blog puts him at 1A tho. So idk.
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Well, that's at least not High 1-B if we remember that the Yog lies beyond all possible spaces (Spaces includes dimensions) and times (Low 1-A). And that's only for "Six Gates". Ultimate Gate lies beyond the First Gate, that lies beyond the Six Gates.

NOTE: do NOT confuse Dreamlands and Imaginary Number Space. Dreamlands lies beyond the physical being (The Rose's Slumber: B
A deep sleep that leads one to the divine depths of the land of dreams. The fragrant roses and waves of intense heat release the target's mind from its physical being.), but Imaginary Number Space is steel to be a part of physical world of Fate/EXTRA
 
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MrUnderlord said:
character-stats-and-profiles.fandom.com

Abigail Williams (Canon, Foreigner)/RetroWeeeb

Foreigner is a Foreigner-class Pseudo Servant summoned by Ritsuka Fujimaru in Fate/Grand Order. Foreigner's True Name is Abigail Williams, the first of a series of children whose accusations would lead to the infamous Salem Witch Trials. Due to the machinations of the Demon God Piller Raum...
character-stats-and-profiles.fandom.com character-stats-and-profiles.fandom.com
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I made that profile ages ago when I first got into Nasuverse stuff outside of the anime. Ignore any of the outerversal stuff/connections between outer gods and the root, I don't agree with that anymore. I cringe so hard looking at that profile.

Wait. I found info, that Gates of all possible dimensions reach across ALL of time and space (Yog exist far beyond it) and that Yog far surpasses Solomon, who is 1-C, and that no nonfictional mage (that includes users of First and Fifth magic) can hope to stand against him. Doesn't that mean that Yog is Low 1-A or even higher in Nasuverse?
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The "all possible dimensions" stuff is actually accepted on the site, but is used to treat the outer gods as 7-D, possibly 9-D (compared to every other character who's only 6-D, possibly 8-D). I don't think any of it has been applied to the profiles tho. This also means that Yog already scales above Solomon anyway, but the quote about non-fictional mages is nice supporting evidence.
 
Tdjwo said:
Alright. I just finished reading the entire cosmology of the Nasuverse from the CSAP site and read the Root's and Shiki's profiles. I had to go through it like three times.

A lot of explanations were added for the Root and Shiki that were not on this website. Most of the stuff I was talking about was also written on that page. To say the least, the Nasuverse cosmology on that website is not as wide or broad as this website's Nasuverse cosmology. But that website has a lot more details on the major aspects of Nasuverse cosmology compared to this website. For instance, CSAP deeply explains the platonic concepts and how each concept traces on immeasurably to their primordial beginnings. That's something this vsbw has never explained. CSAP also explained how the Akashic records differ from the Swirl of the Root/True Emptiness. Meanwhile, Vsbw thinks they are the same thing. What surprises me the most is that CSAP showed way better scans and contexts, explaining almost every single point better. It explains taiji, wuji, etc., better than vsbw. It even gives some info on the Outer Gods tiering as well.

I think the staff members here for Nasuverse should look at it and try to add whatever missing details this site needs because, as of right now, Nasuverse's cosmology is way easier to understand using CSAP than using VSBW.

https://character-stats-and-profile...:Theoretical_Toxic/Nasuverse_Metaphysics_Blog
https://character-stats-and-profile..._the_Root_(Canon)/Theoretical_Toxic?so=search
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Most nasu stuff and supperters saw this already saw this and... this isn't that much better than seth video so you can ignore this
 
RetroWeeeb said:
The "all possible dimensions" stuff is actually accepted on the site, but is used to treat the outer gods as 7-D, possibly 9-D (compared to every other character who's only 6-D, possibly 8-D). I don't think any of it has been applied to the profiles tho. This also means that Yog already scales above Solomon anyway, but the quote about non-fictional mages is nice supporting evidence.
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Well, "all possible dimension" is now considered as CONFIRMED existed dimensions, but stuff about that Six Gates reaches across all time and space makes it different I think.
 
Ubdon said:
Most nasu stuff and supperters saw this already saw this and... this isn't that much better than seth video so you can ignore this
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Oh. That's sad. What exactly was the issue with the cosmology blog? Just a quick summary of why they concluded that it wasn't reliable.
 
And, by the way, if the Root exists on the top of the dimensional theory, does it not mean that there are at least infinite-dimensional spaces in the Nasuverse?
 
MrUnderlord said:
And, by the way, if the Root exists on the top of the dimensional theory, does it not mean that there are at least infinite-dimensional spaces in the Nasuverse?
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No, not really. Depends on which dimensional theories exist and work inside the verse, but at least we know that even if there was an infinite amount of said dimensions, it would still be below the Root.
 
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