@IMade
1.)I have replied to response, multiple ******* times in both threads. I'm extremely irritated because you keep saying this false bullshit about me when all it takes is to scroll the **** up and read the damn thread(s). So yes, it must be too hard to scroll up for you since you clearly haven't done so.
And I'm not going to be posting new scans because we've both posted the SAME damn scans multiple times now.
2.)In regards to Sasuke tanking a Limbos hit, yes, that is exactly what happens. For starters, I don't know if think you're talking to Elementary School kids or just someone who is blind, but anybody can see through the BS you're claiming here. You are the one making assumptions here. For starters,
the scan doesn't even show Sasuke completing a swing.
Facts:
- Sasuke has his sword raised on his right side.
- He's knocked back with his sword lowered on his right side.
Here is your misconception about the feat:
- If Sasuke had made a successful swing his sword would be lowered to his left or lowered to his right at AN ANGLE DIRECTLY CORRELATING TO THE IMPACT AREA And neither are the case.
Factually, Sasukes arms are not at angles to suggest he intercepted with his Chidori Blade. This is not an assumptions, it's a fact, look at the damn scan. His arms are at angles suggesting he was hit / braced to be hit. Sasuke has no visible damage because, he's physically comparable to Naruto (
Which is Consistently Portrayed across all Boruto Mediums: Novels, Movies, Anime, and the movie is a direct portrayal of the characters from both Kishi and Kodachi while the anime is a portrayal overseen and approved by Kodachi himself)
I have made no assumptions here, only you IMade, and it offends me when you claim I have when clearly i have not. So when you invoke "Occams Razor", it actually works against you as you are making the assumptions that:
- Sasuke Swung his sword (Which is not shown)
- Sasuke Intercepted a Limbo with his sword (Which the scan factually disproves as the angles of his arms don't match this nition you're pushing)
In conclusion for this feat, your argument here is headcanon and disproven by the scan itself.
3.)SPSM isn't a Significant boost, as proven several times now, let's look at the Power Sets:
- Base Naruto = 50% Hagoromo Chakra
- Base SPSM = 50% Hagoromo Chakra (Naruto only used the Individual Chakra of the Biju Here for Ninjutsu only)
- SPSM Chakra Mode (War Arc) = 50% Hagoromo Chakra + Fractions of Biju 1-8 Chakras + 50% Kyuubi Chakra
- SPSM Chakra Mode (Boruto Era) = 50% Hagoromo Chakra + 100% Kyuubi Chakra
Note: Combining the Chakra of All biju results in Six Paths Chakra. So War Arc SPSM Chakra Mode has an Unquantifiable Fractio
of Additional SPC when using all of the Biju's Chakra, not significant enough make a difference. And 100% Kurama's Chakra is 6-B, which is an insignificant addition to 5-B Energy, so SPSM Chakra Mode Naruto from Boruto's era is insignificantly stronger than even his base, let alone Sasuke.
So, Yes, Base Naruto's AP and Durability are Equal to SPSM Chakra Mode with the War Arc Version being an
Unquantifiable Fractio above his Base and Sasuke and Boruto Era version being insignificantly stronger due to Kurama's Chakra Mode.
All of this means, yes, SPSM is not a "significant boost" nor is my argument anywhere near "baseless", meaning Kaguya tossing Naruto and Sasuke and hurting both is a legitimate 5-B feat for both Naruto and Sasuke.
Regarding your Momoshiki fight analysis, it doesn't change what I said. SPSM Chakra Mode here is insignificantly stronger than his Base due to an additionsl 6-B energy. Base Naruto wasn't on the offensive against Momoshiki. He blocked a hit, tanked a hit and dodged 2 hits before needing his Chakra mode to close the speed gap, because yes, that's the only thing it enhances.
Base Naruto throughout the entire series has been overall slower than Base Sasuke. This is best illustrated in VoTE 2 where both Dashed at Each other at the same time, but Naruto barely moved 5 feet whereas Sasuke moved from Mafara's head to Hashirama's. Momoshiki is comparable to Chakra Mode Naruto and Sasuke in speed, Base Naruto can only react, but reaction alone is not enough to keep up completely. This is illustrated in the Manga and excellently portrayed in the Boruto Anime (Which Kep himself accepts as Supporting Canon, yet you continue to ignore...)
Facts:
- Sasuke has 2 legitimate 5-B Durability feats
- Sasuke is consistently portrayed as Physically equal to SPSM Chakra Mode Naruto and Momoshiki by both the creatot of the series and author of Boruto.
- SPSM Chakra Mode is not a Significant boost over His Base or Sasuke
- Base Naruto is shown comparable to Sasuke Physically in all but Speed
Let's examine the fights now you're trying to use to mislead people.
Vs Madara:
- Both Naruto and Sasuke injured the same Madara (Single Rinnegan Eye JJ Madara)
- Naruto destroyed Madara's Meteors and Fought his Limbos
- Sasuke Destroyed a Single Meteor and Tanked a hit from his Limbos.
This doesn't prove Naruto is stronger than Sasuke. How many times do I have to tell you, AoE =/= AP, and yes, your argument about the meteors attempts to Assert that Because Naruto could destroy more meteors at once than Sasuke, he's supperior....no. Naruto simply has better AoE. And in regards to him taking on the Limbos, Sasuke doesn't use Shadow Clones. It makes sense Naruto would take them on 4 v 4 and not 4 v 1. This doesn't prove Naruto is superior, just that he has a better arsenal in these situations.
Vs Kaguya:
- Naruto has faster reaction speed than Sasuke, sure.
- Naruto has abilities that can amplify his Stats, Sasuke doesn't. Sure. Sasuke is still Equal to SPSM Naruto w/o Steam Release.
- Naruto Blitzing and Ripping off Kaguya's arm is an outlier. Especially when his strongest technique is only able to do superficial damage to her, once she has wasted a lot of Chakra and Stamina. Further more, Before this, Naruto couldn't even scratch her while being amped by Steam Release when she was holding back against him.
- In regards to the Chakra punch clashes, Naruto was going all out against Kaguya Holding Back with a Smirk and still overpowered him.
Naruto outperforms Sasuke against, Kaguya, not going to front, but nothing that Suggests he's superior. Sasuke with PS could fight Kaguya 1 v 1 for a short time, even tanking her Physical assault while Obito was dying. It was only destroyed when she resulted to use Chakra Blasts (Ninjutsu) which again, exceeds Physical capabilities.
No, nothing Suggests Naruto can "easily" destroy Sasuke's PS.
- His Best Feats against Kaguya is Steam Release (Again, Kaguya was holding Back and unharmed by a Direct Hit) and his Strongest Jutsu which Caused Superficial Damage to a weakened Kaguya (Same Kaguya Sasuke could Fight 1 v 1 before forcing her to use Ninjutsu.
In VoTE 2, Sasuke without Susanoo could hurt Naruto. Naruto needed Kurama's full Avatar match PS. Granted Naruto didn't have Killing Intent, he was holding back too much as they both where clash with Jutsu capable of harming both their Avatars, to which Sasuke claims isn't close to enough to beat him.
So, while Naruto outperforms against Kaguya, he's nowhere near strong enough to beat Sasuke casually or easily, this is headcanon.
Again, SPSM Chakra Mode Naruto (War Arc) is only stronger than Sasuke by an Unquantifiable Fractio and again, the Movie and Anime's portrayal of the characters supports them being physically Equal. The Margine of Strength Naruto has above Sasuke is very small. Negligible in fact.
4.)Idgaf about Base Momoshiki my dude. Only mentioned him once, and even then, saying he's not 5-B for casual feats is asinine. For starts, Base Naruto is 5-B physically, proven above.
Second, throughout chapter 5 of Boruto, we see Naruto, enhanced by Sasuke's Chakra physically straining against Momoshiki's Ninjutsu. And in chapter 6, despite Naruto being Stated to be able to Easily Obliterate Momoshiki's strongest attack with his own Ninjutsu, it still harms Naruto physically.
As I have stated before and proven in the Manga since chapter 1 of Naruto, a users Ninjutsu AP > their Physical AP.
- Base Momoshiki Physical AP/Durability is whatever, idc, his Jutsu AP > SPSM Chakra Mode Naruto Physical Durability (Facts).
- Naruto's Ninjutsu AP in General (Base and SPSM Chakra Mode) > Momoshiki's Ninjutsu AP and Physical Durability.
- Fused Momoshiki's Ninjutsu AP > Naruto's Physical Stats. Fused Momoshiki's Physical Stats ~ Naruto's Physical Stats
- PS Kyuubi > Fused Momoshiki's Ninjutsu AP / Durability
This is because Base Naruto and His SPSM Chakra Mode both have Hagoromo's 50% Chakra. The Chakra Mode just adds Kurama's Chakra ontop of that, which is negligible and only serves to amplify his speed. This is why Momoshiki was such a hindrance. It's PIS that Naruto didn't Finish him with his Chakra Punch like Toneri. Even without Nature Energy added, his chakra was enough to oneshot him already and Sasuke was strong enough to Oneshot both Kinshiki and Momoshiki tbf as he akso has 50% Hagoromo's Chakra.
The entire fight was PIS, but Momoshiki isn't 7-A. You can keep claiming that all you want. His travel speed is no indication of power, so it's stupid to bring it up in the first place, Naruto characters without Cloaks are susceptible to Cutting / Piercing attacks, so him blocking attacks that do that is backed by precedence, taking out the Kages is a casual showing of power. By no means his cap physically. He's already hurt Sasuke and Naruto Physically. Portrayed in both movie and anime to be physically comparable.
Like what more do you want? To be spoon fed like a ******* baby?
On top of that, Striking Scales from Durability, not the other way around. Saying anything otherwise unless a verse has specifically shown otherwise is asinine and idiotic.
Just like IRL, your Striking is at least comparable to your durability. Striking can exceed durability, it's just you can't scale durability from striking. The entire point of Taijutsu is to physically harm your opponent. Even in IRL, Boxing, Jujitsu, MMA, etc. Denying this is a essentially denying reality itself. How about you prove Taijutsu isn't meant for Ninja to physically harm one another? Infact, bring several instances of Striking not scaling from durability in Naruto.
5.)Finally, the scaling:
- SPSM Chakra Mode Naruto scales to 5-B physically for his own feats
- Sasuke Scales to 5-B physically for tanking Limbos attacks and Kaguya's toss.
- Base Naruto Scales From Sasuke
- Fused Momoshiki scales from SPSM Chakra Mode Naruto
So no, it's not "Circular", you only claim that when you ask for direct striking feats and we provide.
- Base Naruto matched Sasuke
- Sasuke has 5-B Durability feats
- Momoshiki Could hurt Sasuke Physically
- Base Naruto could Keep up with Momoshiki for awhile
And again, the portrayal of the characters in the Anime and Movie supports me. You are only working under assumptions....
Link to One of My Previous Posts you ignored:
https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2286211#85
