Amexim said:
We already went over how the Anime is supplemental— and you tried to use it for your arguments too.
I used an anime event that occurred in the manga to describe what was happening. I didn't ever use anime original content that isn't from the canon manga.
In the anime, we have Momoshiki being able to block attacks from Naruto in SOSP, and being able to pose a threat to Naruto even in that form would make him 5-B as well.
For anime Momoshiki, sure, but not manga Momoshiki.
If not, it's more likely Naruto wouldn't bother dodging his strikes— and you love using scenes where a character dodges something to suggest they're threatened by it, right?
Naruto upon using the Sage of Six Paths cloak never dodges Fused Momoshiki's strikes to suggest he would be threatened by Fused Momo's physical strikes.
Sasuke wasn't fodder to Kaguya. What is your evidence for saying that? Wild.
I can tell you didn't read my comment then, you should go do that since you seem lost:
Sasuke:
Naruto:
Not even close, Sasuke was pathetic against Kaguya and Naruto was the only one who tagged her, injured her and was keeping up with her speed wise. As we can see in both fights, Sasuke is using Rinne-Sharingan and Perfect Susano'o while Naruto is literally only using Sage of Six Paths Mode (no Kurama summoned once)... Yet Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o is casually destroyed by Kaguya in 1-4 hits while Naruto can trade fist with her and even overpower her, rip her arm off and injure her notably.
And, again, if Momoshiki and Kinshki were 7-A, they would also be MHS— and it seems like with that Gaara "reacting to the blitz" shit, you also think even Fused Momoshiki is MHS, huh?
Maybe if you read my previous comment you'd know (hint, Sage of Six Paths Naruto for sure was faster than him given he caught Fused Momo's strike mid swing and countered him).
Doesn't match the fact that Sasuke, who is unquestionably Relativistic, has been reacted to by Kinshiki and Base Momo. By your estimations, Sasuke should have stomped Kinshiki, no difficulty.
Sasuke could have simply just used Susano'o and yeah he would have stomped. Kinshiki has no feats comparable given that I listed all of Kinshiki's feats above.
If what you're saying is true, what kind of term does that fall under? PIS? WIS? Oh, that's right— you conviently manipulate the terms and definitions that you define on your own— terms that the community has a broad definition for, but not an explicit, specific one that is as rigidly followed as you do- the fact that we're calling this an outlier while you say it isn't isn't proof that we don't know what an outlier is.
I don't manipulate the terms and definitions, I simply copy / paste them. Apparently you just don't like realizing that that the application of such terms in this instance would not be viable.
It's proof that "outlier" in the context of powerscaling isn't exactly the same as the dictionary definition in a rigid and exclusive manner— just as PIS and WIS are thrown around at times to illustrate that there's a problem with the scaling due to inconsistencies with some things— and that those things are so important that they can't be overlooked.
No, outlier is the same definition through and through, the battleboard definition of outlier is the same as the real definition.
An outlier is a thing or group that is entirely different from a larger group. 5-B feats for Base Momoshiki and Kinshiki would be outliers as I explained above.
The fact that you're bending definitions around to make your argument "irrefutable" is frustrating and aggravating, because no one is buying that. What you are doing is spinning a badly written fight into a legitimate one by citing multiple "anti-feats" in the same context as if they weren't in the same situation to begin with. Keep in mind that the entire situation is questionable from the perspective of people who don't initially agree with your premise— so you're not convincing anyone. I might as well use EVERY frame from the anime as proof, since we're gonna cite individual scenes from the same fight, even though the whole source is questionable.
I got 7 Kudos in my comment, several agreements in the previous thread and this thread.
It's so blatantly consistent how their 7-A feats line up with the rarity of 5-B for the Base feats making the 5-B outliers (and only Kinshiki has 5-B feats in Base for durability while Base Momoshiki has none).
Here is my comment so you can read it over again and catch up, I literally went over and explained things you just complained about here in detail with scans.
