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Yeah, even I were to "downplay" Naruto, Tier 7 definitely isn't where I'd land. I don't think one can go below Tier 6 in good faith.
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
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Tbf it's not like Naruto blew up a planet on screen or something, so most of his scaling heavily relies on interpretations and calcs (which themselves can be very debatable as well). Especially if you're really conservative with scaling or just don't buy calcs in general
I once had a guy claim Allmight punched harder than Naruto because Allmight can destroy buildings with the shockwaves of his punches and Naruto can't. He wasn't stupid or anything he was just bad at scaling since he took DC over everything else.
I once had a guy claim Allmight punched harder than Naruto because Allmight can destroy buildings with the shockwaves of his punches and Naruto can't. He wasn't stupid or anything he was just bad at scaling since he took DC over everything else.
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If we went with DC only, the verse wouldn't be Tier 7.
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Yep. Bijudama and Juubidara's balls would be the absolute minimum for me for GTs.
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I mean even DC can be heavily debatable. Especially scaling DC of stuff like TBBs to physical punches, when you don't know how to scale.
Where do you think the verse would get to purely off of DC?
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Worst thing I've ever read.
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Well, his arguments weren't limited to physicals anyway.
But like even if you just "eyeballed" certain feats without any calcs whatsoever it's quite clear they're above Tier 7. The Juubidamas and some ct feats are an obvious example. Then there's the moon slicer.
Ignoring Toneri's moon slicer and Hagoromo's Telekinesis, probably somewhere in the High 6-B to High 6-A range. And I'm leaning towards the latter because there's quite a few calcs that land in that 6-A to High 6-A region. Also consistent with the lore since we have a couple of continent busting statements.
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Personally speaking, I think the author wrote the god tiers to just be moon to planetary with broken (non combat app) creation feats. Anything above is just us using powerscaling mumbo jumbo and anything below tier 6 is just cope.
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Behold the Otsutsuki: destroyers of worlds and devourers of stars, wielding power that reshapes the universe! The clan of the gods
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Yeah the constant "imma destroy the planet LOL" statements with all the on-screen moon related shenanigans in the war and TL make the moon-planet tier seem like the intended level for the characters.
It's also kinda why I don't fw the tier 4 stuff. We wouldn't be getting constant planetary statements and have characters be shocked Nard survived a moon cutting attack if bro was 4-B
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Well, his arguments weren't limited to physicals anyway.
But like even if you just "eyeballed" certain feats without any calcs whatsoever it's quite clear they're above Tier 7. The Juubidamas and some ct feats are an obvious example. Then there's the moon slicer.
Ignoring Toneri's moon slicer and Hagoromo's Telekinesis (and I guess Telekinesis feats in general), probably somewhere in the High 6-B to High 6-A range. And I'm leaning towards the latter because there's quite a few calcs that land in that 6-A to High 6-A region. Also consistent with the lore since we have a couple of continent busting statements.
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you're just memeing at this point arent you
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I don't see any on screen or on panel feats of these successes and achievements
Bah! Fan made guesswork calcs!? Hawk-Tuah!
Hyperbolic Flowery Statements
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i need to see Hiruzen blow up pluto
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I wonder which year naruto got to tier 5 or did he start with the curse of tier 5 and never got the chance to escape it
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It’s the Tenseigan Low-5B?
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tbh i dont see 6A calcs unless youre really inflating the already accepted 6C~6B stuff
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Sasuke and Naruto final clash would at least be in the 6A range
Naruto destroying Madara meteors are also in that range if not H6A.
Same as sasuke slicing them apart
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Would this be useful for Potential TPC calcs of the Tornados?
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Kinetic Energy of Tornadoes in the United States | Tyler Fricker
Tornadoes can cause catastrophic destruction. Here total kinetic energy (TKE) as a metric of destruction is computed from the fraction of the tornado path experiencing various damage levels and a characteristic wind speed for each level. The fraction of the path is obtained from a model...
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No. Pretty close, though.
Not all of them are calced, and not all of the calced ones are on the verse page. But they exist.
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guess someone's gotta have to dig hard for those feats
would be cool to if we ever got the shippuden mid tiers to multi cont.
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Depends what you mean by "mid tiers" lol.
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I don't think muti continental is possible ( although I've seen multi continental pain CT calc). But personally i got them at country to large country level
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ok let me rephrase
it would be ideal to get the gokage tier characters to multi cont
but having it on the Juubito tier characters wont be too bad either
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me : yo Vsbw can we have multi continental 5 kage?
vsbw : we have multi continental 5 kage at home
the H6A approved 5 kage at home :
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No, like, I was genuinely curious what you meant by mid tiers, cause it varies from person to person.
So you want High 6-A Bijū level characters.
It's pretty damn unlikely to be honest.
6-B/High 6-B is a more realistic highball.
I agree. I actually have Juubito way higher than his current rating.
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I like to see it as
God Tiers - people that scale to kaguya
high Tiers- juubito kcm2sm naruto, ems sasuke with senjutsu
mid tiers - raikage, edo madara, HH tsunade, kcm1 naruto, pain, itachi
low Tiers- weaker akatsuki or lesser important combatants
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Madara's susano's universal statement was using shinra bansho instead of uchu which means -all things- more than it does universe
could that statement be used to get it above pain's CT? since a less controversial interpretation is it being leagues above everything we've seen in the story till that point
could that statement be used to get it above pain's CT? since a less controversial interpretation is it being leagues above everything we've seen in the story till that point
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Even the focus on Earth in Dragon Ball highlights the importance of details and storyline. In the Naruto universe, the only significant reason for threatening anything beyond a planet was Kaguya and her Expansive Truth-Seeking Orb (ETSO). Toneri, on the other hand, had no reason for destroying anything beyond Earth. His plan was to annihilate the planet, and recreate it from scratch, if Naruto hadn’t intervened he would have done just that. Furthermore, Earth is treated as a valuable asset, as shown by the Otsutsuki clan’s need to report on it, indicating its uniqueness compared to other planets. It begs the question: what would an Otsutsuki gain from destroying Earth or the main universe when they rely on harvesting its chakra, it makes not sense plot wise, however it does not limit them to planetary alone.
Casual feats ignored in boruto/naruto,
1. Momoshiki created his dimension
2. Isshiki shaking his dimension in the fight with koji. (shaky)
3. Naruto causing tears in space
4. Kaguya casually shifting the main universe to bring her own dimensions.
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1) idk why that one keeps getting rejected, even the conservative calcs are all reasonable
2) this could be argued since its not like the typical shook the world text but instead say dimension implying it might be usable
3) bare minnimum this should be star level since narutos chakra is causing space time curvature past what the normal outerspace is capable of
4) UES issue lol
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It already scales far above Pain's CT.
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Nah
I know like 2 off the top of my head (Madara's Danmaku CTs and Narusuke country busting statements)
They aren’t well known because the characters with the feats are already tier 5
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Madara Susano = 15.55 Gigatons
Pain's CT = 46.6 Gigatons
I'm saying Madara should scale tot he full value not 1/3rd
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Oh that sucks i thought we had pre hagoromo stuff to use
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That's his basic Susanoo, his Perfect Susanoo is higher
MinatoSparkle
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I remember I uses to have Hidan at High 6-A
