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As soon as I get comfortable and think I’m free!!That is not the semantical part. It's quite simply true that it'd be bad for Minato to have reached Obito first. It's simply true that had he done that, Obito would've used Kamui, and then FTG level 2 wouldn't have worked.
Or he held back his speed in order to get Minato away by forcing him to teleport. This isn't a provable subject either way, just like Minato and Obito's interaction.
These instances together support Obito being relative, not faster, even by the marginal amount you're claiming.
Again, the semantics lies in whether Minato did hold back or not, it's not semantics whether it was ideal for Minato to attack slower. The former requires interpretation, the latter is simply obvious from thinking about what would've happened otherwise.
It doesn't require him to hold back his speed if he's already slower, but it requires Obito to remain solid and not switch to phasing pre-emptively.
This is going in circles
So you're saying that statements aren't valid without feats? Guess Momoshiki's a Kaguya victim after all.
Let's look at the other speed interactions they had for a moment.
- Minato grabs Naruto before Obito can strike him (I'm not particularly compelled by this feat but you are so I'll take it into account), and while Shunshin aided him in crossing the distance, grabbing Naruto before Obito stabbed him is all combat speed
- Minato reacts to Obito's sneak attack, attacking first (might be valid or invalid depending on whether you think Obito is going full speed), and Obito turns his hand over, adjusting it a few centimetres to catch Minato's arm, which is a reaction speed feat, and doesn't require being on par in the first place as he's moving considerably less than Minato
- With Minato being at least somewhat offguard after phasing through Obito (note Minato's "!!" reaction), Obito tags him while actually being aided by Minato's own speed as he's moving in the direction of Obito's chains
So the previous interactions absolutely don't prove he's equal to Minato in speed. Obito's feats against him are not enough to establish that Minato was going full speed at the end, which is the only true relativity interaction they have. Saying magically is also disingenuous as you're acting like it's not based on statements
Give me a good argument that Obito is faster than Minato and you would have a valid point. You don't need evidence to counter evidence without validity, you just need to show why the argument doesn't go through.
My goal rn is to explain why your argument doesn't hold up. After we've concluded the discussion around the validity of this argument, I can bring them up (though they're certainly not enough if this discussion doesn't convince you in the end).
I get combat, but where do you get movement from?
No, there are literally more possibilities in favor of Minato~/>Obito than Obito~>Minato numerically.
If Obito had a speed of 100 and Minato had a speed of like 95-99, the interaction would've played out like it did. But Minato could have a speed of anywhere from 100 to several hundred, and the interaction also would've played out like it did. Obviously the numbers are only a rough estimate, but the general idea is just that it's statistically improbable for Obito to be faster than Minato because there are fewer possibilities where it is the case.
This is not how equal interpretation works. You're making a claim about Obito's speed, so the burden of proof is on you. If I simply demonstrate that the chances of your claim being true are 50%, then the argument doesn't go through from your side. I don't need evidence (even though I have provided plenty), I need simply to cast reasonable doubt on your claim.
Are you referring to them reaching for each other and how the anime makes Minato move his arm faster than Obito?
I never said to a significant degree, but regardless of what degree, nothing other than this incredibly interpretable interaction supports him being any distance faster.
You haven't properly addressed the fact that Minato would've attacked the same way no matter how fast he was. You pretty much just said that it's an on screen feat so it should be used, which misses the point. You also ignored the short story that demonstrated why Minato outspeeding Obito would be bad. It's a more tangential point, but you also ignored Minato's combat speed>>Obito's movement speed.
And what I was referring to more generally is that you weren't directly responding to what I said in my previous message
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