That's not how karma works. And I don't even believe in it.
"Those damn Uchihas deserve what happened to them!"
No one's argument was whether or not the ends justified the means. It was whether or not he had a better option. He did not.
The immediate threat was Root, an entire organization led by one of the few guys in the village who could probably kill him.
Yeah, that's Danzo shit. Too bad Itachi wasn't the one in charge of the situation. I sincerely doubt he agreed with Danzo, he just wanted there to be 2 survivors, which is more than 0.
Karma? Uchiha? Peak?
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Karma? V1? or V2? Borushiki or kawashiki.
Then they're gonna save those up for "Ruruto Three Red Spiral New Age Hurricane"
Definitely not
Yeah, no, definitely not.
Here's a thought. The Shinju are big on base instinct vs intelligence right? They are prolly the least evolved inteligent species. Otsutsuki consider themselves at the other end of this spectrum and consider every other species as inferior creatures. What if in a turn of events we find out that the need for becoming an Otsutsuki god was just their base instinct all along and they were created this way to balance out the forces of creation. They just can't help it. And Shibai only realised this after ascension. This would make a great opportunity for introducing a new Otsutsuki who is free from this instinct and is ready to betray the clan. This would bring more variety too. Kaguya so far would be the only one to show any conflict within her between her instincts and her love for her children.
And it's pretty interesting that she also became a Shinju herself. Interesting
This would be an epic war arc.
(This is regarding the scene where Hinata slaps Kawaki):
so is killing the uchiha, so is leaving the village, becoming a rogue shinobi ect ect, those are things hokages have allowed, the immediate threats are danzo,the elders and the Fugaku and co.
the root isnt strong enough to overthrow the entire uchiha clan+the hidden leaf, which is why they had to work in secret with underhanded tactics, Danzo only became hokage after Tsunade fell into a coma
yes it is, the elders can cry fowl all they want, they advisors not dictators, hokage's can ignore their advice.
no he wasnt, he was actively opposed to it and along with itachi were planning to deescalated the situation, he "ran out of time" because of danzo's fear mongering, the death of shisui and the approaching date of the coup, most of which wouldnt be applicable if measures are taken to target the immediate threats early on.
He wouldnt need to attack the hokage
he wasnt even capable of killing off a single uchiha member out of fear of itachi leaking critical information to the other villages, something Itachi would still have access to regardless of him slicing up children or not
No its not ,its garbage rhetoric thats used to justify genocide, people are not homogenized beings tied to pre determinism, they individuals with their own choices, and snuffing that autonomy behind the the guise of "realism" is exactly what IRL genocide sympathizers do, so no he wasnt correct
you dont have to hide the history at all, because there is a very stark difference in eliminating those inciting violence for control that you cant detain normally and not killing everyone else, which would include uchiha that you could detain or are not hostile.
you dont have to hide it
the solution is not to murder every man,woman and child, you realize not every single member of the uchiha is Itachi or Madara, is possible to descalte the situtation even in conflict by incapacitation not just murder?
there being examples doesnt stop it from being a falalcious generalization thats supported by fear mongering, you can apply this to any single living human, anyone has the potential to do good or bad but its not your place to take that persons atonomy away based on guess work, thats why its illogical and bad.
all those could have been achieved by what i said already
no? thats headcanon lol
they would only have to go inside Itachi's mind which he would happily agree to if it meant descalating the situtation
no?
this doesnt work in a context of a ficitonal story where everything is written with a purpose for the reader to take away. ontop of that, even if it was a potential solution verus one that would 100% work, the fact that those options existed and no thought was given to them or even attempted is what makes it bad.
this doesnt work either, we are talking about the context within the story but if you want to appeal to realisim then that makes it significantly worse because the structure of the conflict is based things that are not realistic at all, the uchiha massacre would never have happened because the uchiha would never attempt a coup if we were to apply rational logistics here.
Theres no reason to assume that, Fugaku backing off may have bought them enough time to come to actual agreement .
What do yall think
I agree with the morals and sentiment you present (Obviously, lol), but I do highly disagree with your assessment of the certain things, as well as the situation they were in. They were well beyond doing things you presented, imo, as possibly off-ramps to deescalation. Fact is, Danzou was fear-mongering and that doesn’t change. The Elders were “eldering” as they do, and Hiruzen wasn’t effective in diplomacy. And the Uchiha were already prepared and riled up. All of this is fact and I don’t think someone in Itachi’s position had better alternatives.
Got me in a chokehold!!
Tbf, obito was pulling the strings from behind the scenes and was controlling one of the louder uchiha dissidents
Read hundreds of manga, novels and TV shows
You are entitled to your opinion. Even if it's ass. (Or you managed to consistently indulge in mid shows, so a good show seems like the best)
Correct, that title belongs to Boruto: Naruto Next Generations.
crazy how people cant fathom the idea of people appreciating a series above others and have to force the idea that it is mediocre trash
That is not the semantical part. It's quite simply true that it'd be bad for Minato to have reached Obito first. It's simply true that had he done that, Obito would've used Kamui, and then FTG level 2 wouldn't have worked.
Or he held back his speed in order to get Minato away by forcing him to teleport. This isn't a provable subject either way, just like Minato and Obito's interaction.
These instances together support Obito being relative, not faster, even by the marginal amount you're claiming.
Again, the semantics lies in whether Minato did hold back or not, it's not semantics whether it was ideal for Minato to attack slower. The former requires interpretation, the latter is simply obvious from thinking about what would've happened otherwise.
It doesn't require him to hold back his speed if he's already slower, but it requires Obito to remain solid and not switch to phasing pre-emptively.
This is going in circles
So you're saying that statements aren't valid without feats? Guess Momoshiki's a Kaguya victim after all.
Let's look at the other speed interactions they had for a moment.
Give me a good argument that Obito is faster than Minato and you would have a valid point. You don't need evidence to counter evidence without validity, you just need to show why the argument doesn't go through.
My goal rn is to explain why your argument doesn't hold up. After we've concluded the discussion around the validity of this argument, I can bring them up (though they're certainly not enough if this discussion doesn't convince you in the end).
I get combat, but where do you get movement from?
No, there are literally more possibilities in favor of Minato~/>Obito than Obito~>Minato numerically.
This is not how equal interpretation works. You're making a claim about Obito's speed, so the burden of proof is on you. If I simply demonstrate that the chances of your claim being true are 50%, then the argument doesn't go through from your side. I don't need evidence (even though I have provided plenty), I need simply to cast reasonable doubt on your claim.
Are you referring to them reaching for each other and how the anime makes Minato move his arm faster than Obito?
I never said to a significant degree, but regardless of what degree, nothing other than this incredibly interpretable interaction supports him being any distance faster.I think you need to reread my arguments. You are making it sound as If I said Obito is just blatantly faster to a significant degree. Like bruh… It is clear, that they are mainly relative (Not Vaguely) with Obito being faster on an order of MILLIMETERS TO CENTIMETERS!!
You haven't properly addressed the fact that Minato would've attacked the same way no matter how fast he was. You pretty much just said that it's an on screen feat so it should be used, which misses the point. You also ignored the short story that demonstrated why Minato outspeeding Obito would be bad. It's a more tangential point, but you also ignored Minato's combat speed>>Obito's movement speed.
