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He was slightly superior to Itachi when he was still alive, but tbh I think that was mainly because Shisui was a bit older and because he had a Mangekyo Sharingan and Itachi didn't. But in terms of potential, skill, talent, etc, I think they're more or less dead even IMO.What's the reason for Shisui > Itachi?
Just based on their scaling to each other when they were both alive at the same time, Shisui was considered the strongest living Uchiha at the time. Makes sense considering he had the MS and a Humanoid Susano'o.What's the reason for Shisui > Itachi?
They're Hiruzen's classmates, so they should've been ~69-70 in Part I.Last chapter got me wondering how old these mfs are. They were old af in Shippuden and still hold their positions in the new era lmao
madara and orochimaro claiming immortality with so much amp meahwhile these MF just sitting and casually have true immortalityThey're Hiruzen's classmates, so they should've been ~69-70 in Part I.
This would make them 72 during Part II. 74 during The Last. 87 during NNG. And ~90 during TBV.
Ancient ass mfers
the correct answer would be to choose neither because danzo making him choose is a false dichotomy.Danzo was factually making him choose one.
"Do this and live or do nothing and die."the correct answer would be to choose neither because danzo making him choose is a false dichotomy.
just because Danzo gives you two options doesnt mean only two options exist.
"A false dichotomy (or false dilemma) is a logical fallacy where an argument presents two options as the only possible choices, ignoring other alternatives that may exist. It forces a situation into an either/or scenario when, in reality, there are more options or a more nuanced middle ground. This oversimplification often misleads the audience into thinking there are only two outcomes or courses of action.""Do this and live or do nothing and die."
"I pick neither! I won't do anything."
"So... the second?"
"Do this or I will kill you""A false dichotomy (or false dilemma) is a logical fallacy where an argument presents two options as the only possible choices, ignoring other alternatives that may exist. It forces a situation into an either/or scenario when, in reality, there are more options or a more nuanced middle ground. This oversimplification often misleads the audience into thinking there are only two outcomes or courses of action."
Wouldn't they be 77 in The Last since Shippuden takes place over the course of 3 years?They're Hiruzen's classmates, so they should've been ~69-70 in Part I.
This would make them 72 during Part II. 74 during The Last. 87 during NNG. And ~90 during TBV.
Ancient ass mfers
I think it's more like ~2 years give or take, or maybe even less. But you're right, I didn't take Part II's duration into account. So the elders could be like ~92-ish in TBV.Wouldn't they be 77 in The Last since Shippuden takes place over the course of 3 years?
its the best piece of fiction made by the hands of manwhat are some naruto/boruto hot takes you guys have thats not related to powerscaling?
Jura the edge lord
You should read moreits the best piece of fiction made by the hands of man
The Immediate Threats are the Elders and Danzou. Attacking them is Treason and War at that time. Deescalation isn’t possible in that Scenario. Even if you solely attacked Danzou, tue Root will not be quiet. Deescalation isn’t possible and the elders would cry foul ontop of that. Deescalation isn’t possible in that scenario either.in any case if you want a practical resolution , the answer would be to eliminate the immediate threats and then work on creating a safety net for deescalation.
Except Danzou was deadass serious & more then capable of making it happen, and he wasn’t wrong in what he told Itachi. The kids old enough to understand that LEAF NINJA are killing their family leads to animosity against them among their ranks (We’ve seen it happening in the middle east for decades, as well as in Africa, so it is definitely realistic and more then likely to happen). Children not old enough understand will grow to understand. It’s not realistic to think you can hide the fact it was an inside operation that killed your clan.the idea that every child or member of the clan down to the infant must be killed to avoid future uprising isnt pragmatic its fear mongering and used by people IRL to justify genocide, its also irrational and logically flawed, the argument frames killing as the only solution to prevent future hatred, which is a form of false dichotomy.
There weren’t numerous other approaches to be had. The situation was beyond that. The Uchiha had already been prepping for it and diplomacy had failed. THEY wanted control of the Government or at least substantial say in the Government by the time Itachi was presented the ultimatum. Anything other than a roadmap to that end wasn’t acceptable to the Uchiha and Danzou and the Elders weren’t having it (And Hiruzen wasn’t effective in Diplomacy). It left the Uchiha in limbo, growing bitter and bitter.It overlooks numerous other approaches, such as rehabilitation, education, diplomacy, or peaceful integration, which could address the root causes of hatred and prevent violence without resorting to atrocity.
Not True. Itachi had knowledge but no tangible evidence. The Uchiha would also reject the notion of having the Yamanakas dive into his mind and memories for obvious reasons. It would be just like how Boruto is right now.Itachi himself had the knowledge of Madara Uchiha which alone would have deescalated a lot of suspicion around the uchiha at the time
Iirc, it came off as more of a “maybe” then fact. And if we’re applying any level of realism to this, that would not suffice at all. At best it could get Fugaku to back off it, but all that would do is eventually lead to an Uchiha Civil War. Most likely with factions seeking to depose Fugaku.more importantly Itachi himself comes to understand that he made the wrong choice by suggesting that it was possible for sasuke to have changed the clan in a way that would have prevented this whole ordeal.
That would still result in the Leaf Civil War w/ threats of other Nations invading in the process and potential extermination of their clan w/ him AND Sasuke likely being Branded Rogue Nin with hits out for them.What if Itachi took Sasuke and fled? And let the villagers hash it out.
Itachi cared about the village very deeply, so he could never let that happen under any circumstances. He really was stuck between a rock and a hard place. The people who truly had the power to enact a different outcome were the Village elders and the Uchiha coup leaders. Itachi had no real say in the situation they put him in.What if Itachi took Sasuke and fled? And let the villagers hash it out.
Itachi really was balls deep in this mess smh.Itachi cared about the village very deeply, so he could let that happen under any circumstances. He really was stuck between a rock and a hard place. The people who truly had the power to enact a different outcome were the Village elders and the Uchiha coup leaders. Itachi had no real say in the situation they put him in.
Yeah, it was terrible lmao. Shisui really was his only hope there, but that rat bastard Danzo destroyed that one.Itachi really was balls deep in this mess smh.
Honestly? Danzo seems more evil than Zetsu sometimes. Bro had the potential to be the final villain. But I guess Sasuke raw dogging him was justice.Yeah, it was terrible lmao. Shisui really was his only hope there, but that rat bastard Danzo destroyed that one.
Yeah, it's why Sasuke vs Danzo is one of the most satisfying fights in all of Naruto. I'm convinced that Kishimoto came up with Izanagi solely to give Sasuke (and the reader) the catharsis of seeing Danzo die over and over again.Honestly? Danzo seems more evil than Zetsu sometimes. Bro had the potential to be the final villain. But I guess Sasuke raw dogging him was justice.
There are not as many plot holes in Naruto as the internet would like you to believewhat are some naruto/boruto hot takes you guys have thats not related to powerscaling?
An intelligent take from a Haise pfp is to be expected.There are not as many plot holes in Naruto as the internet would like you to believe
Madara's betrayal and death are essential to his character
Kaguya and BZ could've been better but I don't see them as series ruining as a lot of people do
A lot of character's arcs were finished in P1 hence their lack of "presence" in P2.
The anime added so much to Naruto franchise as a whole. Both for better and for worse.
Itachi is an inherently flawed character and you either have a side who glazes him to no end or a side that demonizes him for being a child soldier.
A lot of characters in Naruto are "failures" but that's what makes them so great.
That's not how karma works. And I don't even believe in it.If you're a believer of Karma, you could point out really that the Uchiha had their extinction coming since they themselves drove another clan to near extinction.
For more context, read Sasuke Shinden
Or watch the Ketsuryugan arc in the anime
"Those damn Uchihas deserve what happened to them!"If you're a believer of Karma, you could point out really that the Uchiha had their extinction coming since they themselves drove another clan to near extinction.
No one's argument was whether or not the ends justified the means. It was whether or not he had a better option. He did not.Itachi is empathetic not because he made the right "hard" choice, his empathetic because we have the context for why he made his choices but understandable doesn't mean agreeable, at the end of the day he committed genocide of his own free will and the ends do not justify the means.
The immediate threat was Root, an entire organization led by one of the few guys in the village who could probably kill him.in any case if you want a practical resolution , the answer would be to eliminate the immediate threats and then work on creating a safety net for deescalation.
Yeah, that's Danzo shit. Too bad Itachi wasn't the one in charge of the situation. I sincerely doubt he agreed with Danzo, he just wanted there to be 2 survivors, which is more than 0.the idea that every child or member of the clan down to the infant must be killed to avoid future uprising isnt pragmatic its fear mongering and used by people IRL to justify genocide, its also irrational and logically flawed, the argument frames killing as the only solution to prevent future hatred, which is a form of false dichotomy.
Karma? Uchiha? Peak?If you're a believer of Karma, you could point out really that the Uchiha had their extinction coming since they themselves drove another clan to near extinction.
For more context, read Sasuke Shinden
Or watch the Ketsuryugan arc in the anime
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"Amado worked on Kawaki and not Boruto" is not different from "Boruto was in pictures with Naruto and Kawaki wasn't". Both serve to prove that there was a switch in one's memory as Amado stated. So agree to disagree.
Which is why it's harder for him. That's my point. His trust is working in a more abstract manner.
I disagree. The information and amount of it is irrelevant since it clearly goes away eventually. Everything boils down to "why" one believes what they do.
Refer above.
This chapter doesn't prove that. Omnipotence is clearly stated to erase someone's memory "as time passes". So currently Shikamaru might remember some parts of it, but he's prolly gonna forget more and more with time.
For Shikamaru, yes. I think Omnipotence is gonna make him ignore these facts just like all the files and pictures of Boruto and Kawaki.
At the end of the day, none of this actually matters. The amount of data is irrelevant since Omnipotence is clearly defined in a way that these things don't matter. One's mind is always gonna start ignoring them, so I don't think accounting for them makes any sense. All that matters is the reasoning one gives for helping Boruto. Sasuke does this cuz he trusts Sarada. And because of that all the facts make sense to him. But if you remove Sarada, the facts won't matter. Similarly Amado only cares about his daughter and trusts his habits. So he isn't even worried about trusting Boruto or believing that a switch happened. So it's the easiest for Amado imo. Finally Shikamaru first has to establish trust in Boruto for an abstract reason and then all the facts make sense. He has to work backwards which is way harder imo.
So in terms of how hard it is for them, I think:
Shikamaru > Sasuke > Amado (by his own admission)
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