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Only thing i disagree is base bort> post time skip code. He isn't. Boruto is just relative to him. Might be a bit weaker
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
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You could say this or you could also read the manga when boruto said the essence of ishikki power in codes karma altered them? So they evolved with part of ishikki power added to theirs? Why would you still then rate them as inferior to kaguya 10 tails? At that point they are simply in a different state of power.
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Ikemoto doesn't need to illustrate massive DC feats in order to show you that a character is superior to another.
He just needs to, you know, put them above each other by other means (statements, fights etc) without contradicting himself
The only suspect statement made in the manga is Boro>>Delta
Even that wasn't a direct statement
Ishiki has worse DC feats than pre war arc Sakura
And for the whole non six paths tiers reaching otsutsuki level, it's not a thing that started in boruto
Sakura went from being fodder even among genins to Kage level in like 3 years.
Base Naruto went from 7-B or so, to H6-A in 2 years.
People can grow as strong as they like due to plot necessity.
I'll understand or even agree with the criticism is it's being judged with vsbw standards (outlier, PIS, CIS)
Not when it's being judged solely with the series's narrative.
The same narrative that shows us that Kages no matter the era will always stand up against things that threaten the existence of their village
He just needs to, you know, put them above each other by other means (statements, fights etc) without contradicting himself
The only suspect statement made in the manga is Boro>>Delta
Even that wasn't a direct statement
Ishiki has worse DC feats than pre war arc Sakura
And for the whole non six paths tiers reaching otsutsuki level, it's not a thing that started in boruto
Sakura went from being fodder even among genins to Kage level in like 3 years.
Base Naruto went from 7-B or so, to H6-A in 2 years.
People can grow as strong as they like due to plot necessity.
I'll understand or even agree with the criticism is it's being judged with vsbw standards (outlier, PIS, CIS)
Not when it's being judged solely with the series's narrative.
The same narrative that shows us that Kages no matter the era will always stand up against things that threaten the existence of their village
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It's just early denialism. There's no beating it.
Moon level will be the base for everyone and their grandma.
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Hashirama and Otsutsuki Mind Manipulation Resistance
Madara's intention is to take Hashirama's cells from him, and for this he needs to bite him and draw blood from him. If Madara's genjutsu had worked on Hashirama, he could have done it much more easily without fighting him. Therefore, Hashirama's mind manipulation resistance must be at least as...
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KaydeeX
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I’ve got a knife I can stab you with
HelloThere1089
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Only if I can stab you back with my sword.I’ve got a knife I can stab you with
KaydeeX
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Trust me bro, you won’t be alive to stab me back
HelloThere1089
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Why don't you come over here and find out
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I’ve got a knife I can stab you with
Why don't you come over here and find out
I think we can probably stop this here? This doesn't look appropriate to the thread to continue.
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Testarossa002
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Only boruto is getting a separate profile
Or rather, should be getting
Newly relevant characters like himawari or jura are fair game to anyone interested in making them
Everyone else should get a crt or something
Not a new profile
Not that there's anything particularly new to add for most of them
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I also think Sarada should get a new profile
I can add mitsuki and Kawaki time skip key.
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Himawari and Jura should wait a couple of more months seeing as they might get retconned or something in the future or even higher upgraded.
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Does Himawari even have a single feat yet?
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Post War to Momoshiki Arc, Chojirou, Kurotsuchi & Darui goes from Sub-Biju Level and Gaara, Sub-Madara to Above Kaguya, based on a lot of ppl here accepting the Dimension Fight at face value, vs Naruto, whom while they got stronger, hasn’t had the same supposed jump in power, despite becoming Kage last out of the current batch.
He was still an active Shinobi and actively training and yet despite having a far higher base, far stronger chakra, his progression is not comparable to the other Kage’s, despite them becoming Kage’s long before him.
If that makes sense.
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Naruto became >Kaguya in his base form.
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His Base Form was already strong enough to threaten his Chakra Mode anyways. So there isn’t that big a gap between the two.
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ok?
we haven't seen the full power of pretty much anyone since the time skip started.
we're also still waiting for explanations on some abilities too like Uzuhiko
there's a reason the profiles done by the people that take their time look a lot better and get more things accepted than the ones that are rushed out.
not to mention ppl have lives and don't spend all their time doing vs wiki stuff.
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Idt Uzuhiko is coming back tbh… 
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it def is but to each their ownIdt Uzuhiko is coming back tbh…
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THAT was pretty much the shittiest scaling in the franchise. Base<Kyuubi Enhanced<KN0<KN1<KN2<KN3<KN4<Sage Mode<KN6<KCM<MKCM<KM<KA<SPSM<KSPSM. There is no reason his Base Form should be anywhere NEAR KSPSM, ESPECIALLY not with full Kurama.
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All this changed because even his base is now enhanced by six path chakra.
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Dragon Battle of the Gods type shit. At least Goku's multipliers are consistent.
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He does though?
Base Naruto was swapping hands with fused momo
His Choodama Rasengan turned FM into space dust
The same momoshiki who one tapped all the kages
The issue is, we don't know how big of a gap is there between fused momoshiki and Kaguya
The wiki has it at 2x. As the least possible difference
It can be 5 or 50,000 for all we know
Maybe when her MS gets unveiled
Which should happen soon
Because as of now, her abilities are the same as 3 years ago
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The fact you’d just nonchalantly accept a Potential 50K bump w/o any evidence is distressing. And you’re using that vagueness to to try and justify the absurb jump that these characters are accepted to have.
You can’t tell me you seriously buy the jump from Sub-Biju level Jonin to threatening God Tiers with no explanation… I don’t believe you’d do that w/o having been convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt.
So help me get to where you are because again:
- Naruto & Sasuke were massively amped by an Otsutsuki’s SPC, elevating their bases to this Otsutsuki Level.
- Amadou’s Cyborgs have Shibai DNA, which explains their Otsutsuki level Strength.
- Boruto & Kawaki have been empowered by two of the strongest Otsutsuki we’ve seen via Karma and are now Otsutsuki themselves.
- The Shinju Quartet are Juubi Incarnations (Basically TT Jins for all intents and purposes)
- Himawari is has been built up to be crazy strong and has been stated to have Greater Chakra than even Naruto (Clarification still needed from better translations).
Where am I missing something that makes Kages or Sarada non outliers based on logic within the verse?
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And it’s because of that, we’re cooked…^
exactly why I can just sit back and laugh as yall cope, because the writers don't gaf, and I choose not to either
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Also isn't it interesting that the Era that has:
is far stronger than the previous ones?
Not unlike groundbreaking technology setting the standard for an era of more advanced and far better tech going forward.
like let's be frr Shinobi history is like 80 years old during the Naruto Era and prior it was just feuding nations with no real understanding of how chakra worked or its origins.
Lets not pretend that Juubi Power is some Godly, Ethereal power when the only reason it is portrayed as such in the Naruto era is because they were uninformed.
the Cloud Village, two years after the war made a laser powered by jonin that can teleport the moon, in Naruto, moving/creating a meteor was treated like a divine act.
in the Boruto Era there are Academy Students with Bijuu Level Jutsu, Bijuu are literal pieces of the Juubi and powerful even by people like Madara.
Not to mention we're told every village was always wary and prepping for a threat like Kaguya. I'm not even gonna mention some novel statements and Bort Databooks you can use that almost blatantly put people on Otsutsuki level that dont deserve it, as well as the canon anime content supporting it even more.
does it suck as fans of the original series? absolutely.
is it the reality of the situation? unfortunately.
is it bad writing? debatable but yeah imo.
does it make way more sense than a lot of us are willing to admit? Sadly.
also for people who seem to forget it is fiction
- Every village united in peace for the first time ever.
- Has everyone fight a war where they fought their entire history of their strongest predecessors via Edo Tensei.
- Every Shinobi sees that there is a whole higher tier of power and jutsu that none of them considered before via Madara, the Juubi, and Kaguya.
is far stronger than the previous ones?
Not unlike groundbreaking technology setting the standard for an era of more advanced and far better tech going forward.
like let's be frr Shinobi history is like 80 years old during the Naruto Era and prior it was just feuding nations with no real understanding of how chakra worked or its origins.
Lets not pretend that Juubi Power is some Godly, Ethereal power when the only reason it is portrayed as such in the Naruto era is because they were uninformed.
the Cloud Village, two years after the war made a laser powered by jonin that can teleport the moon, in Naruto, moving/creating a meteor was treated like a divine act.
in the Boruto Era there are Academy Students with Bijuu Level Jutsu, Bijuu are literal pieces of the Juubi and powerful even by people like Madara.
Not to mention we're told every village was always wary and prepping for a threat like Kaguya. I'm not even gonna mention some novel statements and Bort Databooks you can use that almost blatantly put people on Otsutsuki level that dont deserve it, as well as the canon anime content supporting it even more.
does it suck as fans of the original series? absolutely.
is it the reality of the situation? unfortunately.
is it bad writing? debatable but yeah imo.
also for people who seem to forget it is fiction
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Imagine if we scaled Boruto characters purely off of Boruto series feats
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That’s not in question though. If all 5 Kage surpassed Madara and Hashirama and more Chunin are becoming Jonin level, all of that would still prove what you said, but there are levels to this still.
Sure, that’s to be expected.
The Village System is around 80 years old, not Shinobi History.
Disagree. It is and it isn’t portrayed that way due to lack of Information. Like, Senjutsu Chakra is really just imitation SPC and it’s far weaker than SPC. The lack of knowledge of SPC doesn’t mean they can match it easily or gain the benefits of it of it outside of Senjutsu. It really is a godly power unattainable by mere humans.
Yes, powered by dozens of Jonin for majority of a 24hr period. Idk how supports the argument?
Like who? Iirc, no Boruto Era Academy Student has Biju Level Jutsu.
That doesn’t prove they could defeat her either. North Korea is weary of US backed SK and has been planning for decades for a war. That doesn’t mean SK wouldn’t fold their shit if push came to shove due to the overwhelming military superiority…
Please do bring receipt's. Leave no room for doubt.
Being fiction doesn’t mean you shouldn’t want sound logic and consistency in the narrative you’re reading.also for people who seem to forget it is fiction
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sure it still would but thats not whats being portrayed,
a Shinobi by definition are the military force of a village.
the warring states period with Hashirama/Madara was an era of mercenaries and clan feuds, not that it changes my point if they were
either way they've been doing nothing but killing each other and nothing else productive for generations.
No one knew Hagaromo or the Juubi existed before Obito explained it to them.
No one knew chakra was a linking power via Ninshuu since it was drowned out by the immediately usable and combat applicable ninjutsu.
The Rinnegan was a myth
the ability to cut through mountains and summon meteors was considered godlike and impossible back then.
the list goes on.
I mean they did, and even if they didn't nothing says that they couldnt match the power with knowledge either.
nothing you've said has supported that.
Dozens of Shinobi during the war arc could barely match a fireball from Madara.
and the point is that something that was considered impossible and godlike back then is now very possible now.
Sumire has Nue, who can obliterate the leaf and is stronger than the new era leaf Jounin like Sai. even people like Kakashi were there.
comparing real-life militaries to an in-story statement. you gotta realize that it is a person writing their character dialogues with a purpose in mindThat doesn’t prove they could defeat her either. North Korea is weary of US backed SK and has been planning for decades for a war. That doesn’t mean SK wouldn’t fold their shit if push came to shove due to the overwhelming military superiority…
you might see a CRT on it eventually if the person who found it wants to.
definitely a controversial character to get God Tier lvl scaling,
ofc we want sound logic, but we're not always gonna get sound logic.
being mad because a Japanese picturebook characters arent the same power you picture in your head is pointless.
especially when it's not the same author, he was kinda pushed into making a sequel for money's sake when he wanted to make a different manga, we have so many statements and feats with narrative backing telling us "Hey we want these people to be able to shine a little bit."
believe me, none of us are crazy about it, at all. But most of us are beyond the time of coping about a series that changes its scaling 7 years ago.
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Imagine if we scaled Boruto characters purely off of Boruto series feats
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Damn only if it was in the manga instead of being filler only.
