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Wasn't it in a novel, too?Damn only if it was in the manga instead of being filler only.
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Wasn't it in a novel, too?Damn only if it was in the manga instead of being filler only.
was also in the novel, also the anime is canonDamn only if it was in the manga instead of being filler only.
What novel?was also in the novel
Doubt.also the anime is canon
the naruto next generation novelizations, theres like 5 of em.What novel?
That's what we got accepted idk what to tell yaDoubt.
Yeah are they translated though?the naruto next generation novelizations, theres like 5 of em.
And I doubt we'll see anything from the anime in the manga part 2, with people still claiming its canon.That's what we got accepted idk what to tell ya
not officiallyYeah are they translated though?
you do know the manga has already referenced the anime before right?And I doubt we'll see anything from the anime in the manga part 2, with people still claiming its canon.
I disagree. You guys are really ignoring the vast majority of context surrounding all of these characters that put them at this level in favor of pushing an outlier showing.sure it still would but thats not whats being portrayed,
Semantics aside, their understanding and usage of chakra was not different or more rudimentary than it is currently. So the initial point you were making isn’t really valid.a Shinobi by definition are the military force of a village.
the warring states period with Hashirama/Madara was an era of mercenaries and clan feuds, not that it changes my point if they were
either way they've been doing nothing but killing each other and nothing else productive for generations.
That doesn’t mean anything though in regards to the topic.No one knew Hagaromo or the Juubi existed before Obito explained it to them.
That's irrelevant. Regular Chakra still isn’t comparable to SPC and regular Shinobi don’t have access to it. SPC and Regular Chakra still work the same at a basic level, that doesn’t change. The difference is the level of strength that type of chakra has and the benefits a wielder of that chakra receives.No one knew chakra was a linking power via Ninshuu since it was drowned out by the immediately usable and combat applicable ninjutsu.
What is the point of this again?The Rinnegan was a myth
Sure, but not unobtainable by ordinary Ninja as proven by Madara and Hashirama and it wasn’t exclusively achieved by having Godlike Energy that ordinary Ninja don’t have access to…the ability to cut through mountains and summon meteors was considered godlike and impossible back then.
It really doesn’t though, fam.the list goes on.
Any feats of them doing so (And it is not consistently shown) are outliers, given the vast majority of characters that reach those levels logically and sensibly, based on what the verse has set up. And no, knowledge by itself isn’t helping them match that level of power instantly. You want to know what’s consistent? Prep and multipliers:I mean they did, and even if they didn't nothing says that they couldnt match the power with knowledge either.
Why do I have to state a fact. SPC is an Otsutsuki Power. Humans don’t have access to it. Period. The closest they can come is Senjutsu, and even then only a select few can even achieve SM/Transformations anyways.nothing you've said has supported that.
This is disingenuous as you know the two are not the same. Pooling Chakra together constantly over a 24hr period =\= a select few releasing just simultaneously for a few seconds.Dozens of Shinobi during the war arc could barely match a fireball from Madara.
With copious amounts of prep working in tandem with tech. That doesn’t support Kage’s magically being strong enough to fight Otsutsuki the fact that prep is required actually hurts your argument.and the point is that something that was considered impossible and godlike back then is now very possible now.
Bro… Do I really I have to explain the Nue to you? Or should I chuck it up to you not remembering the arc in detail?Sumire has Nue, who can obliterate the leaf and is stronger than the new era leaf Jounin like Sai. even people like Kakashi were there.
The principle is the same regardless and the fact of the matter is, while yes, Fiction doesn’t have to follow irl, nothing supports your notion otherwise outside of Copious Prep and Advance Tech working together, which doesn’t translate to individuals by themselves.comparing real-life militaries to an in-story statement. you gotta realize that it is a person writing their character dialogues with a purpose in mind
you might see a CRT on it eventually if the person who found it wants to.
definitely a controversial character to get God Tier lvl scaling,and definitely not something im posting in goon central for someone to try and make a crt on.
Sure, but that also doesn’t mean we don’t have remedies for situations like this, this the need for conversations to happen, such as this.ofc we want sound logic, but we're not always gonna get sound logic.
You see, it’s this statement some of you like to flippantly use, as if this isn’t an indexing wiki for such things and you guys are, in the eyes of some, scaling these characters wrong. If you can’t have the conversation without defaulting to this sentiment, wtf are you doing here? And yes, it is insulting when you say it. Hopefully the obvious doesn’t have to be stated beyond this…being mad because a Japanese picturebook characters arent the same power you picture in your head is pointless.
Kishimoto may not have been actively writing it, but this talking pount is played out and just false. He has been involved since day one and as per ikemoto and WSJ Editor and Chief, Kishimoto has defined and worked extensively on every concept and plot point in the series, having even made direct decisions about how the manga would start.especially when it's not the same author
False. He said no. Only said yes to a sequel when his assistant wanted to do a remake, and ONLY of Ilemoto drew. All Mangaka of popular ip get pressured. The decision was his and he was firm, barring specific things being met. Nor does this mean he half-assed this. You actually insult the author when you do this.he was kinda pushed into making a sequel for money's sake when he wanted to make a different manga
Kage’s have 1 instance (And As I pointed out before, their feats are not noteworthy in the slightest), no statements, iirc. Sarada has 1 instance, no statements. You keep saying that, yet we don’t see it… and please don’t use Urashiki. He is the most inconsistent character in the franchise. Let’s not even talk about his death.we have so many statements and feats with narrative backing telling us "Hey we want these people to be able to shine a little bit."
You can call it whatever you want. A single instance of something that goes against established precedence with no supporting, or contradictory evidence, is an outlier. Plain and simple.believe me, none of us are crazy about it, at all. But most of us are beyond the time of coping about a series that changes its scaling 7 years ago.
Yeah no sarada is different. You being born from someone with six path chakra means you would benefit from it. Especially in the ocular sense. I mean indra is a pretty good example.The fact you’d just nonchalantly accept a Potential 50K bump w/o any evidence is distressing. And you’re using that vagueness to to try and justify the absurb jump that these characters are accepted to have.
You can’t tell me you seriously buy the jump from Sub-Biju level Jonin to threatening God Tiers with no explanation… I don’t believe you’d do that w/o having been convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt.
So help me get to where you are because again:
When we see these things time and time again, JUSTIFYING characters being at these levels, WHAT is it that makes it acceptable to include Kage’s or Sarada among this list? It literally is nonsensical and deserving of scrutiny.
- Naruto & Sasuke were massively amped by an Otsutsuki’s SPC, elevating their bases to this Otsutsuki Level.
- Amadou’s Cyborgs have Shibai DNA, which explains their Otsutsuki level Strength.
- Boruto & Kawaki have been empowered by two of the strongest Otsutsuki we’ve seen via Karma and are now Otsutsuki themselves.
- The Shinju Quartet are Juubi Incarnations (Basically TT Jins for all intents and purposes)
- Himawari is has been built up to be crazy strong and has been stated to have Greater Chakra than even Naruto (Clarification still needed from better translations).
Where am I missing something that makes Kages or Sarada non outliers based on logic within the verse?
Don't know why you're fixated on sarada. You and I know she will scale as concretely if not more than anyone as time goes on.I disagree. You guys are really ignoring the vast majority of context surrounding all of these characters that put them at this level in favor of pushing an outlier showing.
Semantics aside, their understanding and usage of chakra was not different or more rudimentary than it is currently. So the initial point you were making isn’t really valid.
That doesn’t mean anything though in regards to the topic.
That's irrelevant. Regular Chakra still isn’t comparable to SPC and regular Shinobi don’t have access to it. SPC and Regular Chakra still work the same at a basic level, that doesn’t change. The difference is the level of strength that type of chakra has and the benefits a wielder of that chakra receives.
What is the point of this again?
Sure, but not unobtainable by ordinary Ninja as proven by Madara and Hashirama and it wasn’t exclusively achieved by having Godlike Energy that ordinary Ninja don’t have access to…
Literally in the entire existence of Chakra usage on the planet, even the STRONGEST to be born pale in comparison to SPC amped individuals. It’s not reasonable to assume to ordinary individuals can match or exceed that with “just” training.
One of the strongest Jonin in history needed a TENS OF TIMES boost in the form of a Suicide technique to reach that level. Sakura, needed 3 YEARS of stored chakra just to achieve comparability and STILL admitted inferiority.
Do you see where this is going?
It really doesn’t though, fam.
Any feats of them doing so (And it is not consistently shown) are outliers, given the vast majority of characters that reach those levels logically and sensibly, based on what the verse has set up. And no, knowledge by itself isn’t helping them match that level of power instantly. You want to know what’s consistent? Prep and multipliers:
This is what human knowledge does to allow them to match a fraction of the power wielded by SPC users or Otsutsuki. Why should I buy 5 random weak mfs (In comparison) magically matching this level of power w/o asterisk's attached? What precedence is there?
- Byakugou Seal = 3 Years of Stored Chakra
- Chakra Canon = Dozens of Jonin Pooling Chakra over majority of a day
- 8 Gates = Tens of Times Amp
Again:
Sarada and Kage’s are literally Outliers with nothing supporting them.
- Naruto & Sasuke = Six Paths Chakra Amped + Years of Further Training
- Amadou Cyborgs = Shibai DNA
- Boruto & Kawaki = Otsutsuki Via Karma w/ access to the power of the two strongest Otsutsuki introduced (Not Counting Shibai)
- Himawari = Feats, Hype, Direct Statements (Pending Better Translations).
- Shinju Quartet = They ARE the Ten-Tails w/ Sentience.
Why do I have to state a fact. SPC is an Otsutsuki Power. Humans don’t have access to it. Period. The closest they can come is Senjutsu, and even then only a select few can even achieve SM/Transformations anyways.
This is disingenuous as you know the two are not the same. Pooling Chakra together constantly over a 24hr period =\= a select few releasing just simultaneously for a few seconds.
With copious amounts of prep working in tandem with tech. That doesn’t support Kage’s magically being strong enough to fight Otsutsuki the fact that prep is required actually hurts your argument.
Like I said, they are outliers w/ no supporting evidence.
Bro… Do I really I have to explain the Nue to you? Or should I chuck it up to you not remembering the arc in detail?
The principle is the same regardless and the fact of the matter is, while yes, Fiction doesn’t have to follow irl, nothing supports your notion otherwise outside of Copious Prep and Advance Tech working together, which doesn’t translate to individuals by themselves.
Sure, but that also doesn’t mean we don’t have remedies for situations like this, this the need for conversations to happen, such as this.
You see, it’s this statement some of you like to flippantly use, as if this isn’t an indexing wiki for such things and you guys are, in the eyes of some, scaling these characters wrong. If you can’t have the conversation without defaulting to this sentiment, wtf are you doing here? And yes, it is insulting when you say it. Hopefully the obvious doesn’t have to be stated beyond this…
Kishimoto may not have been actively writing it, but this talking pount is played out and just false. He has been involved since day one and as per ikemoto and WSJ Editor and Chief, Kishimoto has defined and worked extensively on every concept and plot point in the series, having even made direct decisions about how the manga would start.
“Why” are we still saying this?
False. He said no. Only said yes to a sequel when his assistant wanted to do a remake, and ONLY of Ilemoto drew. All Mangaka of popular ip get pressured. The decision was his and he was firm, barring specific things being met. Nor does this mean he half-assed this. You actually insult the author when you do this.
But do you even care that that is your actions?
Kage’s have 1 instance (And As I pointed out before, their feats are not noteworthy in the slightest), no statements, iirc. Sarada has 1 instance, no statements. You keep saying that, yet we don’t see it… and please don’t use Urashiki. He is the most inconsistent character in the franchise. Let’s not even talk about his death.
You can call it whatever you want. A single instance of something that goes against established precedence with no supporting, or contradictory evidence, is an outlier. Plain and simple.
Seems to me the problem isn’t so much with the manga as it’s with the people making decisions on what they perceive to be “consistent”, logic be damned.
Boruto going "I went to the Hidden Mist for school once" does not mean the anime is canon.you do know the manga has already referenced the anime before right?
I would love for this to be the case, truly but remember, this is not stated or implied. In fact, the series goes out of its way show us when it is via Himawari. No such thing for Sarada or Boruto for that matter. It is reasonable to assume, imo though for that exact reason, but… we’re juggling no confirmation in that equation, and the fact it’s so blatant via Hima gives me pause for Sarada.Yeah no sarada is different. You being born from someone with six path chakra means you would benefit from it. Especially in the ocular sense. I mean indra is a pretty good example.
That should be more reason to list it as an outlier.The kage are just an example of "for the sake of plot" and the only one that actually scales well is gaara.
I personally see War Arc Gaara as Biju Level, so I can see that. I could even accept Gaara surpassing Madara after all these years, but… when you get to Juubito… Six Paths Madara… Kaguya…? It becomes absurd and then all this other stuff comes into play.I think gaara just actively grew in power. I mean bro grew so much urashiki could substitute his chakra as bijuu chakra he previously had.
Sure, but this is VsBW afterall… We do powerscaling here.The rest are for plot and if you look at it not with powerscalling lens but how shonen normally go then they'd be fine.
is this sarcasmBoruto going "I went to the Hidden Mist for school once" does not mean the anime is canon.
That's not how it works dude..just because someone didn't come out and say "you inherited six path power from your dad" means it can't ever happen..it can be dormant in you like asura, training can bring it out. Indra wasn't even a power house till he unlocked mangyeko. Boruto actuallt got something. Literally momoshiki first encounter was like "you've inherited otsusuki power" even though it was clearly dormant as he wss weak as hell. And they didn't go out of their way to show it with himwari. If you mean kurama yeah no the only reason it manifested is coz his main chakra got destroyed. If naruto was fine himawari would have gotten nothing. Once again allow the series to go on. You got her stabbing someone once . all this headcanons are not necessarily. Let them explain what happened in the past 3 years.I would love for this to be the case, truly but remember, this is not stated or implied. In fact, the series goes out of its way show us when it is via Himawari. No such thing for Sarada or Boruto for that matter. It is reasonable to assume, imo though for that exact reason, but… we’re juggling no confirmation in that equation, and the fact it’s so blatant via Hima gives me pause for Sarada.
I personally see War Arc Gaara as Biju Level, so I can see that. I could even accept Gaara surpassing Madara after all these years, but… when you get to Juubito… Six Paths Madara… Kaguya…? It becomes absurd and then all this other stuff comes into play.
Sure, but this is VsBW afterall… We do powerscaling here.
The arc doesn't have to be Canon either. He went to the Mist at one point, that doesn't mean he got jumped by a shark man who had started a gang of ruffians.is this sarcasm
Edit: NVM I see ur saying the anime, rather than the arc in question
That's just being contrarian. At the time of that arc in the manga, the writer Kodachi was in charge of the anime, who also wrote that arc in the anime.The arc doesn't have to be Canon either. He went to the Mist at one point, that doesn't mean he got jumped by a shark man who had started a gang of ruffians.
how'd you like the fight?Looks like sasuke and naruto are now “officinally” nerfed
War Arc Gaara is far above normal Bijuu levelI personally see War Arc Gaara as Biju Level, so I can see that. I could even accept Gaara surpassing Madara after all these years, but… when you get to Juubito… Six Paths Madara… Kaguya…? It becomes absurd and then all this other stuff comes into play.
Idk about that, with someone like Juubito especially they can kinda just blitz and one shot his head with taijutsu, 1 Eyed Juubidara tooThe bad part about this debate is all these kages would loose to every single six path character you can think of. You keep saying this coz you're focusing on "ap"
You brought up Naruto not having a relative or superior jump in power compared to the other KagesThe fact you’d just nonchalantly accept a Potential 50K bump w/o any evidence is distressing. And you’re using that vagueness to to try and justify the absurb jump that these characters are accepted to have.
You can’t tell me you seriously buy the jump from Sub-Biju level Jonin to threatening God Tiers with no explanation… I don’t believe you’d do that w/o having been convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt.
So help me get to where you are because again:
When we see these things time and time again, JUSTIFYING characters being at these levels, WHAT is it that makes it acceptable to include Kage’s or Sarada among this list? It literally is nonsensical and deserving of scrutiny.
- Naruto & Sasuke were massively amped by an Otsutsuki’s SPC, elevating their bases to this Otsutsuki Level.
- Amadou’s Cyborgs have Shibai DNA, which explains their Otsutsuki level Strength.
- Boruto & Kawaki have been empowered by two of the strongest Otsutsuki we’ve seen via Karma and are now Otsutsuki themselves.
- The Shinju Quartet are Juubi Incarnations (Basically TT Jins for all intents and purposes)
- Himawari is has been built up to be crazy strong and has been stated to have Greater Chakra than even Naruto (Clarification still needed from better translations).
People can grow as strong as they like due to plot necessity.
They don't need to have justifiable power ups in order to possess logicWhere am I missing something that makes Kages or Sarada non outliers based on logic within the verse?
the "context", you are talking about only matters to the original series where the shinobi involved were uninformed about the level of strength that existed out there.I disagree. You guys are really ignoring the vast majority of context surrounding all of these characters that put them at this level in favor of pushing an outlier showing.
the type of chakra it is has never been stated to matter all that much for potency. correlation isn't causation.That's irrelevant. Regular Chakra still isn’t comparable to SPC and regular Shinobi don’t have access to it. SPC and Regular Chakra still work the same at a basic level, that doesn’t change. The difference is the level of strength that type of chakra has and the benefits a wielder of that chakra receives.
I think you think too much of SPCSure, but not unobtainable by ordinary Ninja as proven by Madara and Hashirama and it wasn’t exclusively achieved by having Godlike Energy that ordinary Ninja don’t have access to…
That's just an argument out of incredulity.Literally in the entire existence of Chakra usage on the planet, even the STRONGEST to be born pale in comparison to SPC amped individuals. It’s not reasonable to assume to ordinary individuals can match or exceed that with “just” training.
so a 16-year-old non genius Kunoich can store chakra for 3 years to be comparable but a bunch of Kage training for 16 years can't be?One of the strongest Jonin in history needed a TENS OF TIMES boost in the form of a Suicide technique to reach that level. Sakura, needed 3 YEARS of stored chakra just to achieve comparability and STILL admitted inferiority.
you don't decide that brotha,Any feats of them doing so (And it is not consistently shown) are outliers
instantly? it was 16 years.given the vast majority of characters that reach those levels logically and sensibly, based on what the verse has set up. And no, knowledge by itself isn’t helping them match that level of power instantly.
3 years of a tiny bit of Sakura's chakra isn't as big of a deal as you're making out.
- Byakugou Seal = 3 Years of Stored Chakra
yeah i checked the scene again and not only was it not over a day and more like minutes, but they were also fueling a cannon to blast surrounding debris.
- Chakra Canon = Dozens of Jonin Pooling Chakra over majority of a day
ok?
- 8 Gates = Tens of Times Amp
because thats whats happening brotha.This is what human knowledge does to allow them to match a fraction of the power wielded by SPC users or Otsutsuki. Why should I buy 5 random weak mfs (In comparison) magically matching this level of power w/o asterisk's attached? What precedence is there?
cool
- Naruto & Sasuke = Six Paths Chakra Amped + Years of Further Training
- Amadou Cyborgs = Shibai DNA
- Boruto & Kawaki = Otsutsuki Via Karma w/ access to the power of the two strongest Otsutsuki introduced (Not Counting Shibai)
- Himawari = Feats, Hype, Direct Statements (Pending Better Translations).
- Shinju Quartet = They ARE the Ten-Tails w/ Sentience.
Teen Sarada has no other scaling to call it an outlier so you're basically saying "it's an outlier cause i dont like it."Sarada and Kage’s are literally Outliers with nothing supporting them.
not being able to use specific powers doesn't mean they can reach the same level of power. again nothing the series has said made that at all the case.Why do I have to state a fact. SPC is an Otsutsuki Power. Humans don’t have access to it. Period. The closest they can come is Senjutsu, and even then only a select few can even achieve SM/Transformations anyways.
*a few minutes for a dual function cannon you mean.This is disingenuous as you know the two are not the same. Pooling Chakra together constantly over a 24hr period =\= a select few releasing just simultaneously for a few seconds.
"copous amounts of prep"With copious amounts of prep working in tandem with tech.
I hope you know if a feat is someone's only line of scaling it's impossible to be an outlier.Like I said, they are outliers w/ no supporting evidence.
stop being semantical, the point is there are genin and academy students with abilities that vastly surpass what the previous generation is capable of.Bro… Do I really I have to explain the Nue to you? Or should I chuck it up to you not remembering the arc in detail?
you seem to be a misunderstanding because I'm not saying you can't have different opinions on scaling, nor am I against having the convo.You see, it’s this statement some of you like to flippantly use, as if this isn’t an indexing wiki for such things and you guys are, in the eyes of some, scaling these characters wrong. If you can’t have the conversation without defaulting to this sentiment, wtf are you doing here? And yes, it is insulting when you say it. Hopefully the obvious doesn’t have to be stated beyond this…
1 instance across 4 different media, also Sasuke deciding to bring them at all after seeing what they can do and affirming they were the people Kaguya was prepping for is telling enough. Sasuke isn't going to involve people with no use,Kage’s have 1 instance (And As I pointed out before, their feats are not noteworthy in the slightest), no statements,
her first and only source of scaling was damaging someone above Jigen, there is no amount of cope that's gonna salvage this being an outlier since everyone she'll fight from now on will also be stronger than they were previously.iirc. Sarada has 1 instance, no statements.
yeah, that's not what an outlier is.A single instance of something that goes against established precedence with no supporting, or contradictory evidence, is an outlier. Plain and simple.
seems to me like copium.Seems to me the problem isn’t so much with the manga as it’s with the people making decisions on what they perceive to be “consistent”.
Then we'll have Sarada scaling above Naruto/Sasuke/Momoshiki's country destruction statements and the criticism will shift to her being Juubito level without any bijuu ampsImagine if we scaled Boruto characters purely off of Boruto series feats
It was pretty good.how'd you like the fight?
Surely this means that Naruto canonically fought Raiga of the Seven Ninja Swordsmen, and that has to be used for scaling.That's just being contrarian. At the time of that arc in the manga, the writer Kodachi was in charge of the anime, who also wrote that arc in the anime.
When Boruto references his trip in the manga, obviously he's referring the same trip that happened in the anime. Let's not act dumb.
sure!Surely this means that Naruto canonically fought Raiga of the Seven Ninja Swordsmen, and that has to be used for scaling.
good thing thats not the reason it's canonBoruto going "I went to the Hidden Mist for school once" does not mean the anime is canon.
Sure, let’s act like you didn’t take literally everything out of context to make your points or straight up post misinformation, as if we didn’t watch or read the same stuff…the "context", you are talking about only matters to the original series where the shinobi involved were uninformed about the level of strength that existed out there.
the type of chakra it is has never been stated to matter all that much for potency. correlation isn't causation.
Guy and Sakura both have feats on that level with regular chakra
something, something but Guy had to die tho, it still shows its possible for regular chakra to reach those levels.
the power of the 8th gate was far beyond Guy's limit but that doesn't mean its impossible for future shinobi to reach those levels without a sacrifce move.
I think you think too much of SPC
all it is is chakra from the Juubi that was inherited by descendants of Kaguya, the quality difference doesn't matter beyond abilities
if every Six Paths User was stronger than every non six paths user, how did Bijuu Sage Mode Naruto and Senjutsu Enhanced Sasuke overpower Juubito?
That's just an argument out of incredulity.
theres no actual reason why that can't be the case.
so a 16-year-old non genius Kunoich can store chakra for 3 years to be comparable but a bunch of Kage training for 16 years can't be?
you don't decide that brotha,
also the new era being a decade later with all the characters having evolved means that it sets the precedence for its one scaling through previously established characters.
instantly? it was 16 years.
3 years of a tiny bit of Sakura's chakra isn't as big of a deal as you're making out.
yeah i checked the scene again and not only was it not over a day and more like minutes, but they were also fueling a cannon to blast surrounding debris.
ok?
because thats whats happening brotha.
cool
Teen Sarada has no other scaling to call it an outlier so you're basically saying "it's an outlier cause i dont like it."
not being able to use specific powers doesn't mean they can reach the same level of power. again nothing the series has said made that at all the case.
*a few minutes for a dual function cannon you mean.
"copous amounts of prep"
Ay literally pulled it out the shed like it was his old project car and only started prepping it while Naruto was heading off to fight Toneri one last time, 15-30 minutes at best.
I hope you know if a feat is someone's only line of scaling it's impossible to be an outlier.
an outlier is something being inconsistent with other showings.
no so strong it goes against the lore(even though thats not the case here either.)
stop being semantical, the point is there are genin and academy students with abilities that vastly surpass what the previous generation is capable of.
you seem to be a misunderstanding because I'm not saying you can't have different opinions on scaling, nor am I against having the convo.
I'm talking about to the people that cry and complain with no actual argument other than "me no like."
1 instance across 4 different media, also Sasuke deciding to bring them at all after seeing what they can do and affirming they were the people Kaguya was prepping for is telling enough. Sasuke isn't going to involve people with no use,
not to mention their involvement as if they would be heavy contributors even with how strong Momo and Kin were, only being wrong because Momo could transform,
also not note-worthy?
Chojuro pierces Kinshiki's skin with a jutsu, which wouldn't be possible if they weren't relative as we see with Sasuke being unable to cut Fused Momo
Kuro's restraints have Kinshiki groaning in pain and struggling to free himself, and obviously, Gaara blocked an attack from Fused Momo.
none of this would be possible without some level of relativity, not to mention they all took attacks from him and were up minutes later.
also are we not gonna act like Base Naruto, before and after losing Kurama, was still a threat to these beings? his SPSM is a product of Kurama that he no longer has not to mention isn't using in base anyways.
her first and only source of scaling was damaging someone above Jigen, there is no amount of cope that's gonna salvage this being an outlier since everyone she'll fight from now on will also be stronger than they were previously.
yeah, that's not what an outlier is.
its a single instance that goes against established individual character precedence or contradicts the narrative.
and last time I checked doesn't have that. nor does the Boruto series say "No normal being can surpass one with SPC, Otsutsuki power, or Shibai blood.
seems to me like copium.
So when are you gonna spaz out again?
Do we categorize the last Naruto as new era?we could always separate shippuden and new era scaling from one another
Bakugan is a good example cause every single person goes from City Block Level to as strong as the Godliest universe-creating power of their verse, that should be completely unattainable and No one in-verse questions it or talks about it, it just happens.What I don't understand is this: Why do you find it ridiculous that the Kages have reached a level where they can fight the Otsutsuki? Just because their title is "KAGE" does not mean that their power level will be at most "Kage level". There is a 16-17 year difference between Shippuden and Boruto. Why should the characters stay at the same power level? Just because a character was Bijuu level 17 years ago, that is, 6-C, Low 6-B according to this wiki, does not mean that this character cannot be Otsutsuki level in its current form, that is, 5-C if we adapt it according to this wiki. Correct me if I'm wrong, as far as I know, in this wiki, if a character proves that he is in a tier, it does not care whether it makes sense for him to be in this tier according to the logic of the series.
For example, in Bakugan, 80% of the series is 2-C due to the power feats of Drago and Naga. Let me tell you about Drago and Naga, these characters are the two strongest characters of the 1st season and no one can defeat them, but Naga's Paladins both damage Drago, who is 2-C, and withstand Drago's attack. Drago's friends also help Drago and defeat the Paladins and get 2-C from there. Normally, someone who watches Bakugan says, "How can Preyas destroy someone who can cause trouble for Drago?" I can show many series other than Bakugan as examples of this. In my eyes, Boruto Era Gokage's scaling from Momoshiki and Kinshiki is not ridiculous at all. We saw in Shippuden that Kakashi had difficulty against Kakuzu, then he became able to cause trouble against Pain, who was much stronger than Kakuzu, and then he threw a speed blitz at Edo Jinchuriki, who was probably stronger than Pain, and finally We saw him fight Kashin Koji's clone even though he didn't have a Sharingan. For example, I have never seen anyone say about a character in Dragon Ball discussions, "This character used to be 5-A, but now how did he reach 2-C power in this battle?"
As you can see, there is no point in thinking with the logic of "How did the character go from 10-B to 2-C in one day?", just because he was 10-B, but one day later he performed a 2-C Feat and became 2-C. In this wiki, we saw that Ben Tennyson, who was 10-B, became 5-A 5 years later. Saying that Ben couldn't have gotten his body to a 5-A level in 5 years, that's ridiculous, doesn't lower his rating.