Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[That_moron2]

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[karo_senpaii]

Someone on the Boruto anime staff is definitely a Hiruzen glazer

Konohamaru is really gonna be a Perfect Sage and summoning Monkey King Tenma fighting with Shinju that give Boruto trouble and he'll still say

"If only I had the power of the Third Lord, I would've defeated these guys in an instant, my training...has been insufficient"

All this time we only needed Prime Hiruzen to beat Isshiki and Code

Naa the opposite would happen. They'd say he has surpassed him

 

[MinatoSparkle]

"I've finally become twice as strong as my grandfather"

 

[karo_senpaii]

Someone on the Boruto anime staff is definitely a Hiruzen glazer

Konohamaru is really gonna be a Perfect Sage and summoning Monkey King Tenma fighting with Shinju that give Boruto trouble and he'll still say

"If only I had the power of the Third Lord, I would've defeated these guys in an instant, my training...has been insufficient"

All this time we only needed Prime Hiruzen to beat Isshiki and Code

5D shibai getting smoked by the shinjutsu rasengan is replicating

 

[karo_senpaii]

"I've finally become twice as strong as my grandfather"

Kishimoto is allergic to multipliers. Can't happen

 

[That_moron2]

All this time we only needed Prime Hiruzen to beat Isshiki and Code

Prime Hiruzen has no antifeats.

 

[SlendVeny]

Kishimoto is allergic to multipliers. Can't happen

"I've finally become 1.25 times as strong as my grandfather was in his prime."

 

[KaydeeX]

Isshiki's ass if Prime Hiruzen was in the village when he invaded

 

[SlendVeny]

Isshiki's ass if Prime Hiruzen was in the village when he invaded

Somebody write a fanfic about what would happen if Prime Hiruzen was 5-C.

 

[HelloThere1089]

Somebody write a fanfic about what would happen if Prime Hiruzen was 5-C.

It'll about him justifying to Naruto that his parents needed to die because he was nerfed from his awesome Moon level AP to Island level AP.

 

[HelloThere1089]

Somebody write a fanfic about what would happen if Prime Hiruzen was 5-C.

"Back in my days, we used to bust moons with our nuts"

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Is Shippuden Shikamaru packing up Chunin Exams Sasuke?

 

[SlendVeny]

It'll about him justifying to Naruto that his parents needed to die because he was nerfed from his awesome Moon level AP to Island level AP.

Wait but that would be really funny.

 

[SlendVeny]

Is Shippuden Shikamaru packing up Chunin Exams Sasuke?

Yes

 

[HelloThere1089]

Wait but that would be really funny.

Hiruzen explaining to Naruto that he lost his 10^29 J energy output that he had in his prime.

 

[SlendVeny]

Hiruzen explaining to Naruto that he lost his 10^29 J energy output that he had in his prime.

"Look, I tried to oneshot him. I really did. But sometimes you get old, and you can't hit as hard anymore. I just can't fight on par with him these days. I'm getting weak, Naruto. You want to be Hokage? Get as strong as I was back then. The world's gonna need it."

 

[HelloThere1089]

"Look, I tried to oneshot him. I really did. But sometimes you get old, and you can't hit as hard anymore. I just can't fight on par with him these days. I'm getting weak, Naruto. You want to be Hokage? Get as strong as I was back then. The world's gonna need it."

"Remember the words 'moon level' kid. That's your peak too."

 

[SlendVeny]

"Remember the words 'moon level' kid. That's your peak too."

"Holy shit, Madara, you are so lucky I'm old rn."

 

[AnimesFreak2]

Yall are goobers fr lmao

 

[KingogKings777]

Yall are goobers fr lmao

You doubt the third's true power. There was a reason he was called God of Shinobi.

 

[SlendVeny]

Ok, if we assume Prime Hiruzen to be half as strong as a Juubi Spawn that roughly scales to Base Boruto, that would barely change anything, since he has no fights in his prime. I suppose maybe he could end the war before a bunch of people, including Obito, died. If so, Madara is just boned.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

I guess you missed the Kawaki & Himawari arc and a lot of the fillers that come between

the Himawari and kawaki arc is 13 episodes long, in 293 episode run of a show

. And I judge the anime as a whole. You can argue the frequency has decreased because they decided to catch up to the manga, but the fact remains that a good chunk was needlessly slice of life-ish.

the slice of life elements took a backseat after the first arc which is less than 15 episodes, after that Slice of Life were minor one off episodes or 3 episode arcs between major ones, but even then you havent qualified what makes it bad outside of saying its slice of life.

And I get you point about making the world feel lived in, but at some point you gotta set your priorities straight. A lot of anime make their world feel lived in without dedicating entire arcs to childish and lazy writing.

you have yet to qualify this, what makes this childish or lazy, there are a few arcs i would consider to meet this but your not giving an example, given i can point to arcs that dont meet this and are entirely anime original, also define childish in this context

Right. But I'm talking about the numerous side characters of anime not manga. There was that samurai girl, that kakashi wannabe, that scientist kid, and many more that are pointless characters.

Why are they pointless?, does every character have to be involved with every major plot point ever?, are haku and zabuza pointless characters because they not relevant in the kaguya fight

They don't matter and create needless clutter that take up unreal amounts of the runtime, which is a pointless investment as a viewer because it's not gonna matter.

of course they matter, they change and grow, which is the basics of storytelling, the only reason you would consider it being pointless is if your viewing it solely from the lens that you only care about the manga character inherently and you dont want them to spend time on characters that arnt in the manga, but thats not an anime issue thats a personal issue, not everyone views the anime as means to an end as just an adaptation of the manga, which its not.

The world building is better but that doesn't mean the quality is better.

its both

It should have been seamless and not arcs solely dedicated to world building.

there isnt a single arc solely dedicated to worldbuilding?, the worldbuilding come naturally to whatever story its trying to tell

I hate to bring up AOT, but it didn't need an entire arc to show us the lives of each side character.

neither did boruto, but thats also ignoring the fact that AOT very much a different show to Boruto and how each series tackles world building is inherently going to be different

I know the manga doesn't have any world building, but I prefer zero more than a negative. But that's just me, and I understand if you like it the other way around.

its that i dont consider it a net negative but a positive, and this is coming from someone who actually complains about a lot of things in the show

A story is engaging when the storytelling is consistent.

thats not true a story is engaging because the viewer finds something that captivates them, whatever that is going to range from person to person

Take FMAB for instance. Every character was shown for a purpose and mattered.

and they the boruto cast does have a purpose, its create a lived in world, as oppose to a ghost town like how the manga treats it, boruto having a larger supporting cast of friends because it retroactively justifies why a ton of plot points happen the way they do and why we should care, most obvious being the main twist of part 1.

I find it funny that you find my example disingenuous yet you mentioned Sumire who is one of the very very few characters that the story actually carried forward. You can't ignore the sheer bulk of characters that were left in the dust. But I digress. I only mentioned the timeslip arc because it is easier to explain that example because of it's blatant-ness. But other arcs do similar in terms of how much they actually matter.

left in the dust, you mean those that dont appear in the manga im assuming, that irrelevant, the anime isnt the manga.

Yeah I agree. Maybe I worded it wrong, but manga fights in anime are much better than in the manga. What I meant to say is that, when I average everything out, I find manga's quality better than the anime. The anime might have it's perks, but it makes a lot of sacrifices while executing those perks which end up reducing the overall quality for me.

i wasnt talking about the fights just the general story, the Mujina bandits arc,Kawaki arc and pretty much most of the manga arcs are better from a storytelling POV, because they either fix issues that existed in the manga or add context that wasnt there before to enhance it.

Now you are just making excuses for the studio. I know why their quality is low. The fact tho is that it is still bad.

Thats my point it isnt, the only reason you may think that is if your only exposure to anime is from already successful anime or stuff from prestine studios. on average its above the industry standard, most anime look like boruto filler episodes on a seasonal schedule, you need to realize stuff like JJK, Demon slayer and even MHA are not the norm. for every FMA brotherhood theres thousands of anime that have quality below even some of boruto's worst episodes. Off course you can still say that you would vastly prefer if they actually did make it seasonal so the average quality could be increased and instead of having a show with average animation, sometimes bad and sometimes great, you would have a consistent good to great, but thats en entirely different topic.

Please do not make me write out a list of all the cheap nostalgia baits throughout the years.

having a few calls back spread over 200+ episodes isnt nostalgia bait

Sure and you are entitled to your own opinion. I just rather have something done right or none at all.

Id rather have something attempt and do something even if it means having a hit or miss now and again than something never attempting anything and still being below the misses of the one that attempted something.

obviously you dont have to agree with me, the point isnt that your wrong, you cant exactly be wrong for experiencing art but its def not a sentiment i agree with.

 

[HelloThere1089]

the Himawari and kawaki arc is 13 episodes long, in 293 episode run of a show

the slice of life elements took a backseat after the first arc which is less than 15 episodes, after that Slice of Life were minor one off episodes or 3 episode arcs between major ones, but even then you havent qualified what makes it bad outside of saying its slice of life.

Come on now.

• First 40-ish episodes were heavily slice of life.
• Chocho arc
• Parent and child arc
• Steam Ninja scrolls arc
• Konohamaru's love arc was pretty light hearted
• One tail escort arc
• Time slip arc is the worst arc
• Kawaki and Himawari arc
• Every filler episode that comes in between arcs

I acknowledged in my previous comment that the frequency has decreased but the damage has been done. The problem with having so much slice of life/childish arcs is not that they are inherently bad, but that it makes Boruto's target audience much lower than the manga's. Which is why I can't take it seriously. Also the plot tends to be horribly lame in such arcs. Which is a result of unoriginal ideas from the studios because they need to keep the anime running.

you have yet to qualify this, what makes this childish or lazy, there are a few arcs i would consider to meet this but your not giving an example, given i can point to arcs that dont meet this and are entirely anime original, also define childish in this context

I never said there aren't anime original arcs that aren't childish. You seem to argue that the existence of good arcs absolves the show from being called anything bad. It's the opposite for me.

Why are they pointless?, does every character have to be involved with every major plot point ever?, are haku and zabuza pointless characters because they not relevant in the kaguya fight

Haku and Zabuza died didn't they? A better example would be Rock Lee and Neji. And yes, this is bad writing imo.

of course they matter, they change and grow, which is the basics of storytelling, the only reason you would consider it being pointless is if your viewing it solely from the lens that you only care about the manga character inherently and you dont want them to spend time on characters that arnt in the manga, but thats not an anime issue thats a personal issue, not everyone views the anime as means to an end as just an adaptation of the manga, which its not.

Agree to disagree. I seriously doubt there are gonna be any serious implications for the character of Shukaku just because of the events of the one tail escort arc. I understand that we value different things. You value character development, and I value the overall flow and consistency of the storytelling.

its both

Agree to disagree.

there isnt a single arc solely dedicated to worldbuilding?, the worldbuilding come naturally to whatever story its trying to tell

By worldbuilding, I meant an arc solely for Chocho and stuff like that.

neither did boruto, but thats also ignoring the fact that AOT very much a different show to Boruto and how each series tackles world building is inherently going to be different

Come on now. Refer to my list above. There are arcs solely focused on a side character just to increase content. Yes AOT and Boruto are different. AOT is much better in terms of storytelling. Which is why I used it's example. Also I don't want you to misunderstand what I mean. Changing protagonist for an arc isn't inherently bad. But there is a clear difference in motive between the Kawaki and Himawari arc and the Yorknew city arc.

its that i dont consider it a net negative but a positive, and this is coming from someone who actually complains about a lot of things in the show

Agree to disagree.

thats not true a story is engaging because the viewer finds something that captivates them, whatever that is going to range from person to person

True. I am engaged in shows that have a consistent quality and narrative style.

and they the boruto cast does have a purpose, its create a lived in world, as oppose to a ghost town like how the manga treats it, boruto having a larger supporting cast of friends because it retroactively justifies why a ton of plot points happen the way they do and why we should care, most obvious being the main twist of part 1.

Like I said the anime has perks, but it looses a lot of quality while executing those perks. I get that Chocho is Boruto's friend or that Himawari is Kawaki's friend, but I could do without those god awful arcs. I prefer the manga over the story of Wasabi and her team, or that Kakashi wannabe.

left in the dust, you mean those that dont appear in the manga im assuming, that irrelevant, the anime isnt the manga.

I mean those that do appear in anime, but without any purpose. I don't agree that dedicating and entire arc to a no name character just to make us understand that Boruto has friends is good writing. But let's agree to disagree.

i wasnt talking about the fights just the general story, the Mujina bandits arc,Kawaki arc and pretty much most of the manga arcs are better from a storytelling POV, because they either fix issues that existed in the manga or add context that wasnt there before to enhance it.

Sure. But like I said previously, when I average everything out, I find Manga's quality to be better than the Anime.

Thats my point it isnt, the only reason you may think that is if your only exposure to anime is from already successful anime or stuff from prestine studios. on average its above the industry standard, most anime look like boruto filler episodes on a seasonal schedule, you need to realize stuff like JJK, Demon slayer and even MHA are not the norm. for every FMA brotherhood theres thousands of anime that have quality below even some of boruto's worst episodes. Off course you can still say that you would vastly prefer if they actually did make it seasonal so the average quality could be increased and instead of having a show with average animation, sometimes bad and sometimes great, you would have a consistent good to great, but thats en entirely different topic.

I have seen a lot of bad anime too. More that I'd like. Boruto anime when it's not handling manga content or arcs that lead up to manga content, is one of the worst shows I've ever seen. The anime for me is 5/10, while the manga is 7/10. For reference, I've seen a show where some dude's sister is a light novel writer and she wants him to get credit or something. It was horrible. 3/10

having a few calls back spread over 200+ episodes isnt nostalgia bait

I wouldn't call them a few. If Boruto doesn't have nostalgia baits then nostalgia baits aren't a thing. Boruto is riddled with callbacks, parallels, reuse, etc. And not in a way that is classy.

Id rather have something attempt and do something even if it means having a hit or miss now and again than something never attempting anything and still being below the misses of the one that attempted something.

Agree to disagree. I also don't agree that the manga is below the misses of the anime.

obviously you dont have to agree with me, the point isnt that your wrong, you cant exactly be wrong for experiencing art but its def not a sentiment i agree with.

ok.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Mitsuki on some serious smoke. First citing of boruto and he is already in snake sage mode

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Come on now.

• First 40-ish episodes were heavily slice of life.

no?, is the chunin exams in naruto slice of life, is naruto gaiden slice of life?, no none of these are slice of life, your conflating smaller stakes with slice of life.

• Chocho arc

67-69 3 episodes long

• Parent and child arc

93-95, 3 episodes long

• Steam Ninja scrolls arc

thats not a slice of life arc....

• Konohamaru's love arc was pretty light hearted

now your shifting the goalpost, it went from it being slice of life vs lighthearted, also not really, this arc has 1 episode thats lighthearted and then it focuses on a generational spirit that possesses people and murders family members

• One tail escort arc

not a slice of life arc, and it builds Boruto and Shinki's relationship

• Time slip arc is the worst arc

actually the Konohamaru love arc is worse but i digress

• Kawaki and Himawari arc

I'm actually gonna assume you didnt watch it, i dont like the arc myself, but i find it funny that your using this as an example

• Every filler episode that comes in between arcs

Not really, the fillers between major arcs are a mixed between recap, action missions and then SOL, also when i say major arcs im including major anime only arcs as well as the internal production from the studio does separate these

The problem with having so much slice of life/childish arcs is not that they are inherently bad, but that it makes Boruto's target audience much lower than the manga's.

uhhhh yeah, Boruto is aimed at a younger demographic...I'm not sure if you knew that, why do you think its in the timeslot that it is in, that being said im curious what demographic do you think the manga is for

. Also the plot tends to be horribly lame in such arcs. Which is a result of unoriginal ideas from the studios because they need to keep the anime running.

this is such a blanket statement, you need to define lame and why its lame outside of saying its lame, I understand personal preference is a thing but

I never said there aren't anime original arcs that aren't childish. You seem to argue that the existence of good arcs absolves the show from being called anything bad. It's the opposite for me.

I never said that,

Haku and Zabuza died didn't they? A better example would be Rock Lee and Neji. And yes, this is bad writing imo.

then goodluck calling anything good, including some of the most celebrated works like Lord of the rings, Journey to the west .

Agree to disagree.

By worldbuilding, I meant an arc solely for Chocho and stuff like that.

thats not worldbuilding when i say worldbuilding i mean stuff like the existence of peace in the ninja world has caused a massive boom in a large variety of industries that has allowed the modernization of Naruto's world like it never has before, but as with a lot of things the progression of technology has homogenized and industrialized certain industries that have long since been built on the back of manual and low skill workers who are now displaced in a growing expansion of Automation, this has created a growing dissatisfaction among your blue collar workers that has escalates in a conflict of tradition vs progression but one thats just as easy to exploit by external forces for their own needs. thats what i would consider good worldbuilding given its using the premise of its story as a cause and effect to set its stake and plot. and this above is referencing an actual very specific arc in boruto.

True. I am engaged in shows that have a consistent quality and narrative style.

I find that vague and unconvincing.

Sure. But like I said previously, when I average everything out, I find Manga's quality to be better than the Anime.

thats fine, i do not though.

I have seen a lot of bad anime too. More that I'd like. Boruto anime when it's not handling manga content or arcs that lead up to manga content, is one of the worst shows I've ever seen.

then you need to watch more anime or just stories in general that or you just been really really lucky, theres well over 5 series i can tell you are worse than boruto in production and writing that released during the same season that the cho cho arc aired. I mean part 1 naruto alone has filler episodes that are specifically worse than anything in Boruto.

The anime for me is 5/10, while the manga is 7/10

The anime is a 6 for me and so is the manga, but the manga is a 6 solely cause of the last arc in part 1.

. For reference, I've seen a show where some dude's sister is a light novel writer and she wants him to get credit or something. It was horrible. 3/10

thats not really a good example, theres ton of anime with garbage writing that have fantastic animation and directing and vice versa.

I wouldn't call them a few. If Boruto doesn't have nostalgia baits then nostalgia baits aren't a thing. Boruto is riddled with callbacks, parallels, reuse, etc. And not in a way that is classy.

this seems like a bunch of buzzwords to me unless you can give me examples and why they bad outside of just they callbacks or parallels

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Shadow v HelloThere conflict circa 2023 colorized

 

[HelloThere1089]

no?, is the chunin exams in naruto slice of life, is naruto gaiden slice of life?, no none of these are slice of life, your conflating smaller stakes with slice of life.

67-69 3 episodes long

93-95, 3 episodes long

thats not a slice of life arc....

now your shifting the goalpost, it went from it being slice of life vs lighthearted, also not really, this arc has 1 episode thats lighthearted and then it focuses on a generational spirit that possesses people and murders family members

not a slice of life arc, and it builds Boruto and Shinki's relationship

actually the Konohamaru love arc is worse but i digress

Just to clarify something. In my initial comment I said the words "light hearted sitcoms". You were the one who introduced the term SOL. I just went with it because I assumed you understood the gist of it. But clearly you don't. Also I would like to clarify now that when I said that, I didn't mean Boruto literally is a sitcom, just that it seems like it a lot of the times.

I'm actually gonna assume you didnt watch it, i dont like the arc myself, but i find it funny that your using this as an example

I have watched it. And I stand by what I said.

uhhhh yeah, Boruto is aimed at a younger demographic...I'm not sure if you knew that, why do you think its in the timeslot that it is in, that being said im curious what demographic do you think the manga is for

I know what demographic it is aimed for. What made you think I questioned that? I just said I can't take it seriously just like I can't take Dora the Explorer seriously (exaggeration ofcs). Saying Dora is aimed for kids doesn't really refute what I said. It only strengthens my argument that it is too childish for my taste. I'm not sure why you want to disagree with that.

this is such a blanket statement, you need to define lame and why its lame outside of saying its lame, I understand personal preference is a thing but

My initial comment was all about how I can't take the anime seriously. I didn't intend it as a "change my mind" comment. Why would I need to justify why I find something lame when you are just gonna say "well I don't". Ofcs people have different tastes.

then goodluck calling anything good, including some of the most celebrated works like Lord of the rings, Journey to the west .

I really couldn't care less about these two. Haven't watched or read them either.

thats not worldbuilding when i say worldbuilding i mean stuff like the existence of peace in the ninja world has caused a massive boom in a large variety of industries that has allowed the modernization of Naruto's world like it never has before, but as with a lot of things the progression of technology has homogenized and industrialized certain industries that have long since been built on the back of manual and low skill workers who are now displaced in a growing expansion of Automation, this has created a growing dissatisfaction among your blue collar workers that has escalates in a conflict of tradition vs progression but one thats just as easy to exploit by external forces for their own needs. thats what i would consider good worldbuilding given its using the premise of its story as a cause and effect to set its stake and plot. and this above is referencing an actual very specific arc in boruto.

Ok. It's a byproduct then. Still the arcs themselves brought down the quality for me.

I find that vague and unconvincing.

Ok? Lol. I can live with that.

thats fine, i do not though.

Good. And I won't debate you on that.

then you need to watch more anime or just stories in general that or you just been really really lucky, theres well over 5 series i can tell you are worse than boruto in production and writing that released during the same season that the cho cho arc aired. I mean part 1 naruto alone has filler episodes that are specifically worse than anything in Boruto.

No. I don't think I will. I don't want to torture myself. I rated the anime a 5/10. The shows that you are going to mention can occupy the ratings 1-4.

The anime is a 6 for me and so is the manga, but the manga is a 6 solely cause of the last arc in part 1.

Cheers.

thats not really a good example, theres ton of anime with garbage writing that have fantastic animation and directing and vice versa.

Right. I just mentioned that example to let you know that I've had my fair share of garbage anime so my perspective isn't skewed like you initially implied.

this seems like a bunch of buzzwords to me unless you can give me examples and why they bad outside of just they callbacks or parallels

But that doesn't really matter does it? I can give you a list and that might not be enough for you. People have different thresholds for how much nostalgia, giddy-ness etc. they can take. I don't understand why we are even having this discussion in the first place. My initial comment was about why I can't take something seriously. Do you care that much about what I like? I don't understand why you are asking me to prove to you why I find something too lighthearted, or inconsistent, or lame for my taste. When you agreed that people have different interests.

 

[HelloThere1089]

Shadow v HelloThere conflict circa 2023 colorized

I thought it isn't that deep. But clearly it is. And it should be 2024. Happy new year.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

And it should be 2024. Happy new year.

But being a year old makes it more legit or as cheeto man once said

 

[Nierre]

Not sure if this is real, but if so we finally get to see Mitsuki make a move.

Sage Mode Mitsuki is hella dope

 

[HelloThere1089]

Not sure if this is real, but if so we finally get to see Mitsuki make a move.

Sage Mode Mitsuki is hella dope

Edit: A bit too soon tho. So I'm still doubtful.
Edit 2: It seems like it's a preview. So it's plausible.

 

[Testarossa002]

Time for mitsuki to get that god tier scaling

 

[Nierre]

Edit: A bit too soon tho. So I'm still doubtful.
Edit 2: It seems like it's a preview. So it's plausible.

 

[HelloThere1089]

Spoiler: Average Burrito character pose

 

[ssgengar]

Sage Mode Mitsuki is hella dope

Agreed SM Mitsuki looks it would be cool if he uses that sage dragon jutsu we saw Kabuto use, I always liked that jutsu

 

[SlendVeny]

Spoiler: Average Burrito character pose

Jojo Bizarre Adventure

 

[HelloThere1089]

Jojo Bizarre Adventure

Yeah. Especially the later parts.

 

[Mamaroza]

Time for mitsuki to get that god tier scaling

4C Mitsuki

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Damn… Mitsuki really said it’s on sight!

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Gonna be interesting if Mitsuki learned some Durability Negation Hax to close that Gap. More than likely, Shikamaru is gonna stop Mitsuki though…