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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

UchihaSlayer96 said:
Yeaaaa....

In fairness, this is a pretty old calc, so maybe if it gets a more updated recalc it yields something higher, but I really don't see it being anything useful, even if WA Juubi were to scale to it (which he wouldn't).
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Maybe Juubidara since he has all of Bijuus 1-8 and half of Kurama (tho it would be arbitrary at that point)?
UchihaSlayer96 said:
I don't see it going past 6-B-ish.
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I thought it'd be higher given the calc of Konoha vaporization being High 6-B+ 😔
 
Yo guys, what's your opinion on this Kaguya's ETSO being universal argument that someone made?
    • "" The argument is mix of Amatersau's (a Uni Naruto scaler on TikTok) and Seth's recent Saitama vs Naruto vid (using the definition of the word sekai as supporting evidence for this uni position) (edited)
  2. So, the argument sorta goes something like this:When Kaguya spawned from Madara basically imploding on himself due to the sheer chakra piling into him. She used her ability called the Amenominaka to switch the main Naruto dimension with the lava dimension. Later on in the fight Black Zetsu comments that when you transform the space of the world you expend a significant amount of chakra and the word he used to describe world was sekai, which can have 3 different definitions depending on the context.So why is switching or swapping the main Naruto dimension so significant? Well that's because the main Naruto dimension is basically a universe. Why is it a universe? Well there's tidbits of information that show it is based on our own original universe like toneri commenting on the Sagittarius constellation or Saturn's rings in the novels and just the billions of stars in the night sky. From this we can extrapolate a universe for the Main Naruto dimension. So since Kaguya's Amenominaka is her ability to move/switch dimensions with other dimensions, it would qualify for a universe lvl for being able to significantly affect any area of universe like moving it. What Black Zetsu says is important because he states that transforming the space of the world expends a significant amount of chakra so what that would mean is that her dimensions are either comparable in size to the main Naruto universe or bigger than it. And this universal interpretation is further supported due to sekai having really only 3 different interpretations which is either society, planet, or universe. We it can't be a society because Kaguya's dimensions don't house societies, it can't be planet because her dimensions are more than just planets as we see stars and moons in the background, so the interpretation of the sekai would be universe or something to that equivalent for Kaguya's dimensions.That's the argument for Kaguya's dimensions being universal in size for me. ""
  3. also saying "BM Naruto should undoubtedly scale above her ETSO due to the Majestic Attire Sussano Naruto & Sasuke use against Momoshiki being stated to be the strongest offensive and defensive ninjutsu and BM Naruto is superior to that. BM Naruto >Majestic Attire (Naruto & Sasuke) > ETSO"


 
MinatoSparkle said:
Maybe Juubidara since he has all of Bijuus 1-8 and half of Kurama (tho it would be arbitrary at that point)?
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A bit arbitrary probably, but maybe you argue some scaling chain via Hagoromo if you really wanted to.
Like, idk..... FP Juubi ~/>~ Hagoromo >~ Juubidara or something along those lines. I'm not the biggest fan of the Hagoromo/Madara stuff personally, but it's definitely a valid scaling avenue.
MinatoSparkle said:
I thought it'd be higher given the calc of Konoha vaporization being High 6-B+ 😔
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Hey, I mean, you never know. Maybe if Arc recalcs it, it yields something bonkers. Maybe ask him when he has some time.
 
TheDeadman21 said:
Yo guys, what's your opinion on this Kaguya's ETSO being universal argument that someone made?
    • "" The argument is mix of Amatersau's (a Uni Naruto scaler on TikTok) and Seth's recent Saitama vs Naruto vid (using the definition of the word sekai as supporting evidence for this uni position) (edited)
  2. So, the argument sorta goes something like this:When Kaguya spawned from Madara basically imploding on himself due to the sheer chakra piling into him. She used her ability called the Amenominaka to switch the main Naruto dimension with the lava dimension. Later on in the fight Black Zetsu comments that when you transform the space of the world you expend a significant amount of chakra and the word he used to describe world was sekai, which can have 3 different definitions depending on the context.So why is switching or swapping the main Naruto dimension so significant? Well that's because the main Naruto dimension is basically a universe. Why is it a universe? Well there's tidbits of information that show it is based on our own original universe like toneri commenting on the Sagittarius constellation or Saturn's rings in the novels and just the billions of stars in the night sky. From this we can extrapolate a universe for the Main Naruto dimension. So since Kaguya's Amenominaka is her ability to move/switch dimensions with other dimensions, it would qualify for a universe lvl for being able to significantly affect any area of universe like moving it. What Black Zetsu says is important because he states that transforming the space of the world expends a significant amount of chakra so what that would mean is that her dimensions are either comparable in size to the main Naruto universe or bigger than it. And this universal interpretation is further supported due to sekai having really only 3 different interpretations which is either society, planet, or universe. We it can't be a society because Kaguya's dimensions don't house societies, it can't be planet because her dimensions are more than just planets as we see stars and moons in the background, so the interpretation of the sekai would be universe or something to that equivalent for Kaguya's dimensions.That's the argument for Kaguya's dimensions being universal in size for me. ""
  3. also saying "BM Naruto should undoubtedly scale above her ETSO due to the Majestic Attire Sussano Naruto & Sasuke use against Momoshiki being stated to be the strongest offensive and defensive ninjutsu and BM Naruto is superior to that. BM Naruto >Majestic Attire (Naruto & Sasuke) > ETSO"

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looks good lets get it added to the profiles
 
TheDeadman21 said:
Yo guys, what's your opinion on this Kaguya's ETSO being universal argument that someone made?
    • "" The argument is mix of Amatersau's (a Uni Naruto scaler on TikTok) and Seth's recent Saitama vs Naruto vid (using the definition of the word sekai as supporting evidence for this uni position) (edited)
  2. So, the argument sorta goes something like this:When Kaguya spawned from Madara basically imploding on himself due to the sheer chakra piling into him. She used her ability called the Amenominaka to switch the main Naruto dimension with the lava dimension. Later on in the fight Black Zetsu comments that when you transform the space of the world you expend a significant amount of chakra and the word he used to describe world was sekai, which can have 3 different definitions depending on the context.So why is switching or swapping the main Naruto dimension so significant? Well that's because the main Naruto dimension is basically a universe. Why is it a universe? Well there's tidbits of information that show it is based on our own original universe like toneri commenting on the Sagittarius constellation or Saturn's rings in the novels and just the billions of stars in the night sky. From this we can extrapolate a universe for the Main Naruto dimension. So since Kaguya's Amenominaka is her ability to move/switch dimensions with other dimensions, it would qualify for a universe lvl for being able to significantly affect any area of universe like moving it. What Black Zetsu says is important because he states that transforming the space of the world expends a significant amount of chakra so what that would mean is that her dimensions are either comparable in size to the main Naruto universe or bigger than it. And this universal interpretation is further supported due to sekai having really only 3 different interpretations which is either society, planet, or universe. We it can't be a society because Kaguya's dimensions don't house societies, it can't be planet because her dimensions are more than just planets as we see stars and moons in the background, so the interpretation of the sekai would be universe or something to that equivalent for Kaguya's dimensions.That's the argument for Kaguya's dimensions being universal in size for me. ""
  3. also saying "BM Naruto should undoubtedly scale above her ETSO due to the Majestic Attire Sussano Naruto & Sasuke use against Momoshiki being stated to be the strongest offensive and defensive ninjutsu and BM Naruto is superior to that. BM Naruto >Majestic Attire (Naruto & Sasuke) > ETSO"

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Everything you said here is valid but getting it passed on the wiki is where the real issue lies.
 
Yes her dimensions are at least comparable in size to the main universe and switching them each takes a lot of chakra. They have also been confirmed to be parallel dimensions in the novel and the Boruto anime. So yes they are right.
 
Samlex1234 said:
Yes her dimensions are at least comparable in size to the main universe and switching them each takes a lot of chakra. They have also been confirmed to be parallel dimensions in the novel and the Boruto anime. So yes they are right.
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Yeah I thought it's valid except the last part where he says ""BM Naruto should undoubtedly scale above her ETSO due to the Majestic Attire Sussano Naruto & Sasuke use against Momoshiki being stated to be the strongest offensive and defensive ninjutsu and BM Naruto is superior to that. BM Naruto >Majestic Attire (Naruto & Sasuke) > ETSO""
I think Kaguya doesn't scale to her ETSO at all physically and Naruto and Sasuke's BM and Susanoo just can't be that much higher than their phyisicals, Planet level to Universal. Ishhiki wouldn't be able to even scratch Susanoo if that was the case. May be that statement was about the current world, not counting Kaguya.
 
TheDeadman21 said:
Yeah, I thought it was valid except the last part where he says ""BM Naruto should undoubtedly scale above her ETSO due to the Majestic Attire Sussano Naruto & Sasuke use against Momoshiki being stated to be the strongest offensive and defensive ninjutsu and BM Naruto is superior to that. BM Naruto >Majestic Attire (Naruto & Sasuke) > ETSO""
I think Kaguya doesn't scale to her ETSO at all physically and Naruto and Sasuke's BM and Susanoo just can't be that much higher than their phyisicals, Planet level to Universal. Ishhiki wouldn't be able to even scratch Susanoo if that was the case. May be that statement was about the current world, not counting Kaguya.
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I hold a contrary belief. I think it is perfectly reasonable for adult Naruto and Sasuke to scale far beyond the current planetary-level feats we have. That said, even if they were multi-galaxy level, the gap between that and universal scale is still immense.
The power scaling hierarchy follows this order:
Baryon Mode Naruto >~ Isshiki > Code > Jigen > MAS > Golem Momo > Fused Momoshiki >~ Full power Adult Naruto > Base Momoshiki >~ Kaguya > Ten Tails Hagoromo> Ten-Tails ~ Byakugan Hagoromo + Hamura, possibly > Old Hagoromo.

Old Hagoromo is the one who performed the feat we currently have. While it is unclear just how powerful Ten-Tails Hagoromo would be, he should be significantly stronger than his older self without the Ten-Tails, as well as his younger self who fought the Juubi without it and still weaker than Base Kaguya. Isshiki is far far greater than MAS and it is not even close
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
Honestly, I feel the Sword of Nunoboku is pure nonsense at this point.
  1. Hagoromo didn’t “create” the world with it. Earth/Humanity Existed long before he was even thought of.
  2. Chakra existed within Humanity before Kaguya/Isshiki came (It was the reason they came).
  3. He was comfortably stronger than Naruto & Sasuke sans his wavering will. Destroying the world just to kill them was antithetical to his entire life’s plan, nor has he ever been presented as unhinged like that.
Quite frankly, I believe it to be a stupid assertion. How can it destroy something it was never used to create in the first place? Kishimoto contradicted the sword there. And the idea that Obito destroy the world in that moment is pure boof. Nothing supports or justifies the Sword of Nunoboku being able to do that.

Juubito already scales over comfortably over Madara / Hashirama (Idk if my CRT about the scaling was ever applied but we had the debate forsure and it passed).
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I don't feel arguing over 3 right now

But for 1 and 2...we already kind of came to the conclusion that by "creating the lands" with his sword it was moreso in reference to remaking the lands/planet's surface after the battle he and Hamura had with the Juubi

Hence "creating the shinobi world"
 
MinatoSparkle said:
Cool statement https://naruto-official.com/news/01_1743?nolangsuggestion=1
最強の尾獣・十尾に忍連合軍が総力を結集して立ち向かっていた時のことでした。
It was when the Ninja Alliance had concentrated all their strength to confront the strongest Tailed Beast, the Ten Tails.

Pretty solid statement for WA Juubi>Kurama
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You know, there's actually a statement in there calling 2-eyed Juubidara the strongest, I bet you could use that to argue him above Saiken.
 
me when i write walls of text and i lose everything cause of a refresh

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Ghostimuscrime said:
what I do in these situations is refresh again, parts of it get loaded back sometimes (draft feature is so asss here)
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:( didnt work but i know what you mean, ive closed tabs before by accident and it still saved it.

so idk what the requirement is to keep the cache
 
For fun; which characters (not counting through the use of Izanagi or Edo Tensei) in just Shippuden would be able to survive Konan's 600 Billion Paper Bombs trap, assuming they were put into the same situation that Obito was?
 
Damage3245 said:
For fun; which characters (not counting through the use of Izanagi or Edo Tensei) in just Shippuden would be able to survive Konan's 600 Billion Paper Bombs trap, assuming they were put into the same situation that Obito was?
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I would say any character that can go around the whole earth 7 times in less than a second.
 
Damage3245 said:
For fun; which characters (not counting through the use of Izanagi or Edo Tensei) in just Shippuden would be able to survive Konan's 600 Billion Paper Bombs trap, assuming they were put into the same situation that Obito was?
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  • Minato: Teleports away with Flying Raijin.
  • Tobirama: Pretty much the same as Minato, but with the caveat that he has sealing formulas placed outside of the explosives' range.
  • Madara: Uses the Susano'o to protect himself.
  • Hashirama: Erects a Mokuton barrier. (if it can save him from a 100% Kurama Bijūdama, it can save him from this imo)
  • Kurama Mode Naruto: At worst, I think his Kurama Avatar should save him.
  • EMS Sasuke: Again, should be able to do the same thing as KLM Naruto, at least when he reaches his peak during the Juubito fight.
  • Onoki-Amped 4th Raikage: Ay's enhanced speed alongside the ability to fly granted by Onoki should allow him to escape the explosives' range imo.
People who I'm not 100% sure about, but might conditionally be able to if we're generous:-
  • Pain/Nagato: Maybe he can absorb the explosions, but I'm not a 100% sure on that one. A super powerful Shinra Tensei would push the papers away, but Konan would pounce on him during the cool down, so it wouldn't save him.
  • Itachi: If a healthy Itachi can keep the Yata Mirror up for 10 minutes, then he survives, but otherwise he's cooked.
  • Prime Orochimaru: If we assume he can continuously use the Orochimaru-Style Substitution Jutsu for 10 minutes straight, which is a bit of a stretch, but yeah.

Those are the ones I thought of off the top of my head. Obviously didn't include any Six Paths tier characters because that's boring lol.
 
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