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What small changes would you guys make to some of the character's powers and abilities in the series if you could rewrite tiny details in hindsight?

I'd have made the 2nd Mizukage have Boil Release Kekkei Genkai. He already has Water Release and Fire Release necessary for it, and it suits his infinitely exploding Steam Imp ninjutsu.

Likewise Gaara should have full Magnet Release (he does get that confirmed in a novel, but he might as well have it fully in the manga after he defeats his father).
For Naruto, I'd change it so he can always share his thoughts throughout his clones, like 1 single mind operating a thousand clones at the same time. Also I'd change him fully utilizing the chakra natures he got from the Tailed beasts or even possibly combine them.

For Sasuke, all I'd change is that he spams Genjutsu every battle, for such a seemingly almost op ability inverse to disorient his opponents he barely uses it.

For Sakura, all she needs is a big ass axe.

I'd also make Shikamaru and the Nara clan the worst opponents to face during sun down. There's probably a lot more but this is all I can think of right now.
 
@Shadowbokunohero

Masashi Kishimoto (The Writer), Caramel Mama (production company), Shueisha (Publishing company)

“Caramel Mama is a Japanese production company that specializes in editing and producing supplementary materials for major anime and manga franchises”. It is important to note that they are a production company, meaning their primary role is assisting mangakas with the production and editing of materials like databooks. Nowhere in the scans you gave me does it ever state that Caramel Mama or its staff are writers because they are not.

Their role is to provide editing assistance, which involves mainly non-creative tasks such as: Correcting grammar, typos, and inconsistencies,

Organizing content for clarity and readability.

Providing feedback on pacing, structure, or flow.

At no point do they generate the ideas, content, or concepts themselves. All the information, ideas, and creative content in the databooks were written and created by Masashi Kishimoto, the original author. Caramel Mama’s role was simply to produce and refine the content that Kishimoto had already developed. Their contributions are essential but strictly supportive, ensuring the final product meets professional standards without altering or adding to the original ideas.

Masashi Kishimoto is credited as the only Author of the databook. Meaning he was the sole creator and originator of the contents in the Databooks. By the way, every Popular mangaka has a production team even for Manga, a team that helps to cross-check their original content, because guess what, it is impossible for the author to do all of these things by himself.

Let's take a look at the scans you provided



Translation:

Editing Assistance: Caramel Mama, Hideyuki Suzuki, Toshitaka Ishida, Takayuki Watanabe, Masaki Imamari, Ryo Ito, Akira Uchida, Masayuki Sai, Kiyohiko Takezaki

Art Direction: Kimio Taguma (Freiheit)

Design: Yumiko Ohira (Ohira Design), Takeshi Ko (T.K.), Seki Saito (Earth Press), Shigeyuki Shinshima, Tsukasa Haritani (Arancia), Masayo Yago, Komamiko Fukushi (Freiheit), Chisato Nakamiya (Freiheit)

Jump Comics
NARUTO


[Hiden: TÅ no Sho]

Character Official Data Book

First Edition Published: April 9, 2005


Author: Masashi Kishimoto

© Masashi Kishimoto 2005

Publisher: Kazuhiko Torishima

Publishing Office: Shueisha Inc.

2-5-10 Hitotsubashi, Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo

Postal Code: 101-8050

Phone Numbers:

Tokyo Office

03 (3230) 6233 (Editing)


03 (3230) 6191 (Sales)


03 (3230) 6076 (Production)

Printed in Japan



Translation
:

Jump Comics

NARUTO

[Hiden: Retsu no Sho]

Official Movie Guide Book

Publication Date: December 4, 2014

Author: Masashi Kishimoto

© Masashi Kishimoto 2014

Printed in Japan

Production: Cosmo Graphic Co., Ltd.

Printing Office: Kyodo Printing Co., Ltd.

Notice Regarding Printing Errors:

We take the utmost care in producing this book, but in the event of printing defects or missing pages (e.g., incorrect page order or missing content), we will replace the book. Please specify which movie theater you attended and send the book to Toho’s Distribution Department. Toho will cover the shipping costs for the replacement.

Unauthorized reproduction or copying of this book, in whole or in part, is prohibited except as allowed by law. Additionally, digitalization of this book by any individual or entity other than the reader is strictly forbidden under all circumstances.

Special Notes:

This book is a special gift for attendees of The Last: Naruto the Movie. It is not available for sale.
We cannot respond to inquiries regarding purchase methods, how to obtain this book or its content. Please understand this in advance. Furthermore, reselling this booklet is strictly prohibited under all circumstances.

Contact Information:
Toho Co., Ltd.
Phone (Tokyo): 03-3591-1290 (Publicity Department)
Hours: 11:00 AM 5:00 PM (excluding weekends and holidays)
Address: 1-2-2 Yurakucho, Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo, 100-8415

Editing Assistance: Caramel Mama, Isao Hagiwara, Yasuhiro Sasamori, Takayuki Watanabe, Shintaro Kataoka, Narumi Omuro, Yuichi Oba, Kazunori Yano, Teppei Odagiri

Art Direction: Keita Yano

Design:
Banana Grove Studio, Mayumi Matsukura, Keiko Kushida, Madoka Nomura, BGS Production Team

© Masashi Kishimoto, Scott / Shueisha, TV Tokyo, Pierrot
© Naruto The Movie Production Committee 2014
 
This shit gonna live rent free in peoples head aint it lol.
Wait until it affects you too. People rarely speak up until the bomb lands in their backyard. Stories of the bomb being far away are easy to ignore until your verse becomes the target. Hopefully, when The Damager comes your way and these flawed arguments are used against your favourite verse, you'll finally understand the issue.
 
Wait until it affects you too. People rarely speak up until the bomb lands in their backyard. Stories of the bomb being far away are easy to ignore until your verse becomes the target. Hopefully, when The Damager comes your way and these flawed arguments are used against your favourite verse, you'll finally understand the issue.
A little advice, touch grass if you think this is such a big deal. Also, doesn't stop you from using whatever metas off site.
 
@Shadowbokunohero

Masashi Kishimoto (The Writer), Caramel Mama (production company), Shueisha (Publishing company)

“Caramel Mama is a Japanese production company that specializes in editing and producing supplementary materials for major anime and manga franchises”. It is important to note that they are a production company, meaning their primary role is assisting mangakas with the production and editing of materials like databooks. Nowhere in the scans you gave me does it ever state that Caramel Mama or its staff are writers because they are not.

Their role is to provide editing assistance, which involves mainly non-creative tasks such as: Correcting grammar, typos, and inconsistencies,

Organizing content for clarity and readability.

Providing feedback on pacing, structure, or flow.

At no point do they generate the ideas, content, or concepts themselves. All the information, ideas, and creative content in the databooks were written and created by Masashi Kishimoto, the original author. Caramel Mama’s role was simply to produce and refine the content that Kishimoto had already developed. Their contributions are essential but strictly supportive, ensuring the final product meets professional standards without altering or adding to the original ideas.

Masashi Kishimoto is credited as the only Author of the databook. Meaning he was the sole creator and originator of the contents in the Databooks. By the way, every Popular mangaka has a production team even for Manga, a team that helps to cross-check their original content, because guess what, it is impossible for the author to do all of these things by himself.

Let's take a look at the scans you provided



Translation:

Editing Assistance: Caramel Mama, Hideyuki Suzuki, Toshitaka Ishida, Takayuki Watanabe, Masaki Imamari, Ryo Ito, Akira Uchida, Masayuki Sai, Kiyohiko Takezaki

Art Direction: Kimio Taguma (Freiheit)

Design: Yumiko Ohira (Ohira Design), Takeshi Ko (T.K.), Seki Saito (Earth Press), Shigeyuki Shinshima, Tsukasa Haritani (Arancia), Masayo Yago, Komamiko Fukushi (Freiheit), Chisato Nakamiya (Freiheit)

Jump Comics
NARUTO


[Hiden: TÅ no Sho]

Character Official Data Book

First Edition Published: April 9, 2005


Author: Masashi Kishimoto

© Masashi Kishimoto 2005

Publisher: Kazuhiko Torishima

Publishing Office: Shueisha Inc.

2-5-10 Hitotsubashi, Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo

Postal Code: 101-8050

Phone Numbers:

Tokyo Office

03 (3230) 6233 (Editing)


03 (3230) 6191 (Sales)


03 (3230) 6076 (Production)

Printed in Japan



Translation
:

Jump Comics

NARUTO

[Hiden: Retsu no Sho]

Official Movie Guide Book

Publication Date: December 4, 2014

Author: Masashi Kishimoto

© Masashi Kishimoto 2014

Printed in Japan

Production: Cosmo Graphic Co., Ltd.

Printing Office: Kyodo Printing Co., Ltd.

Notice Regarding Printing Errors:

We take the utmost care in producing this book, but in the event of printing defects or missing pages (e.g., incorrect page order or missing content), we will replace the book. Please specify which movie theater you attended and send the book to Toho’s Distribution Department. Toho will cover the shipping costs for the replacement.

Unauthorized reproduction or copying of this book, in whole or in part, is prohibited except as allowed by law. Additionally, digitalization of this book by any individual or entity other than the reader is strictly forbidden under all circumstances.

Special Notes:

This book is a special gift for attendees of The Last: Naruto the Movie. It is not available for sale.
We cannot respond to inquiries regarding purchase methods, how to obtain this book or its content. Please understand this in advance. Furthermore, reselling this booklet is strictly prohibited under all circumstances.

Contact Information:
Toho Co., Ltd.
Phone (Tokyo): 03-3591-1290 (Publicity Department)
Hours: 11:00 AM 5:00 PM (excluding weekends and holidays)
Address: 1-2-2 Yurakucho, Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo, 100-8415

Editing Assistance: Caramel Mama, Isao Hagiwara, Yasuhiro Sasamori, Takayuki Watanabe, Shintaro Kataoka, Narumi Omuro, Yuichi Oba, Kazunori Yano, Teppei Odagiri

Art Direction: Keita Yano

Design:
Banana Grove Studio, Mayumi Matsukura, Keiko Kushida, Madoka Nomura, BGS Production Team

© Masashi Kishimoto, Scott / Shueisha, TV Tokyo, Pierrot
© Naruto The Movie Production Committee 2014

If the translations are correct it seems legit
 
What small changes would you guys make to some of the character's powers and abilities in the series if you could rewrite tiny details in hindsight?

I'd have made the 2nd Mizukage have Boil Release Kekkei Genkai. He already has Water Release and Fire Release necessary for it, and it suits his infinitely exploding Steam Imp ninjutsu.

Likewise Gaara should have full Magnet Release (he does get that confirmed in a novel, but he might as well have it fully in the manga after he defeats his father).
By the way, hopping back to this, I'd make the Chakra style shadow clones still transfer some chakra/knowledge back to the user.
 
By the way, hopping back to this, I'd make the Chakra style shadow clones still transfer some chakra/knowledge back to the user.
Unless there's some contradiction somewhere, it should already be capable of doing this. I'm not certain, but I seem to remember itachi using his crow clone to do something similar in the build-up to his fight against Sasuke
Can someone help me figure out where the hell the crt for this is located in

I've been digging so deep trying to find it idk how I ended up in the deep pits of a bleach crt where Matthew Schroeder and Arc were facing off
 
 
okayyy there's issues with that crt, reio35 brought up timeframe issue and people just clowned him instead of tackling that point, he could just be destroying with multiple blows of the weapon just like the juubi used multiple TBBs to ruin the landscape
 
Honestly, I feel the Sword of Nunoboku is pure nonsense at this point.
  1. Hagoromo didn’t “create” the world with it. Earth/Humanity Existed long before he was even thought of.
  2. Chakra existed within Humanity before Kaguya/Isshiki came (It was the reason they came).
  3. He was comfortably stronger than Naruto & Sasuke sans his wavering will. Destroying the world just to kill them was antithetical to his entire life’s plan, nor has he ever been presented as unhinged like that.
Quite frankly, I believe it to be a stupid assertion. How can it destroy something it was never used to create in the first place? Kishimoto contradicted the sword there. And the idea that Obito destroy the world in that moment is pure boof. Nothing supports or justifies the Sword of Nunoboku being able to do that.

Juubito already scales over comfortably over Madara / Hashirama (Idk if my CRT about the scaling was ever applied but we had the debate forsure and it passed).
 
Well Arc did counter this in his little blog about recreating the lands that were destroyed and reshaped, I think that makes more sense, we cant just say "oh kishimoto lied"
 
Well Arc did counter this in his little blog about recreating the lands that were destroyed and reshaped, I think that makes more sense, we cant just say "oh kishimoto lied"
Stating he contradicts himself isn’t the same as saying he’s lying. And I’ve seen that argument too. I personally believe it’s headcanon. How can we say he used it to “recreate the lands” that were destroyed when we don’t even know the scale of the fight? Ntm based on Kaguya’s own views of the earth (Her nursery), it can be argued with even greater certainty that she likely held back due to not wanting to drastically damage the earth.

So there is no justifiable way to even scale the scale of the fight, and even if we compared it to “everything” that happened to Ninja Continent:
  1. Various TBB’s from Biju - Juubi
  2. TPC
  3. Madara’s CT + Resulting Debris
You still don’t even get to a point where continent/individual countries are seriously impacted. One small country was wiped off the map… 🤷‍♂️

So how can one seriously argue on the side of “recreating the damage lands” and that not be headcanon?
 
Ntm based on Kaguya’s own views of the earth (Her nursery), it can be argued with even greater certainty that she likely held back due to not wanting to drastically damage the earth.
Pretty sure she was mindless at the time, and the battle literally lasted for months so that would def drastically affect the lands
 
Stating he contradicts himself isn’t the same as saying he’s lying. And I’ve seen that argument too. I personally believe it’s headcanon. How can we say he used it to “recreate the lands” that were destroyed when we don’t even know the scale of the fight? Ntm based on Kaguya’s own views of the earth (Her nursery), it can be argued with even greater certainty that she likely held back due to not wanting to drastically damage the earth.

So there is no justifiable way to even scale the scale of the fight, and even if we compared it to “everything” that happened to Ninja Continent:
  1. Various TBB’s from Biju - Juubi
  2. TPC
  3. Madara’s CT + Resulting Debris
You still don’t even get to a point where continent/individual countries are seriously impacted. One small country was wiped off the map… 🤷‍♂️

So how can one seriously argue on the side of “recreating the damage lands” and that not be headcanon?
The narrative we follow right now is that they fought the Juubi, not Kaguya's real form.
 
Pretty sure she was mindless at the time, and the battle literally lasted for months so that would def drastically affect the lands
iirc, the battle didn’t last for months, that was anime only, and Kaguya wasn’t mindless either. She was very much cognizant of what was going on and control her actions, having been able to create BZ before being sealed away, remembering her fight in detail, etc.

Kaguya wasn’t mindless Juubito and again, being able to create BZ in the midst of the battle is proof of Autonomy over her actions in that form.
 
iirc, the battle didn’t last for months, that was anime only, and Kaguya wasn’t mindless either. She was very much cognizant of what was going on and control her actions, having been able to create BZ before being sealed away, remembering her fight in detail, etc.

Kaguya wasn’t mindless Juubito and again, being able to create BZ in the midst of the battle is proof of Autonomy over her actions in that form.
Black Zetsu was created after the ten tails were sealed. The only things Juubi can use are mostly Biju bombs and destructive attacks. Hagoromo mentioned that the ten tails was on a rampage that does not sound intelligent to me at all. As you mentioned Kaguya would not want to destroy the earth, meaning if she was in control she would have done the exact same thing she did against Team 7 switching the battlefields to one of her dimensions .
 
I just double checked Chapter 681 and I am correct. BZ states it was Kaguya’s will that controlled Juubi and he directly attributes his birth to her directly, not Juubi in general.

This proves:
  1. She was definitely in control.
  2. Had autonomy over her actions while in this state.
Further support is the fact that Kaguya chooses to prioritize the “the nursery” over absorbing individuals chakra, as shown against Naruto & Sasuke. That has to be taken into consideration.
 
Black Zetsu was created after the ten tails were sealed.
It literally says before the seal took effect.
The only things Juubi can use are mostly Biju bombs and destructive attacks.
Arsenal issue, not a control issue.
Hagoromo mentioned that the ten tails was on a rampage that does not sound intelligent to me at all.
BZ is more informed than Hagoromo. Perhaps I can concede she was not “100%” fully in control, but it is her own will that dictates the juubi’s actions and BZ creation is proof of some level of autonomy over the actions by her directly. That’s inarguable.
As you mentioned Kaguya would not want to destroy the earth, meaning if she was in control she would have done the exact same thing she did against Team 7 switching the battlefields to one of her dimensions .
Depends. S/T is a core arsenal of Otsutsuki. Can’t speak to what Hags & Ham had, arsenal wise, at the time, but again, it’s either she didn’t have access to S/T Ninjutsu or didn’t have 100% control, but you still have to concede her will prioritizes “the nursery” over Chakra absorption so it could still be argued she likely would’ve had the ten-tails holding back.

We still have no way to ascertain the scale of the fight to justify an argument of, “Sword of Nunoboku” recreated the lands to support the destroying argument.
 
what do you think erasing the world means then
I honestly can’t say. Obito prefaced the entire statement with, “Hagoromo created this world with this blade”, etc.

Clearly that is not the case. Therefore, the second half is unusable in my eyes because he’s attempting to destroy what Hagoromo created.

The “only” world Hagoromo is credited 100% with Creating is idea of a Ninshu based Society, which is an ideology over chakra usage, which Naruto represented implied by Madara (Ref. Chapter 665).

Otherwise, I couldn’t tell you, nor would know how Nunoboku fits into that… 🤷‍♂️
 
The “only” world Hagoromo is credited 100% with Creating is idea of a Ninshu based Society, which is an ideology over chakra usage, which Naruto represented implied by Madara (Ref. Chapter 665).
IMO, the blade being DNA-shaped is meant to connect to this as he could've altered people to allow them to make use of their chakra. People always had innate physical + mental energies, but only Hagoromo and Hamura initially were born with the ability to knead chakra until Hagromomo spread the power out to more people.

But unfortunately we never actually see him use it in the series at any point so it's unconfirmed.
 
how Nunoboku fits into that
Nunoboku would erase Naruto and Sasuke (the representatives of this current world and the main hurdle in his path at the time) > Obito would then enact his Eye of the Moon plan by activating the Infinite Tsukuyomi > This would, in essence, "erase" the current world that the SO6P ushered in. The world as they knew it would cease to exist, which is verbiage that Obito used even before becoming the Juubi's Jinchuriki and when he was explicitly talking about IT.

I think that's a valid alternative way to look at it.
 
I don't think it arguments saying it cant be 5B 6A 6B etc are wrong but I think it could be higher, if Hagoromo truly crafted a physical weapon that would neccessitate it has some level of qualitative superiority over his own physical stats, if it did not there would be no point in constructing a weapon and obito would not believe it has the power to wipe things out
 
What small changes would you guys make to some of the character's powers and abilities in the series if you could rewrite tiny details in hindsight?

I'd have made the 2nd Mizukage have Boil Release Kekkei Genkai. He already has Water Release and Fire Release necessary for it, and it suits his infinitely exploding Steam Imp ninjutsu.

Likewise Gaara should have full Magnet Release (he does get that confirmed in a novel, but he might as well have it fully in the manga after he defeats his father).
I swear I had many thoughts about it but currently drawing blank.

I guess it would be for Demon Fox Cloak Naruto to actually use rasengans more instead of fighting like a wild animal, and for Naruto to use Nine Tails rasengans more (also whenever he uses Kurama Enhanced Rasengans in any mode they're purple like naime vermilion Rasengan or red like the one from the stone of gelel or the Tornado Rasengan...in fact have him use those rasengans)

Also the Giant Rasengan is used more and is portrayed as being really strong like the videogames make it out to be.

Also Kurama got his fire abilities from anime filler.
 
I honestly can’t say. Obito prefaced the entire statement with, “Hagoromo created this world with this blade”, etc.

Clearly that is not the case. Therefore, the second half is unusable in my eyes because he’s attempting to destroy what Hagoromo created.

The “only” world Hagoromo is credited 100% with Creating is idea of a Ninshu based Society, which is an ideology over chakra usage, which Naruto represented implied by Madara (Ref. Chapter 665).

Otherwise, I couldn’t tell you, nor would know how Nunoboku fits into that… 🤷‍♂️
I also wanted to make an argument about it but my main argument were the fact that they couldn't be any human left on hearth if the surface was actually wiped and also the fact that even if it really recreated thesurface, we still don't have any time frame, plus, it's a creation feat and not a destruction feat,
 
I don't think it arguments saying it cant be 5B 6A 6B etc are wrong but I think it could be higher, if Hagoromo truly crafted a physical weapon that would neccessitate it has some level of qualitative superiority over his own physical stats, if it did not there would be no point in constructing a weapon and obito would not believe it has the power to wipe things out
But that’s now a scaling argument, which imo is better.
 
iirc, the battle didn’t last for months, that was anime only,
Damn, well that arc is arguably canon but it does have numerous contradictions so fair enough
and Kaguya wasn’t mindless either. She was very much cognizant of what was going on and control her actions, having been able to create BZ before being sealed away, remembering her fight in detail, etc.

Kaguya wasn’t mindless Juubito and again, being able to create BZ in the midst of the battle is proof of Autonomy over her actions in that form.
Even if she wasn't actually mindless, she seemed like just the regular Ten Tails to Hagoromo and Hamura so she probably fought like him, shooting Bijuudamas everywhere (which is consistent with the lore Kurama gave him initially).
 
Now that I think about it, this seems like it could yield some pretty good calcs
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Maybe not relevant ones since the Complete Juubi was tier 5 anyways, but from an eyeball some of those explosions seems like they could be 6-A to High 6-A
 
Now that I think about it, this seems like it could yield some pretty good calcs
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They were calced in the past. They yield nothing crazy from what I remember, especially considering where Prime Juubi/Kaguya actually scale. Still, I'd love to see an official calc for them on the verse page at some point.
 
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