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Honestly, I feel the Sword of Nunoboku is pure nonsense at this point.
  1. Hagoromo didn’t “create” the world with it. Earth/Humanity Existed long before he was even thought of.
  2. Chakra existed within Humanity before Kaguya/Isshiki came (It was the reason they came).
  3. He was comfortably stronger than Naruto & Sasuke sans his wavering will. Destroying the world just to kill them was antithetical to his entire life’s plan, nor has he ever been presented as unhinged like that.
Quite frankly, I believe it to be a stupid assertion. How can it destroy something it was never used to create in the first place? Kishimoto contradicted the sword there. And the idea that Obito destroy the world in that moment is pure boof. Nothing supports or justifies the Sword of Nunoboku being able to do that.

Juubito already scales over comfortably over Madara / Hashirama (Idk if my CRT about the scaling was ever applied but we had the debate forsure and it passed).

I don't feel arguing over 3 right now

But for 1 and 2...we already kind of came to the conclusion that by "creating the lands" with his sword it was moreso in reference to remaking the lands/planet's surface after the battle he and Hamura had with the Juubi

Hence "creating the shinobi world"
 
Cool statement https://naruto-official.com/news/01_1743?nolangsuggestion=1
最強の尾獣・十尾に忍連合軍が総力を結集して立ち向かっていた時のことでした。
It was when the Ninja Alliance had concentrated all their strength to confront the strongest Tailed Beast, the Ten Tails.

Pretty solid statement for WA Juubi>Kurama
You know, there's actually a statement in there calling 2-eyed Juubidara the strongest, I bet you could use that to argue him above Saiken.
 
me when i write walls of text and i lose everything cause of a refresh

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what I do in these situations is refresh again, parts of it get loaded back sometimes (draft feature is so asss here)
:( didnt work but i know what you mean, ive closed tabs before by accident and it still saved it.

so idk what the requirement is to keep the cache
 
For fun; which characters (not counting through the use of Izanagi or Edo Tensei) in just Shippuden would be able to survive Konan's 600 Billion Paper Bombs trap, assuming they were put into the same situation that Obito was?
 
For fun; which characters (not counting through the use of Izanagi or Edo Tensei) in just Shippuden would be able to survive Konan's 600 Billion Paper Bombs trap, assuming they were put into the same situation that Obito was?
I would say any character that can go around the whole earth 7 times in less than a second.
 
For fun; which characters (not counting through the use of Izanagi or Edo Tensei) in just Shippuden would be able to survive Konan's 600 Billion Paper Bombs trap, assuming they were put into the same situation that Obito was?
  • Minato: Teleports away with Flying Raijin.
  • Tobirama: Pretty much the same as Minato, but with the caveat that he has sealing formulas placed outside of the explosives' range.
  • Madara: Uses the Susano'o to protect himself.
  • Hashirama: Erects a Mokuton barrier. (if it can save him from a 100% Kurama Bijūdama, it can save him from this imo)
  • Kurama Mode Naruto: At worst, I think his Kurama Avatar should save him.
  • EMS Sasuke: Again, should be able to do the same thing as KLM Naruto, at least when he reaches his peak during the Juubito fight.
  • Onoki-Amped 4th Raikage: Ay's enhanced speed alongside the ability to fly granted by Onoki should allow him to escape the explosives' range imo.
People who I'm not 100% sure about, but might conditionally be able to if we're generous:-
  • Pain/Nagato: Maybe he can absorb the explosions, but I'm not a 100% sure on that one. A super powerful Shinra Tensei would push the papers away, but Konan would pounce on him during the cool down, so it wouldn't save him.
  • Itachi: If a healthy Itachi can keep the Yata Mirror up for 10 minutes, then he survives, but otherwise he's cooked.
  • Prime Orochimaru: If we assume he can continuously use the Orochimaru-Style Substitution Jutsu for 10 minutes straight, which is a bit of a stretch, but yeah.

Those are the ones I thought of off the top of my head. Obviously didn't include any Six Paths tier characters because that's boring lol.
 
To actually tank it all, everyone from the Juubi upwards
Minato/Tobirama can teleport away. Jiraiya can reverse summon. Gamabunta can jump stupidly high. Pain clears with Shinra Tensei. Everyone else has like a 2% survival rate. 600 billion is a stupidly large amount. They can probably tank the first hundred bombs or so. Their stamina starts to deplete rapidly from there
I had a friend who bought Konan>KCM Minato
You have a lot of weird friends, dude
Didn't one say Hiruzen > Hagoromo recently?
 
Jiraiya can reverse summon.
I don't know that Jiraiya can summon a creature, get into its mouth, and Reverse Summon before Konan obliterates them, especially when even Obito's super fast teleportation wasn't good enough in that particular situation. And keep in mind, it really doesn't take a whole lot to do mortal damage to people on that level.
Gamabunta can jump stupidly high.
Damage said they'd be in the same position as Obito, meaning he has no footing to jump off of. But even if he could, he'll fall back down and get destroyed.
Pain clears with Shinra Tensei.
Yeah, but then he gets destroyed during the cooldown.
 
People argue against this?
Some people like the wiki stats
Sparkle is thorough that way
He wrote an entire dissertation about Minato's speed with the conclusion that he's the fastest non six path tier character. A sentiment 99% of the fandom agree with anyways
1. I said one of, not the fastest 🤓
2. You'd be surprised, especially without FTG taken into account
For fun; which characters (not counting through the use of Izanagi or Edo Tensei) in just Shippuden would be able to survive Konan's 600 Billion Paper Bombs trap, assuming they were put into the same situation that Obito was?
I'm gonna assume you mean who could withstand with their body/ninjutsu, not escape:
  • All the Six Paths characters
  • Kaguya fight Sakura
  • 8th Gate Guy
  • Ten Tails
  • Hashirama
  • Madara
  • BSM Naruto
  • EMS Sasuke
  • KCM Minato
  • Maybe Kurama
  • Maybe KCM2 Naruto
  • Maybe EoS Gaara
  • Maybe Itachi
 
I don't know that Jiraiya can summon a creature, get into its mouth, and Reverse Summon before Konan obliterates them, especially when even Obito's super fast teleportation wasn't good enough in that particular situation. And keep in mind, it really doesn't take a whole lot to do mortal damage to people on that level.

Damage said they'd be in the same position as Obito, meaning he has no footing to jump off of. But even if he could, he'll fall back down and get destroyed.

Yeah, but then he gets destroyed during the cooldown.
Fairs
Just remembered Pain can fly. So he can probably get out of the range
 
I would say any character that can go around the whole earth 7 times in less than a second.
So none of them, gotcha.

  • Minato: Teleports away with Flying Raijin.
  • Tobirama: Pretty much the same as Minato, but with the caveat that he has sealing formulas placed outside of the explosives' range.
  • Madara: Uses the Susano'o to protect himself.
  • Hashirama: Erects a Mokuton barrier. (if it can save him from a 100% Kurama Bijūdama, it can save him from this imo)
  • Kurama Mode Naruto: At worst, I think his Kurama Avatar should save him.
  • EMS Sasuke: Again, should be able to do the same thing as KLM Naruto, at least when he reaches his peak during the Juubito fight.
  • Onoki-Amped 4th Raikage: Ay's enhanced speed alongside the ability to fly granted by Onoki should allow him to escape the explosives' range imo.
People who I'm not 100% sure about, but might conditionally be able to if we're generous:-
  • Pain/Nagato: Maybe he can absorb the explosions, but I'm not a 100% sure on that one. A super powerful Shinra Tensei would push the papers away, but Konan would pounce on him during the cool down, so it wouldn't save him.
  • Itachi: If a healthy Itachi can keep the Yata Mirror up for 10 minutes, then he survives, but otherwise he's cooked.
  • Prime Orochimaru: If we assume he can continuously use the Orochimaru-Style Substitution Jutsu for 10 minutes straight, which is a bit of a stretch, but yeah.

Those are the ones I thought of off the top of my head. Obviously didn't include any Six Paths tier characters because that's boring lol.
Sounds about right - though I don't think a Prime Orochimaru could do that tbh.

Kaguya fight Sakura

Heavy doubt tbh; does she have the chakra for ten minutes of nonstop regeneration to keep up with endless explosions?

EMS Sasuke

Not sure about this one either; ten minutes of sustained Susano'o usage? And the Susano'o is not invincible either. Also, does the Susano'o still cause pain for Sasuke when he has the EMS? I can't remember if that was ever clarified or not.

Then again, Sasuke could summon a hawk to help him.
 
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though I don't think a Prime Orochimaru could do that tbh.
Probably not, but I was being super generous to him. Perhaps when he gets the Hashirama Cells-enhanced body in the War Arc, but even then, I can't really back that up lol.
 
Heavy doubt tbh; does she have the chakra for ten minutes of nonstop regeneration to keep up with endless explosions?
I'm pretty sure it's because Sparkle believes she has Six Paths level stats.
Not sure about this one either; ten minutes of sustained Susano'o usage? And the Susano'o is not invincible either.
At Sasuke's peak during the Juubito fight, it should be a breeze.
Also, does the Susano'o still cause pain for Sasuke when he has the EMS? I can't remember if that was ever clarified or not.
It's never explicitly touched on, but given that he never cites it as an issue ever again, that leads me to believe he's either built up a tolerance to the pain, or the EMS simply helps with that aspect to some degree. It might be a combination of the two as well, but the main thing is that it's just clearly no longer a concern for him.
Then again, Sasuke could summon a hawk to help him.
I honestly don't know that Garuda is fast enough to escape that situation lol, but who knows.
 
Heavy doubt tbh; does she have the chakra for ten minutes of nonstop regeneration to keep up with endless explosions?
1. Like Slayer said, I think she has Six Paths level stats
2. I wouldn't be surprised if she could considering she had more chakra than a SPSM Naruto clone which should have half of Naruto's total chakra at that point before Naruto made thousands (seeing Sakura pull a Gojo would be pretty epic ngl)
Not sure about this one either; ten minutes of sustained Susano'o usage?
Considering Sasuke never seems to have trouble sustaining Susanoo with the EMS I wouldn't be surprised
And the Susano'o is not invincible either.
Sure, but there's a HUGE difference between EMS Sasuke's Susanoo and Konan's paper bombs
Also, does the Susano'o still cause pain for Sasuke when he has the EMS? I can't remember if that was ever clarified or not.
Not stated 🤷‍♂️
Then again, Sasuke could summon a hawk to help him.
Sure (tho not really what I meant)
 
Didn't one say Hiruzen > Hagoromo recently?
I don't have any friends who say Hiruzen>Hagoromo, but there was once someone who had similar powers to Hagoromo and Juubito. I don't know if he was defending it as a troll take.

There are 5 types of Scalers in the Naruto Scale Fandom in Turkey.

1. Those who rate Minato very high (Minato>Hashirama)
2. Those who rate Minato averagely (see him at a level where he can fight Itachi etc.)
3. Those like my friend Atlas who say Minato is only the fastest in terms of travel speed and slow in terms of combat speed (Konan>He takes Minato)
4. Teen Naruto>Adult Naruto defenders (those who follow the Kakashitr page a lot)
5. Those who see Kashin Koji as Jiraiya level but believe that everyone below Kashin Koji will lose to Pain. Dude, how can we tell them that Cho Cho will defeat Akatsuki?
 
I don't have any friends who say Hiruzen>Hagoromo, but there was once someone who had similar powers to Hagoromo and Juubito. I don't know if he was defending it as a troll take.

There are 5 types of Scalers in the Naruto Scale Fandom in Turkey.

1. Those who rate Minato very high (Minato>Hashirama)
2. Those who rate Minato averagely (see him at a level where he can fight Itachi etc.)
3. Those like my friend Atlas who say Minato is only the fastest in terms of travel speed and slow in terms of combat speed (Konan>He takes Minato)
4. Teen Naruto>Adult Naruto defenders (those who follow the Kakashitr page a lot)
5. Those who see Kashin Koji as Jiraiya level but believe that everyone below Kashin Koji will lose to Pain. Dude, how can we tell them that Cho Cho will defeat Akatsuki?
Why are 3/5 types of scalers centered around Minato 😭
 
Why are 3/5 types of scalers centered around Minato 😭
There is a great deal of disdain towards Minato. Because at one time there were Instagram pages that defended the idea that Minato would defeat anyone below the Six Paths level. A page that produced Turkish Naruto content also made a video about Hashirama>Minato. People lynched the guy a lot. Then he published a new video called Hashirama crushes Minato.

Look at the coincidence. This morning, a community post was shared that said, "Is there anyone who still thinks Minato will defeat Hashirama?" Memories came to mind...
 
There is a great deal of disdain towards Minato. Because at one time there were Instagram pages that defended the idea that Minato would defeat anyone below the Six Paths level. A page that produced Turkish Naruto content also made a video about Hashirama>Minato. People lynched the guy a lot. Then he published a new video called Hashirama crushes Minato.

Look at the coincidence. This morning, a community post was shared that said, "Is there anyone who still thinks Minato will defeat Hashirama?" Memories came to mind...
Good ol' fighting fire with fire
 
Thoughts on whether this implies Susanoo>Kirin holistically, including speed?
異質な、そして異常な術だった。サスケは、驚愕してただその巨人の威容を見ていることしかできなかった。〈麒麟〉も並はずれた術ではあったが、この(須佐能乎〉 の前には、凡庸な技にしか感じられない。
It was an abnormal—no, an utterly extraordinary—technique. All Sasuke could do was stare in shock at the imposing presence of the giant. “Kirin” was an exceptional technique, but before this Susano'o, it felt like nothing more than an ordinary jutsu.
 
Thoughts on whether this implies Susanoo>Kirin holistically, including speed?
異質な、そして異常な術だった。サスケは、驚愕してただその巨人の威容を見ていることしかできなかった。〈麒麟〉も並はずれた術ではあったが、この(須佐能乎〉 の前には、凡庸な技にしか感じられない。
It was an abnormal—no, an utterly extraordinary—technique. All Sasuke could do was stare in shock at the imposing presence of the giant. “Kirin” was an exceptional technique, but before this Susano'o, it felt like nothing more than an ordinary jutsu.
I'm really not seeing it.
 
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