Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[Testarossa002]

To actually tank it all, everyone from the Juubi upwards
Minato/Tobirama can teleport away. Jiraiya can reverse summon. Gamabunta can jump stupidly high. Pain clears with Shinra Tensei. Everyone else has like a 2% survival rate. 600 billion is a stupidly large amount. They can probably tank the first hundred bombs or so. Their stamina starts to deplete rapidly from there

I had a friend who bought Konan>KCM Minato

You have a lot of weird friends, dude
Didn't one say Hiruzen > Hagoromo recently?

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Jiraiya can reverse summon.

I don't know that Jiraiya can summon a creature, get into its mouth, and Reverse Summon before Konan obliterates them, especially when even Obito's super fast teleportation wasn't good enough in that particular situation. And keep in mind, it really doesn't take a whole lot to do mortal damage to people on that level.

Gamabunta can jump stupidly high.

Damage said they'd be in the same position as Obito, meaning he has no footing to jump off of. But even if he could, he'll fall back down and get destroyed.

Pain clears with Shinra Tensei.

Yeah, but then he gets destroyed during the cooldown.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

People argue against this?

Some people like the wiki stats

Sparkle is thorough that way
He wrote an entire dissertation about Minato's speed with the conclusion that he's the fastest non six path tier character. A sentiment 99% of the fandom agree with anyways

1. I said one of, not the fastest
2. You'd be surprised, especially without FTG taken into account

For fun; which characters (not counting through the use of Izanagi or Edo Tensei) in just Shippuden would be able to survive Konan's 600 Billion Paper Bombs trap, assuming they were put into the same situation that Obito was?

I'm gonna assume you mean who could withstand with their body/ninjutsu, not escape:

• All the Six Paths characters
• Kaguya fight Sakura
• 8th Gate Guy
• Ten Tails
• Hashirama
• Madara
• BSM Naruto
• EMS Sasuke
• KCM Minato
• Maybe Kurama
• Maybe KCM2 Naruto
• Maybe EoS Gaara
• Maybe Itachi

 

[Testarossa002]

I don't know that Jiraiya can summon a creature, get into its mouth, and Reverse Summon before Konan obliterates them, especially when even Obito's super fast teleportation wasn't good enough in that particular situation. And keep in mind, it really doesn't take a whole lot to do mortal damage to people on that level.

Damage said they'd be in the same position as Obito, meaning he has no footing to jump off of. But even if he could, he'll fall back down and get destroyed.

Yeah, but then he gets destroyed during the cooldown.

Fairs
Just remembered Pain can fly. So he can probably get out of the range

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Just remembered Pain can fly

I mean, so can Konan tbf.

 

[Damage3245]

I would say any character that can go around the whole earth 7 times in less than a second.

So none of them, gotcha.

• Minato: Teleports away with Flying Raijin.
• Tobirama: Pretty much the same as Minato, but with the caveat that he has sealing formulas placed outside of the explosives' range.
• Madara: Uses the Susano'o to protect himself.
• Hashirama: Erects a Mokuton barrier. (if it can save him from a 100% Kurama Bijūdama, it can save him from this imo)
• Kurama Mode Naruto: At worst, I think his Kurama Avatar should save him.
• EMS Sasuke: Again, should be able to do the same thing as KLM Naruto, at least when he reaches his peak during the Juubito fight.
• Onoki-Amped 4th Raikage: Ay's enhanced speed alongside the ability to fly granted by Onoki should allow him to escape the explosives' range imo.

People who I'm not 100% sure about, but might conditionally be able to if we're generous:-

• Pain/Nagato: Maybe he can absorb the explosions, but I'm not a 100% sure on that one. A super powerful Shinra Tensei would push the papers away, but Konan would pounce on him during the cool down, so it wouldn't save him.
• Itachi: If a healthy Itachi can keep the Yata Mirror up for 10 minutes, then he survives, but otherwise he's cooked.
• Prime Orochimaru: If we assume he can continuously use the Orochimaru-Style Substitution Jutsu for 10 minutes straight, which is a bit of a stretch, but yeah.

Those are the ones I thought of off the top of my head. Obviously didn't include any Six Paths tier characters because that's boring lol.

Sounds about right - though I don't think a Prime Orochimaru could do that tbh.

Kaguya fight Sakura

Heavy doubt tbh; does she have the chakra for ten minutes of nonstop regeneration to keep up with endless explosions?

EMS Sasuke

Not sure about this one either; ten minutes of sustained Susano'o usage? And the Susano'o is not invincible either. Also, does the Susano'o still cause pain for Sasuke when he has the EMS? I can't remember if that was ever clarified or not.

Then again, Sasuke could summon a hawk to help him.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

though I don't think a Prime Orochimaru could do that tbh.

Probably not, but I was being super generous to him. Perhaps when he gets the Hashirama Cells-enhanced body in the War Arc, but even then, I can't really back that up lol.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Heavy doubt tbh; does she have the chakra for ten minutes of nonstop regeneration to keep up with endless explosions?

I'm pretty sure it's because Sparkle believes she has Six Paths level stats.

Not sure about this one either; ten minutes of sustained Susano'o usage? And the Susano'o is not invincible either.

At Sasuke's peak during the Juubito fight, it should be a breeze.

Also, does the Susano'o still cause pain for Sasuke when he has the EMS? I can't remember if that was ever clarified or not.

It's never explicitly touched on, but given that he never cites it as an issue ever again, that leads me to believe he's either built up a tolerance to the pain, or the EMS simply helps with that aspect to some degree. It might be a combination of the two as well, but the main thing is that it's just clearly no longer a concern for him.

Then again, Sasuke could summon a hawk to help him.

I honestly don't know that Garuda is fast enough to escape that situation lol, but who knows.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Heavy doubt tbh; does she have the chakra for ten minutes of nonstop regeneration to keep up with endless explosions?

1. Like Slayer said, I think she has Six Paths level stats
2. I wouldn't be surprised if she could considering she had more chakra than a SPSM Naruto clone which should have half of Naruto's total chakra at that point before Naruto made thousands (seeing Sakura pull a Gojo would be pretty epic ngl)

Not sure about this one either; ten minutes of sustained Susano'o usage?

Considering Sasuke never seems to have trouble sustaining Susanoo with the EMS I wouldn't be surprised

And the Susano'o is not invincible either.

Sure, but there's a HUGE difference between EMS Sasuke's Susanoo and Konan's paper bombs

Also, does the Susano'o still cause pain for Sasuke when he has the EMS? I can't remember if that was ever clarified or not.

Not stated

Then again, Sasuke could summon a hawk to help him.

Sure (tho not really what I meant)

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Sasuke could summon a hawk to help him.

he can summon a hawk too? ah.

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

Didn't one say Hiruzen > Hagoromo recently?

I don't have any friends who say Hiruzen>Hagoromo, but there was once someone who had similar powers to Hagoromo and Juubito. I don't know if he was defending it as a troll take.

There are 5 types of Scalers in the Naruto Scale Fandom in Turkey.

1. Those who rate Minato very high (Minato>Hashirama)
2. Those who rate Minato averagely (see him at a level where he can fight Itachi etc.)
3. Those like my friend Atlas who say Minato is only the fastest in terms of travel speed and slow in terms of combat speed (Konan>He takes Minato)
4. Teen Naruto>Adult Naruto defenders (those who follow the Kakashitr page a lot)
5. Those who see Kashin Koji as Jiraiya level but believe that everyone below Kashin Koji will lose to Pain. Dude, how can we tell them that Cho Cho will defeat Akatsuki?

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I don't have any friends who say Hiruzen>Hagoromo, but there was once someone who had similar powers to Hagoromo and Juubito. I don't know if he was defending it as a troll take.

There are 5 types of Scalers in the Naruto Scale Fandom in Turkey.

1. Those who rate Minato very high (Minato>Hashirama)
2. Those who rate Minato averagely (see him at a level where he can fight Itachi etc.)
3. Those like my friend Atlas who say Minato is only the fastest in terms of travel speed and slow in terms of combat speed (Konan>He takes Minato)
4. Teen Naruto>Adult Naruto defenders (those who follow the Kakashitr page a lot)
5. Those who see Kashin Koji as Jiraiya level but believe that everyone below Kashin Koji will lose to Pain. Dude, how can we tell them that Cho Cho will defeat Akatsuki?

Why are 3/5 types of scalers centered around Minato

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

Why are 3/5 types of scalers centered around Minato

There is a great deal of disdain towards Minato. Because at one time there were Instagram pages that defended the idea that Minato would defeat anyone below the Six Paths level. A page that produced Turkish Naruto content also made a video about Hashirama>Minato. People lynched the guy a lot. Then he published a new video called Hashirama crushes Minato.

Look at the coincidence. This morning, a community post was shared that said, "Is there anyone who still thinks Minato will defeat Hashirama?" Memories came to mind...

 

[MinatoSparkle]

There is a great deal of disdain towards Minato. Because at one time there were Instagram pages that defended the idea that Minato would defeat anyone below the Six Paths level. A page that produced Turkish Naruto content also made a video about Hashirama>Minato. People lynched the guy a lot. Then he published a new video called Hashirama crushes Minato.

Look at the coincidence. This morning, a community post was shared that said, "Is there anyone who still thinks Minato will defeat Hashirama?" Memories came to mind...

Good ol' fighting fire with fire

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Thoughts on whether this implies Susanoo>Kirin holistically, including speed?
異質な、そして異常な術だった。サスケは、驚愕してただその巨人の威容を見ていることしかできなかった。〈麒麟〉も並はずれた術ではあったが、この(須佐能乎〉 の前には、凡庸な技にしか感じられない。
It was an abnormal—no, an utterly extraordinary—technique. All Sasuke could do was stare in shock at the imposing presence of the giant. “Kirin” was an exceptional technique, but before this Susano'o, it felt like nothing more than an ordinary jutsu.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

it necessitates that susano can counter kirin easily, that should include the speed (another light speed itachi meta lets goo)

also source?

 

[MinatoSparkle]

it necessitates that susano can counter kirin easily, that should include the speed (another light speed itachi meta lets goo)

Blocking it does do that

also source?

2nd Fanbook, pg. 165

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Thoughts on whether this implies Susanoo>Kirin holistically, including speed?
異質な、そして異常な術だった。サスケは、驚愕してただその巨人の威容を見ていることしかできなかった。〈麒麟〉も並はずれた術ではあったが、この(須佐能乎〉 の前には、凡庸な技にしか感じられない。
It was an abnormal—no, an utterly extraordinary—technique. All Sasuke could do was stare in shock at the imposing presence of the giant. “Kirin” was an exceptional technique, but before this Susano'o, it felt like nothing more than an ordinary jutsu.

I'm really not seeing it.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Blocking it does do that

2nd Fanbook, pg. 165

soooo reaction speed

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I'm really not seeing it.

Basically that Kirin is mediocre in comparison to Susanoo despite its exceptional speed which is one of its main attributes

soooo reaction speed

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

if someone were to regenerate from being killed by omnipotence it might qualify them for high low godly regen

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Basically that Kirin is mediocre in comparison to Susanoo despite its exceptional speed which is one of its main attributes

Yes, which would still hold true if the statement was only speaking to the Susano'o's power and durability. And personally, I'd be leaning more towards that interpretation since the statement is positioned as being from Sasuke's perspective, who at that point had no real way of gauging the Susano'o's speed, only its durability (via a feat he actually witnessed of Itachi surviving Kirin using the Susano'o) and its power (which he can likely surmise from the feel of the chakra or using his Sharingan).
But that's just me , if you feel otherwise that's cool.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Yes, which would still hold true if the statement was only speaking to the Susano'o's power and durability.

Well in a direct clash yes, but there are a lot of situations where Kirin would be better against other opponents if it was much faster

And personally, I'd be leaning more towards that interpretation since the statement is positioned as being from Sasuke's perspective, who at that point had no real way of gauging the Susano'o's speed, only its durability (via a feat he actually witnessed of Itachi surviving Kirin using the Susano'o) and its power (which he can likely surmise from the feel of the chakra or using his Sharingan).

I mean the Susanoo did get obliterated and barely allowed Itachi to survive so idt that feat would make Sasuke think that lol, but for the second fair enough (Sasuke didn't have the Sharingan active, but he probably could've felt the chakra anyways)

I think the statement could be switching from Sasuke's perspective to the narrator but it's vague.

But that's just me , if you feel otherwise that's cool.

I'm kind of on the fence atm

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Well in a direct clash yes, but there are a lot of situations where Kirin would be better against other opponents if it was much faster

Why does that matter when the comparison is only about Susano'o in relation to Kirin? Obviously different techniques can be better in different situations depending on the opponent or the specific functionality that the user requires. For example, Chidori is more powerful than the Chidori spear, but that extra range came in handy for Sasuke on numerous occasions. It just depends on the context.

I mean the Susanoo did get obliterated and barely allowed Itachi to survive so idt that feat would make Sasuke think that lol,

I mean, if the ribcage alone can allow Itachi to survive with very minimal injuries, then I'd say it'd be a pretty fair assumption to think that the fully armored thing would be at that level, especially given that the statement is about the fully manifested Susano'o, no?

but for the second fair enough (Sasuke didn't have the Sharingan active, but he probably could've felt the chakra anyways)

Yeah, you're right about that. I forgot he didn't have the Sharingan active after Kirin.

I think the statement could be switching from Sasuke's perspective to the narrator but it's vague.

Ehhh. I mean, even the narrator is clearly just stating Sasuke's thoughts here, which we were not privy to in the first place.

I'm kind of on the fence atm

Fair enough.

 

[Damage3245]

I mean, if the ribcage alone can allow Itachi to survive with very minimal injuries, then I'd say it'd be a pretty fair assumption to think that the fully armored thing would be at that level, especially given that the statement is about the fully manifested Susano'o, no?

IMO there's no reason to think that Itachi used the rib cage alone. He could've pulled out the Yata mirror which is a part of his Susano'o and is invincible.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

And have the attack reflect back on sasuke and inevitably kill him? yeah no

 

[KingogKings777]

For fun; which characters (not counting through the use of Izanagi or Edo Tensei) in just Shippuden would be able to survive Konan's 600 Billion Paper Bombs trap, assuming they were put into the same situation that Obito was?

Depends? How strong is a single paper bomb? Like room to building level?

 

[Damage3245]

And have the attack reflect back on sasuke and inevitably kill him? yeah no

The Yata Mirror doesn't automatically fling back all attacks directly at the opponent; when Sasuke threw multiple explosives at the Yata mirror, the explosives just detonated against it instead of being sent back at him.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

IMO there's no reason to think that Itachi used the rib cage alone. He could've pulled out the Yata mirror which is a part of his Susano'o and is invincible.

I disagree with him having used the Yata Mirror. If he did, it would've neutralized Kirin, and we saw that Kirin managed to damage him to some extent given his cloak being gone and the minor burns he had all over.
The Ribcage is the only Susano'o stage that we never saw wielding the mirror. Additionally, it's literally what Itachi said he used, so honestly...I feel like Occams Razor just supports my interpretation on this.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

And have the attack reflect back on sasuke and inevitably kill him? yeah no

The Yata Mirror doesn't reflect attacks, it just nullifies them in a similar fashion to the TSBs.

 

[Damage3245]

I disagree with him having used the Yata Mirror. If he did, it would've neutralized Kirin, and we saw that Kirin managed to damage him to some extent given his cloak being gone and the minor burns he had all over.
The Ribcage is the only Susano'o stage that we never saw wielding the mirror. Additionally, it's literally what Itachi said he used, so honestly...I feel like Occams Razor just supports my interpretation on this.

As to that, I think that Kirin's sheer scale / area of effect was beyond what the Yata Mirror could cover so there'd still be plenty of destruction while leaving Itachi more or less unharmed - but I'll leave it at that since we disagree.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

As to that, I think that Kirin's sheer scale / area of effect was beyond what the Yata Mirror could cover so there'd still be plenty of destruction while leaving Itachi more or less unharmed - but I'll leave it at that since we disagree.

Fair enough - But given that the Spirit Weapons have the ability to change their shape and size, and the Yata Mirror in particular did show the ability to cover the Susano'o almost in its entirety, I'm personally not very convinced by that.

 

[KingogKings777]

Fair enough - But given that the Spirit Weapons have the ability to change their shape and size, and the Yata Mirror in particular did show the ability to cover the Susano'o almost in its entirety, I'm personally not very convinced by that.

Doesn't your own scan disprove your claim since it doesn't cover it entirety and the explosion still happens and stuff so.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Doesn't your own scan disprove your claim since it doesn't cover it entirety and the explosion still happens and stuff so.

almost in its entirety

I'd highly suggest you improve your reading comprehension skills before engaging with me again.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

The Yata Mirror doesn't automatically fling back all attacks directly at the opponent; when Sasuke threw multiple explosives at the Yata mirror, the explosives just detonated against it instead of being sent back at him.

• It's called the Yata Mirror and is said to deflect all things
• Sasuke in an attempt to stab Itachi's Yata Mirror gets shot back when his blade hits the shield
• The Explosions don't get shot back at Sasuke because they were not projectiles to begin with, they are paper bombs strung onto kunais that are shot at the target and later detonate, if the explosion originates an inch away from the yata mirror it would no reason to reach Sasuke specifically and implode him all the way from there, by Kishimoto's listed definitions to not be contradicted the kunai's need to be flung back which doesn't occur due to them being destroyed by the explosion.
• By having the prior example of the blade being deflected it confirms what the statement proposed and makes it a consistent ability of the mirror

 

[Damage3245]

• It's called the Yata Mirror and is said to deflect all things
• Sasuke in an attempt to stab Itachi's Yata Mirror gets shot back when his blade hits the shield
• The Explosions don't get shot back at Sasuke because they were not projectiles to begin with, they are paper bombs strung onto kunais that are shot at the target and later detonate, if the explosion originates an inch away from the yata mirror it would no reason to reach Sasuke specifically and implode him all the way from there, by Kishimoto's listed definitions to not be contradicted the kunai's need to be flung back which doesn't occur due to them being destroyed by the explosion.
• By having the prior example of the blade being deflected it confirms what the statement proposed and makes it a consistent ability of the mirror

I'm already aware of everything you've listed; I just have a different interpretation of the result.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

I'm already aware of everything you've listed; I just have a different interpretation of the result.

and I explained in the third line why you're "different interpretation" and insinuated contradiction for the ability explanation is incorrect and used line 2 & 4 to make my case more consistent and credible

 

[Damage3245]

and I explained in the third line why you're "different interpretation" and insinuated contradiction for the ability explanation is incorrect and used line 2 & 4 to make my case more consistent and credible

All I'll say is that deflecting attacks doesn't necessarily mean reflecting them back at the user, and I'll drop it there.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

You can say that sure, the issue is Kirin's large destructive range would at least have visual showings of being scattered in other places or propelled backwards and leave itachi standing unscathed instead of lying down all wounded and bloodied on the floor, in my view there's several factors repeatedly contradicting the idea that the mirror was used

 

[KingogKings777]

I'd highly suggest you improve your reading comprehension skills before engaging with me again.

As a Bleach fan I take this as a personal attack against my immutable characteristics. Get back to me when you humble yourself about being able to read.