Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[KingogKings777]

Gonna be honest that sounds like cope with what we've seen Ikemoto drawn so far.

 

[KingogKings777]

because it is a sequel with establish narratives that it goes off of
if boruto started out as its own thing with no prequels it would have far more feats

Tbh I feel like there would be a lot fewer feats since there might have been a good chance of it getting the Red Hood treatment. Since without Naruto there's no reason to have read Boruto.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Tbh I feel like there would be a lot fewer feats since there might have been a good chance of it getting the Red Hood treatment. Since without Naruto there's no reason to have read Boruto.

Huh

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Are there accepted country sizes for Naruto?

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

yes and no


we have konoha to suna distance and can use that to plot out individual country sizes

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Any accepted calcs regarding that?

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Well Konoha and Suna stuff is accepted
i tried using that to gauge individual country diameters and it came in the 2~3K km diameter ranges
Stryker saw that calc and kinda agreed with it

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Well that's low

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

what were you hoping for?

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I missed the K

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

bro thought we had city block sized countries

 

[SlendVeny]

I missed the K

The funny thing is, missing either K produces the same value.

 

[Iabihs]

Maybe planet calc for 2 months to travel around it and then get a planet size from there?

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

If calc stacking was allowed we’d have 3B Konoha

 

[Testarossa002]

So this thread got accepted
Moving forward, if you're planning a character overhaul, the default intelligence rating for ninjas, as long as they don't have anything better is now At least Gifted.
Cc @MadaraZKX

Now, i need help with applying it to the profiles for all ninjas in the verse. Those with Genius and Extraordinary Genius don't need to be updated. Those with Gifted can have it added as supporting evidence. Everyone below that gets the new rating.
To help (if you're inexperienced), follow this steps:
1. Look at the verse page for ninjas (i stopped at Anko and there are 60+ characters left) that fit the above criteria
2. Open source editing and head to the intelligence section.
3. Copy and paste this: At least '''Gifted''' (Ninjas, by default, have exceptional and well rounded scientific knowledge<ref>Shinobi Hiden Column 7: Science</ref>)
4. At the bottom of the page, you'll see a text box asking you to describe what you changed. Just copy and paste the aforementioned thread
5. Save your changes

Don't bother with locked pages. If it's locked, they most likely scale higher than the new ratings anyways.
If you have any issues, you can contact me on my wall.
Thank you for your expected cooperation

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Are there accepted country sizes for Naruto?

Konoha has an accepted size of ~124 km in diameter and there's a ~20 km diameter forest outside it, so assuming Konoha is in one country, it's big enough to house something 144 km across.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

This statement is kind of insane using 2K km wide countries, since contextually it'd be referring to the Juubi vaporizing a country with one Bijuudama. And Pain was actually surprised at how strong 50% Kurama was and that he was able to break out of CT despite Kurama naturally being a large part of the Bijuu's added power, so you could perhaps even say Chibaku Tensei/50% Kurama scale to a good portion of this potential feat, which seems to be High 6-A from some rudimentary calcs I did.

Konoha has an accepted size of ~124 km in diameter and there's a ~20 km diameter forest outside it, so assuming Konoha is in one country, it's big enough to house something 144 km across.

And using this it'd be marginally above that High 6-B+ calc you did so still pretty good lol

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

This statement is kind of insane using 2K km wide countries, since contextually it'd be referring to the Juubi vaporizing a country with one Bijuudama. And Pain was actually surprised at how strong 50% Kurama was and that he was able to break out of CT despite Kurama naturally being a large part of the Bijuu's added power, so you could perhaps even say Chibaku Tensei/50% Kurama scale to a good portion of this potential feat, which seems to be High 6-A from some rudimentary calcs I did.

And using this it'd be marginally above that High 6-B+ calc you did so still pretty good lol

I know about this lol
I even calced how powerful TBBs need to be to nuke a single one and it gave borderline 5C values consistently

Only issue is pain is talking about ten tails with Kurama and Gyuki in it
don’t think him being surprised proves otherwise since he’d know by lore reasons what the power of the Juubi was rather than individual bijuu tiering


With Konoha radius you get like baseline H6A but we need a statement of some bijuu nuking Konoha

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

One may even be able to goon using the wank statements previously used for ten tails

Like calling him a god and mentioning how he reshaped lands to glaze the Juubi and ensure the characters take him seriously (like if he didn’t scale to that version of himself why would you gauge his current threat level using old feats, the only possible explanation is that this Juubi likely has the same tiering as the prime one)

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I know about this lol
I even calced how powerful TBBs need to be to nuke a single one and it gave borderline 5C values consistently

Only issue is pain is talking about ten tails with Kurama and Gyuki in it
don’t think him being surprised proves otherwise since he’d know by lore reasons what the power of the Juubi was rather than individual bijuu tiering

Hmmmm perhaps, although the known lore seems to be that the Juubi's power was linearly split into 9 pieces, and even Kurama seemed to think this

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Hmmmm perhaps, although the known lore seems to be that the Juubi's power was linearly split into 9 pieces, and even Kurama seemed to think this

You can be split up without each bijuu having equal chakra

Chakra = Power
We know Kurama is stronger than a lot of them combined so that doesn’t work


The last scan straight up sh*ts on the whole attempt, he thinks it’s easier to beat this version than that one and he also thinks he and Gyuki have the most chakra
So tough luck

 

[MinatoSparkle]

You can be split up without each bijuu having equal chakra

Chakra = Power
We know Kurama is stronger than a lot of them combined so that doesn’t work

That's...not what I said? Linearly =/= equally, all I'm saying is that Pain wasn't necessarily thinking Juubi>9 Bijuu's added power

The last scan straight up sh*ts on the whole attempt, he thinks it’s easier to beat this version than that one and he also thinks he and Gyuki have the most chakra
So tough luck

Doesn't shit on Pain's statement at all though, it supports it if anything.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Here’s an idea


War arc Juubi is 30% of its prime, 9 bijuus = 100%

Assume Bee is 10%
Bijuu 1-7 is 30%
50% Kurama is also 30%

So the total sections are
1-7 bijuu = 30
100% Kurama = 60
Bee = 10

Total 100

Since Juubi lacked full on bee and Kurama it makes sense for him to be 30% of whatever value his prime gets

This is also consistent with how Kurama a mere bijuu allows Naruto to fight with someone with the power of the feared ten tails
While you’ll miss out on 5C it’ll land you really REALLY high into H6A

That's...not what I said? Linearly =/= equally, all I'm saying is that Pain wasn't necessarily thinking Juubi>9 Bijuu's added power

Doesn't shit on Pain's statement at all though, it supports it if anything.

I don’t follow, are you suggesting downscaling Juubi feats to the individual bijuu?

 

[MinatoSparkle]

This is kind of like what I was saying, downscaling from vaporizing a country

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I don’t follow, are you suggesting downscaling Juubi feats to the individual bijuu?

Not the Juubi's actual feats since in reality he is exponentially stronger than the Bijuu combined, but just downscaling them from Pain's statement that the total power of all 9 Bijuu can vaporize a country.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Not the Juubi's actual feats since in reality he is exponentially stronger than the Bijuu combined, but just downscaling them from Pain's statement that the total power of all 9 Bijuu can vaporize a country.

OHHH
okay okay
then it’s a matter of interpretation that
If he thought it’s a direct addition then the bijuus will be given divided versions of that giant feat, that’s actually genius

 

[MinatoSparkle]

OHHH
okay okay
then it’s a matter of interpretation that
If he thought it’s a direct addition then the bijuus will be given divided versions of that giant feat, that’s actually genius

Well I don't think it's fool proof but that's what I was saying the whole time

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Well I don't think it's fool proof but that's what I was saying the whole time

upon further thinking I gotta disagree, later lore and events contradict that, pain not knowing matters little since we know little of his info source, he could just have known that oh yeah prime juubi did so and so feats so I believe the version I shared is a more safer way to downscale that feat to allow juubito to hit multi cont ranges

 

[MinatoSparkle]

upon further thinking I gotta disagree, later lore and events contradict that, pain not knowing matters little since we know little of his info source, he could just have known that oh yeah prime juubi did so and so feats so I believe the version I shared is a more safer way to downscale that feat to allow juubito to hit multi cont ranges

the known lore seems to be that the Juubi's power was linearly split into 9 pieces, and even Kurama seemed to think this

Also Kurama even after the Bijuu level upgrade will be rated >>Bijuus 1-8 combined, so that method doesn't really work unless you plan to debunk that (and I don't think you can just say Juubito scales to 32/229ths of the FP Juubi, cause that would definitely be calc stacking, if in a reverse fashion of how it's usually used)

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Also Kurama even after the Bijuu level upgrade will be rated >>Bijuus 1-8 combined, so that method doesn't really work unless you plan to debunk that (and I don't think you can just say Juubito scales to 32/229ths of the FP Juubi, cause that would definitely be calc stacking, if in a reverse fashion of how it's usually used)

oh really? can i see the crt or the profile where its written that hes superior to all of them?

that would ruin the equation, as for the calc stack, is it really a calc stack? we see them clash equally with the bijuubombs, there's no calc to make here, just inference via feats

 

[MinatoSparkle]

oh really? can i see the crt or the profile where its written that hes superior to all of them?

He's rated 196.7 teratons, while the Bijuu are currently 4 gigatons and will still only be individually 4 teratons after Arc's CRT

that would ruin the equation, as for the calc stack, is it really a calc stack? we see them clash equally with the bijuubombs, there's no calc to make here, just inference via feats

50% Kurama is currently rated as far superior to initial KCM2 Naruto due to imperfect control of Kurama's power.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

He's rated 196.7 teratons, while the Bijuu are currently 4 gigatons and will still only be individually 4 teratons after Arc's CRT

50% Kurama is currently rated as far superior to initial KCM2 Naruto due to imperfect control of Kurama's power.

noo this wont do, crossverse tiers =/= inverse tiers

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

btw how did Bijuus get mid godly regen


I get mind and body, but soul?

 

[MinatoSparkle]

noo this wont do, crossverse tiers =/= inverse tiers

This is the current inverse scaling chain: 50% Kurama = MKCM2 Naruto>2nd form Juubi>>1st form Juubi>>KCM2 Naruto = 5x Bijuu level
(I disagree with this on various levels but that's how it's accepted atm)

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

This is the current inverse scaling chain: 50% Kurama = MKCM2 Naruto>2nd form Juubi>>1st form Juubi>>KCM2 Naruto = 5x Bijuu level
(I disagree with this on various levels but that's how it's accepted atm)

tbh, kcm2 and mkcm2 are more or less the same thing ap wise
he just gets better at manipulating and transmission of bijuu chakra, that is what ch616 and 617 say, but power increases? never stated so I'd dismiss that


....is my personal view in these things
could you remind me of what feat first form juubi had above kcm2? I know it flicked away bee's TBB

 

[MinatoSparkle]

tbh, kcm2 and mkcm2 are more or less the same thing ap wise
he just gets better at manipulating and transmission of bijuu chakra, that is what ch616 and 617 say, but power increases? never stated so I'd dismiss that


....is my personal view in these things
could you remind me of what feat first form juubi had above kcm2? I know it flicked away bee's TBB

 

[Samlex1234]

Granting that Momoshiki was the cause (I haven't read the novel, nor have I read the scans in a long ass while), why would this scale to any of his attacks? All you would get from this is some level of environmental destruction (4-B overtime or whatever, tmk the star didn't go supernova immediately if it all, it was just stated to be near the end of its life).

According to the wiki, the GBE of the Sun is “5.693E+41 J or 136.066 Quettatons of TNT”. If we are going by this, to force a star like our Sun into its very final red giant phase, you must at the very least overcome the gravitational binding force holding the outer layers to the core, requiring about 10–20% of its total gravitational binding energy which is at least 5.7 x10^40 J to 1.1 X 10^41 J Low star level.

If it was the initial translation we got that mentioned synchrotron radiation specifically it would mean that the star is at least a massive star that went supernova or in its very final stage of red supergiant phase which is 4b or 4b over time. I don't agree with this interpretation.

Personally, I believe this feat is at least Low Star Level, as it required overcoming the gravitational binding energy holding the Sun's outer layers to its core. Since Momoshiki accomplished this in his base form, it stands to reason that his Ap in his fused state, and specifically his final attack against Boruto which is stated to be his greatest technique ever would surpass the power of the technique used to achieve this feat in base.

 

[Sasukesama0492]

regen

Resurrection

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

well these def are feats, I think we can explain it having some superiority by understanding it not only has 1-7 bijuus but gyukis tail and kuramas bits and pieces
it being stronger inherently shouldnt in theory contradict the chain I listed as he is stronger not equal, kurama lets us know he can give it a try implying there's some level of relativity and the feat where he tanks the tbb should add more credence to it (i think that's him tanking it i could be wrong)

off topic but first form was so easily the better design kishi shoulda never changed it into sth else

Resurrection

my bad, where did soul come from tho?

Personally, I believe this feat is at least Low Star Level, as it required overcoming the gravitational binding energy holding the Sun's outer layers to its core. =

smart boi

 

[MinatoSparkle]

well these def are feats, I think we can explain it having some superiority by understanding it not only has 1-7 bijuus but gyukis tail and kuramas bits and pieces
it being stronger inherently shouldnt in theory contradict the chain I listed as he is stronger not equal, kurama lets us know he can give it a try implying there's some level of relativity and the feat where he tanks the tbb should add more credence to it (i think that's him tanking it i could be wrong)

His Kurama Avatar was significantly damaged despite him being fully wrapped up and the Juubi's Bijuudama being weakened by Naruto and Bee's Bijuudamas

off topic but first form was so easily the better design kishi shoulda never changed it into sth else

Perhaps