Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[Ghostimuscrime]

well these def are feats, I think we can explain it having some superiority by understanding it not only has 1-7 bijuus but gyukis tail and kuramas bits and pieces
it being stronger inherently shouldnt in theory contradict the chain I listed as he is stronger not equal, kurama lets us know he can give it a try implying there's some level of relativity and the feat where he tanks the tbb should add more credence to it (i think that's him tanking it i could be wrong)

off topic but first form was so easily the better design kishi shoulda never changed it into sth else

Resurrection

my bad, where did soul come from tho?

Personally, I believe this feat is at least Low Star Level, as it required overcoming the gravitational binding energy holding the Sun's outer layers to its core. =

smart boi

 

[MinatoSparkle]

well these def are feats, I think we can explain it having some superiority by understanding it not only has 1-7 bijuus but gyukis tail and kuramas bits and pieces
it being stronger inherently shouldnt in theory contradict the chain I listed as he is stronger not equal, kurama lets us know he can give it a try implying there's some level of relativity and the feat where he tanks the tbb should add more credence to it (i think that's him tanking it i could be wrong)

His Kurama Avatar was significantly damaged despite him being fully wrapped up and the Juubi's Bijuudama being weakened by Naruto and Bee's Bijuudamas

off topic but first form was so easily the better design kishi shoulda never changed it into sth else

Perhaps

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

His Kurama Avatar was significantly damaged despite him being fully wrapped up and the Juubi's Bijuudama being weakened by Naruto and Bee's Bijuudamas

relative characters damage each other significantly, him withstanding it and being left with his body is what was impressive to me

juubi tanking both naruto and bees charged tbbs is a strong point ill admit

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Personally, I believe this feat is at least Low Star Level, as it required overcoming the gravitational binding energy holding the Sun's outer layers to its core. Since Momoshiki accomplished this in his base form, it stands to reason that his Ap in his fused state, and specifically his final attack against Boruto which is stated to be his greatest technique ever would surpass the power of the technique used to achieve this feat in base.

Can you provide the scan for it being his strongest attack?

 

[Nierre]

if that Rasengan is actually stated to be his strongest attack that'd be based as hell......

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

According to the wiki, the GBE of the Sun is “5.693E+41 J or 136.066 Quettatons of TNT”. If we are going by this, to force a star like our Sun into its very final red giant phase, you must at the very least overcome the gravitational binding force holding the outer layers to the core, requiring about 10–20% of its total gravitational binding energy which is at least 5.7 x10^40 J to 1.1 X 10^41 J Low star level.

If it was the initial translation we got that mentioned synchrotron radiation specifically it would mean that the star is at least a massive star that went supernova or in its very final stage of red supergiant phase which is 4b or 4b over time. I don't agree with this interpretation.

Personally, I believe this feat is at least Low Star Level, as it required overcoming the gravitational binding energy holding the Sun's outer layers to its core. Since Momoshiki accomplished this in his base form, it stands to reason that his Ap in his fused state, and specifically his final attack against Boruto which is stated to be his greatest technique ever would surpass the power of the technique used to achieve this feat in base.

Ok wait, Have I been downplaying a good feat?

I always thought the star stuff was mistranslated and meant to be earth and thus never pursued it once

 

[Samlex1234]

Can you provide the scan for it being his strongest attack?

Nierre might have the original kanji if you need. However this english translation is what we have been using so far.

Full text of "NOVEL: Boruto Naruto the Movie"

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Nierre might have the original kanji if you need. However this english translation is what we have been using so far.

Full text of "NOVEL: Boruto Naruto the Movie"

Naw I’m sure this translation is fine.

Ig my next question would be, why does this mean it has more AP than a non-combat applicable environmental destruction technique, especially one in which we have no idea what its mechanics are (like does he pump energy into the star, does the star have a mythical life force akin to planets that can be drained, does he set off a chain reaction, etc)?

 

[GTsek]

Is the movie novel considered canon for the main series profiles?

 

[Sasukesama0492]

my bad, where did soul come from tho?

 

[MinatoSparkle]

relative characters damage each other significantly, him withstanding it and being left with his body is what was impressive to me

I think the fact that the Juubidama had to go through 5 KCM2 Bijuudamas first makes it much less impressive

juubi tanking both naruto and bees charged tbbs is a strong point ill admit

And he damaged himself with his Bijuudamas

 

[GTsek]

According to the wiki, the GBE of the Sun is “5.693E+41 J or 136.066 Quettatons of TNT”. If we are going by this, to force a star like our Sun into its very final red giant phase, you must at the very least overcome the gravitational binding force holding the outer layers to the core, requiring about 10–20% of its total gravitational binding energy which is at least 5.7 x10^40 J to 1.1 X 10^41 J Low star level.

If it was the initial translation we got that mentioned synchrotron radiation specifically it would mean that the star is at least a massive star that went supernova or in its very final stage of red supergiant phase which is 4b or 4b over time. I don't agree with this interpretation.

Personally, I believe this feat is at least Low Star Level, as it required overcoming the gravitational binding energy holding the Sun's outer layers to its core. Since Momoshiki accomplished this in his base form, it stands to reason that his Ap in his fused state, and specifically his final attack against Boruto which is stated to be his greatest technique ever would surpass the power of the technique used to achieve this feat in base.

If I'm not mistaken, it's only mentioned that Momoshiki and Kinshiki were on a planet, cultivating shinjus, and it is mentioned that this planet is being bombarded by synchrotron radiation, In other words, there was a neutral star nearby, but how can we prove that Momoshiki did something to that star?

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Naw I’m sure this translation is fine.

Ig my next question would be, why does this mean it has more AP than a non-combat applicable environmental destruction technique, especially one in which we have no idea what its mechanics are (like does he pump energy into the star, does the star have a mythical life force akin to planets that can be drained, does he set off a chain reaction, etc)?

What non combative technique would he use?

If those cost a certain amount of chakra to perform regardless why not use that or greater amounts in his combat?

I’m not sold on it but assuming he’s right I doubt your contentions are valid

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Thanks

 

[Samlex1234]

Naw I’m sure this translation is fine.

Ig my next question would be, why does this mean it has more AP than a non-combat applicable environmental destruction technique, especially one in which we have no idea what its mechanics are (like does he pump energy into the star, does the star have a mythical life force akin to planets that can be drained, does he set off a chain reaction, etc)

To be honest, I don’t fully understand the mechanics behind how he achieved the feat. However, based on what we know, it’s clear that at the very least, he must have overcome the gravitational binding force (GBF) holding the Sun’s outer layers to its core. As you’re likely aware, the GBF is what keeps a star stable, so draining the star’s energy is definitely out of the picture.

While it’s theoretically possible to initiate a chain reaction, such a process cannot bypass the GBF. Given how unnatural this feat is bypassing processes that naturally take millions to billions of years you would still need to overwhelm the GBF first. Without overcoming the GBF, any attempt to set up a chain reaction would fail. Once the GBF is overcome, a chain reaction could be initiated, potentially leading to the Sun’s collapse and eventual transition into a white dwarf.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Naruto/Boruto God Tiers:

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

What non combative technique would he use?

If those cost a certain amount of chakra to perform regardless why not use that or greater amounts in his combat?

I’m not sold on it but assuming he’s right I doubt your contentions are valid

To be honest, I don’t fully understand the mechanics behind how he achieved the feat. However, based on what we know, it’s clear that at the very least, he must have overcome the gravitational binding force (GBF) holding the Sun’s outer layers to its core. As you’re likely aware, the GBF is what keeps a star stable, so draining the star’s energy is definitely out of the picture.

While it’s theoretically possible to initiate a chain reaction, such a process cannot bypass the GBF. Given how unnatural this feat is bypassing processes that naturally take millions to billions of years you would still need to overwhelm the GBF first. Without overcoming the GBF, any attempt to set up a chain reaction would fail. Once the GBF is overcome, a chain reaction could be initiated, potentially leading to the Sun’s collapse and eventual transition into a white dwarf.

Right so we all agree that there is a complete ambiguity upon how he achieved the feat. Thus it is the less assumptive claim to remain agnostic as to how he did it, rather than assert he did so in some way that scales to AP. Which is the point I was getting at. In which case the feat is unknown in terms of how it scales to Momoshiki.

 

[Samlex1234]

If I'm not mistaken, it's only mentioned that Momoshiki and Kinshiki were on a planet, cultivating shinjus, and it is mentioned that this planet is being bombarded by synchrotron radiation, In other words, there was a neutral star nearby, but how can we prove that Momoshiki did something to that star?

You are mistaken indeed. It is literally called a sun and it is not a neutral star. We even see upfront visual evidence, as it bombard the planet with radiation. If you want to get my argument for Momoshiki causing it, check page 1129.

Take a look at the sun, it was not just a random star that was far away.

 

[Samlex1234]

Right so we all agree that there is a complete ambiguity upon how he achieved the feat. Thus it is the less assumptive claim to remain agnostic as to how he did it, rather than assert he did so in some way that scales to AP. Which is the point I was getting at. In which case the feat is unknown in terms of how it scales to Momoshiki.

No we all don't completely agree to anything at least I'm not with you on that. My claim is to cause such a feat you need concentrated energy. He did it via an energy-based technique in base, his Rasengan in Fused state is his greatest technique ever thus it is greater than any attack he must have used.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

No we all don't completely agree to anything at least I'm not with you on that. My claim is to cause such a feat you need concentrated energy. He did it via an energy-based technique in base, his Rasengan in Fused state is his greatest technique ever thus it is greater than any attack he must have used.

You don’t need concentrated energy to perform that feat tho. Aging the star would provide the same effect. Manipulating the chemical processes through manipulating physics could provide runaway fusion reactions to the same effect. We know celestial bodies in Naruto possess life energy in addition to their physical energies (kinetic and potential and chemical), so draining its life force could produce the same effect. I can go on and on, but there’s plenty of non-AP related abilities that can bring a star to the end of its life span. Now to clarify I’m NOT making any claim on how Momoshiki did it, since there’s numerous possibilities, none of which explained or given indication of being more likely than the other, I’m remaining agnostic.

 

[Samlex1234]

You don’t need concentrated energy to perform that feat tho. Aging the star would provide the same effect. Manipulating the chemical processes through manipulating physics could provide runaway fusion reactions to the same effect. We know celestial bodies in Naruto possess life energy in addition to their physical energies (kinetic and potential and chemical), so draining its life force could produce the same effect. I can go on and on, but there’s plenty of non-AP related abilities that can bring a star to the end of its life span. Now to clarify I’m NOT making any claim on how Momoshiki did it, since there’s numerous possibilities, none of which explained or given indication of being more likely than the other, I’m remaining agnostic.

You don't listen. But I will let it die here as i don't really care for a meaningless argument with you.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

You don't listen.

ahh response

 

[Deceived3596]

ducking and dodging like @AlexSoloVaAlFuturo prophesied

 

[Samlex1234]

ahh response

ducking and dodging like @AlexSoloVaAlFuturo prophesied

I really don't care much for you guys' toxic trash and I have made a promise to myself that I will not engage in a circular argument with you all any longer. Suit yourselves

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I really don't care much for you guys' toxic trash and I have made a promise to myself that I will not engage in a circular argument with you all any longer. Suit yourselves

How is my argument circular and how am I not listening to your points hm? You literally said your claim is he did the feat via concentrated energy. I provided a counter claim along with logical evidence.

 

[Deceived3596]

I'm only a mere Soothsayer, speaking truth to power.

 

[KaydeeX]

for what it’s worth, i do find the momoshiki arguments more compelling than it’s given credit for

 

[AnimesFreak2]

AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH I WANNA QUIT MY JOB SO BAD

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Real

 

[Gokukid2005]

Naruto/Boruto God Tiers:

#ILoveMySeries

 

[Iabihs]

Good morning

 

[Sasukesama0492]

Good noon

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Naruto/Boruto God Tiers:

Most verses do this…

 

[Damage3245]

Naruto/Boruto God Tiers:

Makes me wish we had two versions of the profiles. What we see the characters do, and what we think they can do.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Makes me wish we had two versions of the profiles. What we see the characters do, and what we think they can do.

I believe possibly ratings exist for such a reason

 

[Iabihs]

I wonder what people that think Naruto lost six paths mode AFTER the momoshiki fight think happened.
It's so interesting to me it's like those schizogram videos of cia Alien theories

 

[GTsek]

You are mistaken indeed. It is literally called a sun and it is not a neutral star. We even see upfront visual evidence, as it bombard the planet with radiation. If you want to get my argument for Momoshiki causing it, check page 1129.

Take a look at the sun, it was not just a random star that was far away.

You know that ordinary stars do not emit synchrotron radiation in considerable quantities, right? To bombard the surface of a planet, a larger source, such as neutron stars, would be needed. And yet, there is nothing to prove that Momoshiki caused that in the star, the text of the novel and not even the anime point to that.

 

[Iabihs]

i know it already got denied here but if you really want an argument for star levels the Majestic Attire Argument is Far Better, atleast you have a statement that can mean something even if its a bit vague.

 

[Samlex1234]

You know that ordinary stars do not emit synchrotron radiation in considerable quantities, right? To bombard the surface of a planet, a larger source, such as neutron stars, would be needed. And yet, there is nothing to prove that Momoshiki caused that in the star, the text of the novel and not even the anime point to that.

I would reply to this once because I gave you the wrong page for my arguments. find them below

This being a possible solar system feat by Momo is not outrageous at all.

“Somewhere on an unidentified world” (shirenu sekai means on the planet in this case)

“Its doomed sun burned red” the star providing sunlight, essential for sustaining life (e.g… through photosynthesis) was dying

“bathing its russet-colored terrain in the brilliant hues of an aurora” Instead of emitting typical sunlight, the dying sun emitted radiation, illuminating the planet with aurora-like light.

“The prize he had seized was the Divine Tree that had grown in these lands... now cruelly cut down and bereft of its fruit.
For no other reason than to "harvest" it, this world, and those who dwelled upon it, had been effortlessly destroyed.”

Analysis
A natural death of the sun (e.g., via stellar evolution) would have taken billions of years. However, the planet was vibrant and good before Momoshiki destroyed it which would have been impossible as advanced civilization or photosynthesis can not persist on the planet If the sun was dying naturally, in fact they should have died at least millions of years before the sun reached a red giant phase.
The logical conclusion, the event was unnatural and likely caused by Momoshiki.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Momoshiki destroying the Civilization on the planet before planting a Shinju (Which itself is stated to be a planet ender) is antithetical to the point of planting a Shinju in the first place.

You’d have to concede the statement of him destroying the civilization is in reference of Shinju usage unless you can properly explain away the contradiction.