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Pretty much this, and we tend to assume jutsu >= physicals anyways, so Madara (casually, I might add) blocking the miniature Bijuudama and then taking the recoil would put him above KCM2’s physicals.
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Naruto Major Overhaul Part 2: Battle Tendency
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Sorry I couldn't get here sooner, guys. I was busy with some college stuff.
Anyway, since I was heavily involved in making this, I obviously agree with it.
Massive thank you to @LordTracer and @Rocker1189 for explaining certain things that I thought I'd have to do myself. Great job holding the fort guys. And ofc thanks to @M3X for putting everything together.
Anyway, since I was heavily involved in making this, I obviously agree with it.
Massive thank you to @LordTracer and @Rocker1189 for explaining certain things that I thought I'd have to do myself. Great job holding the fort guys. And ofc thanks to @M3X for putting everything together.
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Here’s the tiers for a couple of characters that aren’t in the OP.
EMS Sasuke: At least 7-A (Much stronger than he was with the Mangekyō Sharingan), possibly High 7-A (Suigetsu implied that he’d surpassed Orochimaru, and he was portrayed as comparable to the rest of Team 7)
Yamato: 7-B (Should be comparable to Naruto), 7-A with Mokuton (Could restrain KN4 Naruto)
*if anyone has any better suggestions for base Yamato’s justifications, lmk
The rest of the Konoha 11 that isn’t Team 7, Neji and Shikamaru: Just scale them above their Part I selves.
Danzō: 7-A (Overpowered Karin, and could harm Taka Sasuke)
Rasa: 6-C (Clashed evenly with Gaara during the War Arc)
Darui: 7-A (Fought against Suigetsu, and could push back Taka Sasuke)
Samui: 7-A (Fought against Kinkaku and Ginkaku alongside Darui)
Base Kinkaku/Ginkaku: 7-A (Fought with Darui)
Mū and Gengetsu: 6-C (Comparable to each other. Mū was able to match Ōnoki and Gengetsu overpowered Gaara)
Karin: 7-A (Consistently able to damage and beat up Suigetsu, and helped him restrain Jugo), High 7-A with Adamantine Chains (Destroyed Guruguru’s Buddha Statue)
I’ll add scans soon, a little busy rn
EMS Sasuke: At least 7-A (Much stronger than he was with the Mangekyō Sharingan), possibly High 7-A (Suigetsu implied that he’d surpassed Orochimaru, and he was portrayed as comparable to the rest of Team 7)
Yamato: 7-B (Should be comparable to Naruto), 7-A with Mokuton (Could restrain KN4 Naruto)
*if anyone has any better suggestions for base Yamato’s justifications, lmk
The rest of the Konoha 11 that isn’t Team 7, Neji and Shikamaru: Just scale them above their Part I selves.
Danzō: 7-A (Overpowered Karin, and could harm Taka Sasuke)
Rasa: 6-C (Clashed evenly with Gaara during the War Arc)
Darui: 7-A (Fought against Suigetsu, and could push back Taka Sasuke)
Samui: 7-A (Fought against Kinkaku and Ginkaku alongside Darui)
Base Kinkaku/Ginkaku: 7-A (Fought with Darui)
Mū and Gengetsu: 6-C (Comparable to each other. Mū was able to match Ōnoki and Gengetsu overpowered Gaara)
Karin: 7-A (Consistently able to damage and beat up Suigetsu, and helped him restrain Jugo), High 7-A with Adamantine Chains (Destroyed Guruguru’s Buddha Statue)
I’ll add scans soon, a little busy rn
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How did I know that she’d be the one people have issues with?
I can get several examples of her harming Suigetsu, a 7-A, I see no reason why she would be Unknown.
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Did she harm him or just turn him into water...
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Both. Also not every attack turns him into water, he took a punch from B (made clear by the thud sound effect) and only turned into water when he chose to, so he could trap him.
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As much as that would make sense, the only statements comparing the two are in reference to their Adamantine Chains, with the databook stating that Karin’s chains are just a shadow of Kushina’s or something along those lines (which is pretty obvious since Kushina could restrain the goddamn Nine-Tails).
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It's really hard not to see these as being gag scenes when Suigetsu isn't actually fighting back against her in those circumstances.
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Neither of those scenes are meant to be comedic in nature, and she still helped restrain Jūgo, so...
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I wasn't referring to her restraining Jugo as the gag scene.
More her stomping on Suigetsu into a puddle, or her kicking Suigetsu into performing a goofy face. I really believe that the last of those scenes is heavily intended to be comedic going by Suigetsu's expressions and the dynamic entry.
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Ik you weren’t, I was just adding it as a reminder.
If like, she only did it once and didn’t restrain Jūgo, then I could agree with it just being a gag. (Also I don’t see how her beating Suigetsu into the ground is like a gag at all). But she’s done it twice and helped restrain someone that scales to Suigetsu, so it seems far too consistent to just write it off.
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Restraining someone is a lot easier than actually tanking a hit from them, or hurting them.
But her hitting Suigetsu... given that he can explode into water at just a slap, her repeatedly kicking him into a puddle doesn't seem like a significant feat to me. Especially given the gag nature of it.
But her hitting Suigetsu... given that he can explode into water at just a slap, her repeatedly kicking him into a puddle doesn't seem like a significant feat to me. Especially given the gag nature of it.
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Still an AP feat though.
As I showed earlier, Suigetsu does not turn into water with every single hit he takes. He took a punch from B without turning into water, he actively chose to turn into water so he could trap him. And again, the first scene doesn’t seem like a gag at all, nor is it the only time it’s happened.
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Yes, the ability to liquify is not passive for either Suigetsu or Kabuto.
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That literally does not change the fact that she has feats. Roles on the battlefield do not determine tiers, otherwise Hidan, Kakuzu and Kisame would be stronger than Pain since they’re the brawler-type characters.
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This might be the most Mrk thing I've heard all week, and trust me that's quite an accomplishment.
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No reason to disagree. I 100% agree with this.
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That logic doesn’t make sense tbh. If they can actually fight then of course they would be on the front lines. Tell me, throughout the anime/manga what has Karin did other then sensing and sitting back while the rest of Team Taka fought?
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how is that a mrk thing to say when she doesn’t even have ANY feats other then her Adamatine Chains??? Then what feat other than her Adamatine Chain can she actually be comparable to Team Taka?
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Tracer literally linked feats above lmao......
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So something of a funny scene between the two is actually enough for them to fight? then also explain how everyone else fights yet she sits back and does nothing. Let’s not forget Sakura is a healer too yet she’s on the frontlines so how come Karin ain’t if she can harm someone like Suigetsu?
that’s the mrkest thing u could had ever said
that’s the mrkest thing u could had ever said
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Actually, Adamant Chains are made from the massive amounts of Uzumaki Chakra, it isn't a thing that scales to their regular attacks, obviously.
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I meant Karin having a tier physically. Her Adamatine Chains however were actually doing things but herself? Naw
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There's that, and I also have issues with scaling healthy Orochimaru to CS2 Sasuke.
Also with the durability of KCM2 Naruto's shadow clone and his miniature Biju Bomb being assumed to be 6-C.
Mei's scaling to Madara is a bit questionable. His Susano'o barely appears damaged by her acid, and I don't know if we have a good value to scale his generic fireballs to (simply scaling Madara's own fire jutsu to his durability is odd).
On the topic of Madara himself.... I have some reservations regarding him "taking the Rasenshuriken without any damage". While the jutsu wasn't enough to incapacitate Madara, I don't think we have good reason to expect it to. The wide-explosive attack of the Rasenshuriken doesn't seem to cause massive external damage to his opponents like Kakuzu and the 3rd Raikage, and as an Edo Tensei Madara would regenerate from any internal damage inflicted by the Rasenshuriken.
The moments between Madara being hit and Madara being pinned down by Hashirama's Sage Gates is off-screen. It seems to me that Naruto's jutsu had to have some kind of effect in order for Hashirama to have the opening to immobilize Madara.
I'm not against Madara scaling to the Rasenshuriken in some form, but I think it is misleading to say that he "took it without any damage" when we never see it hitting him, and we only see the after-effects after we cut back to the scene and Hashirama has pinned Madara in place.
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I didn't say it didn't hit him. I'm saying we never see the actual effects of it hitting him. We can't say he took zero damage from it.The manga made itself clear.
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We see it hit him, then the next panel we see him sitting there an there's no evidence of him regenerating.
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It's not "next panel". We cut away from the scene for a conversation between Gaara and the Tailed Beasts. We then cut back to the scene and Hashirama has already pinned Madara down with the gates. Internal regeneration would have no evidence anyway, but aside from that, we've already been shown that Edo Tensei can regenerate quickly.
The only thing we know is that "Naruto's jutsu didn't take him down", but it wouldn't take down an Edo Tensei anyway.
I don't believe Madara would have just stood there, completely unaffected by the Rasenshuriken, and just let himself be hit and sealed by Hashirama.
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Then there would be 0 reason to say it wont take him down, thatis very obvious, the main point of it wont take him down is the fact that it didnt damage him. Literally when Madara was drpping a meteor on the battlefield despite the act neither he nor muu could die. Kabuto says "you are taking us down too?"
He was literally tied up by the wood dragon he couldnt do anything.
Except Naruto's power literally slows down their regen massively as has been stated by Kabuto and accepted on the wiki.
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Edo Tensei don't have any "Internals" to damage, they are just paper with a soul inside. Hashi's gates are meant for sealing so if naruto's RS did any sort of damage, his gates would have sealed him. I think you are making way more assumptions than necessary.
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