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Fair. As long as no one's scaling off of KCM2 smacking Bijuudama's, I'm good
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It’s non-exploded Bijuudama being superior to a Bijuu’s physicals.
I believe it was some statement from one of the novels. UchihaSlayer had posted it in some thread before I thinkI'm sure it is based on something, but can I check what that reason is?
Unlike Jiraya, Naruto achieved a perfectly balanced Sage Mode, which means that he got a superior amp. So there should be more supporting evidence that Base Naruto was > Base Jiraya.Their Sage Modes have the same multiplier, so it wouldn’t make a difference.
The statement of Sasuke attributing his win over Orochimaru to Orochimaru's illness:
Unlike Jiraya, Naruto achieved a perfectly balanced Sage Mode, which means that he got a superior amp. So there should be more supporting evidence that Base Naruto was > Base Jiraya.
I talked to UchihaSlayer about this a while ago, but it is never actually stated that perfect Sage Mode grants a bigger multiplier than imperfect Sage Mode, just that it’s better at gathering nature energy.Unlike Jiraya, Naruto achieved a perfectly balanced Sage Mode, which means that he got a superior amp.
I'm sure it is based on something, but can I check what that reason is?
Here you go.We're gonna need it
How do we know this applies to the full Biju themselves?
There is no reasons it shouldnt.How do we know this applies to the full Biju themselves?
I can't think of any reasons it would either.There is no reasons it shouldnt.
Because it’s a statement made about a jinchūriki? Which, y’know, the Bijuu are superior to?How do we know this applies to the full Biju themselves?
Dragon was weakening him...Also if you want manga support, Kurama’s Bijuudama (without exploding) could destroy Hashirama’s Wood Dragon that was physically restraining him, and it’s stated both by Madara and the databook that the Dragon can restrain Kurama.
Same databook says in bold that it suppresses superhuman powers...Yeah I dunno what to tell you, the databook says it can tie and restrain Kurama, and Madara used it for the same purpose during the Fourth Shinobi World War.
I mean Naruto smacking away 5 bijuudamas was a significant event else it would not have been seen as impressive.I can't think of any reasons it would either.
I'd like at least a little supporting evidence from the manga itself considering it seems quite significant.
Then Kurama’s Bijuudama also would’ve been weakened, so it still shows that unexploded Bijuudama > Bijuu physicals.Same databook says in bold that it suppresses superhuman powers...
Thats not exactly a counter, both the bijuudama and the tailed beasts physicals are weakened. And as we know both have been seen to be comparable to each other(at least uncharged ones). Logical assumption being both are weakened by the same ratio anyway.Same databook says in bold that it suppresses superhuman powers...
This doesn't make sense...Then Kurama’s Bijuudama also would’ve been weakened, so it still shows that unexploded Bijuudama > Bijuu physicals.
The Bijuudama wouldn't be weakened to the same extent since it's working off of KE while the Bijuu's getting their energy drained.Thats not exactly a counter, both the bijuudama and the tailed beasts physicals are weakened.
How does it not make sense? If Kurama’s powers are suppressed, then his Bijuudama would obviously be suppressed as well.This doesn't make sense...
They aren’t scaling above Gyūki’s Bijuudama though. Also Gyūki is only stated to be the second strongest Bijuu by Kurama, who thinks number of tails = strength, even though the 2-7 Tails are pretty much equal to each other and Shukaku actually has better feats than them.Every Unexploded Bijuudama > Bijuu's Physicals > Second Strongest Bijuu's Bijuudama
? The KE is dependent on the power of the bijuu in the first place, if the bijuu is getting drained the speed of the bijuudama would be reduced as well.The Bijuudama wouldn't be weakened to the same extent since it's working off of KE while the Bijuu's getting their energy drained.
Who says this?Every Unexploded Bijuudama > Bijuu's Physicals > Second Strongest Bijuu's Bijuudama..?
You are the one making it make nosense.Makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
They aren’t scaling above Gyūki’s Bijuudama though. Also Gyūki is only stated to be the second strongest Bijuu by Kurama, who thinks number of tails = strength, eventhough the 2-7 Tails are pretty much equal to each other and Shukaku actually has better feats than them.
It is simply Bijuu physicals = Unexploded ~< Exploded regardless of who the bijuu is. In fact Kurama's statement is disputed by the Bijuu themselves. The only sure thing is that he is the strongest.
War Arc Biju and Biju Bombs
Characters who scale to the 6-C rating, from the Biju Bombs.
- Five Tails (The Five-Tails draws blood from Gyūki and sends him flying. The Five-Tails takes a hit from Gyūki)
- Four Tails (The Four-Tails slams Gyūki and has a prolonged struggle with KCM Naruto)
- Nine Tails (Displayed superiority in relation to the others Biju)
- Eight Tails (Hold a Biju Dama from Kurama with its hands)
unexploded Bijuudama > Bijuu physicals.
Uh, no, I never said that. I said unexploded > the Bijuu’s physicals.And Tracer was the one who said Unexploded > Exploded
He did tank it, not sure why in quotes lol but he was definitely worse for wear than when taking bijuu attacks.They scale off of Gyuki's dura which "tanked" his Bijuudama.
There is a difference but it is not huge is the point, essentially they are relative with exploded being even higher.And Tracer was the one who said Unexploded >ExplodedPhysicals
No it is Bijuu physicals < unexploded < explodedExploded Bijuudama > Unexploded Bijuudama > Bijuu's Physicals > Bee's Exploded Bijuudama
Thanks for explaining. Should be cool thenIt’s more like: B’s Exploded Bijuudama >= B’s physicals = other Bijuu’s physicals, and non-exploded Bijuudamas would fit somewhere in between the physicals and exploded Bijuudama.
Bee's physicals are capable of tanking his bijuudamas but just barely. As seen compared to him tanking his bijuu damas and him being hit by the tailed beasts physically.So from what I'm seeing.
Exploded Bijuudama > Non Exploded Bijuudama > Bee's Physicals i Bee's Bijuudama
Correct?
Madara (Casually blocked KCM2 Naruto’s miniature Bijuudama and withstood the recoil of its reflection)
The reflection oneshotted his clone. (I know clones go poof decently easily but that is only if they are weaker than the enemy or what attacked them).Naruto's miniature Bijuudama is 6-C based on what?
KCM2 Naruto in general is 6-C for reasons that were discussed earlier.Naruto's miniature Bijuudama is 6-C based on what?
When Naruto had to match the Biju Bombs of the other Tailed Beasts, he had to create a Biju Bomb equally as large as theirs.
So if this is a miniature version, there doesn't seem to be a good reason to assume this attack is 6-C.
Naruto couldn't make a Bijuudama in KCM but could make the tiny Bijuudama sized rasengan thing.Also tbh bijuudama have a weird effect of bigger is more powerful but can also be squeezed down for more power (like the rasengan actually, which is based off of BBs).
Honestly I could be wrong but after being friends with Kurama and obtaining KCM2 I thought that he could make a bijuudama for sure.Naruto couldn't make a Bijuudama in KCM but could make the tiny Bijuudama sized rasengan thing.
Its not I was just headcanoning cause it was interesting to note.This shouldn't be a good reason.
The real reasoning is for the reflection one shotting the clone I believe.
He could, but it's stated that he needed to be in full Tailed Beast Mode for it.Honestly I could be wrong but after being friends with Kurama and obtaining KCM2 I thought that he could make a bijuudama for sure.
GotchaIts not I was just headcanoning cause it was interesting to note.
I was explained the reason in a previous thread.The real reasoning is for the reflection one shotting the clone I believe.