TataHakai said:
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Six Paths Senjutsu was not given to Naruto by Hagoromo, Naruto naturally awakened it."
This is false, the databook confirms it was given by Hagoromo
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rom the ancestor of shinobi, a divine state is gifted, touching the principles of all creation, commanding all things in nature"
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Furthermore, the returning incarnation and fate's guidance ― this power is granted by the Sage of Six Paths only to someone who holds those. "
https://www.narutoforums.org/threads/databook-iv-collection-thread.1012315/page-13#post-53973154
You're wrong. Six Paths Senjutsu is not Six Paths Sage Mode which is what you linked from the Databook. These are two separate things.
Six Paths Senjutsu is awakened via having the Chakra of the 9 Bijuu,
it's why Madara literally says he also has Six Paths Senjutsu like Naruto as Madara had the 9 Bijuu Chakra.
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Hagoromo didn't give Sasuke the Rinnegan, Sasuke naturally awakened it."
Again, this is false
" From the Rikudou Sennin, he awakened the Rinnegan and the key to the seal…"
https://www.reddit.com/r/Naruto/comments/2mi8cr/translation_completed_uchiha_sasuke_4th_databook/
Let me remind you about the Wiki's discussion rule about the Naruto Databooks:
- The Naruto databook descriptions should only be used on a case-by-case basis, depending on if the sources are consistent with the manga or questionable hyperbole.
Now let me remind you how the Rinnegan is naturally awakened:
To awaken the Rinnegan one needs the Chakra of Indra and Ashura. As the reincarnation of Indra, Sasuke only needed Chakra of Ashura. Sasuke achieved that when Hashirama (the previous reincarnation of Indra) granted Sasuke his Chakra. Sasuke naturally awakened it.
Hashirama gave Sasuke his Chakra before Sasuke ever met Hagoromo.
Yes, Sasuke naturally awakened the Rinnegan. You need Indra and Ashura Chakra to do it, Sasuke had both before meeting Hagoromo.
This is very simple.
Momoshiki and Kinshiki Stuff
I'm leaving that alone for Shadow's thread, what's been agreed upon in this thread is the downgrade from 5-B to Low 5-B for all besides Momoshiki and Kinshiki as they were of a separate rating.
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Why this is wrong is because it assumes that Naruto and Sasuke performed the Six Paths Chibaku Tensei with their own Chakra which is false."
This is literally one of the dumbest things i've ever seen and can be debunked with a single scan
Since i've already proven that Hagoromo gave Naruto SOSP Mode and Sasuke the rinnegan
"" From the Rikudou Sennin, he awakened the Rinnegan and the key to the seal…""
"F
rom the ancestor of shinobi, a divine state is gifted, touching the principles of all creation, commanding all things in nature"
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Furthermore, the returning incarnation and fate's guidance ― this power is granted by the Sage of Six Paths only to someone who holds those. "
What exactly else would've caused Naruto's innate power to grow? The SOSP Mode obviously but again that was due to Hagoromo's chakra, if it was ONLY for the seal then there would be no reason for Naruto to get stronger himself. So either Hagoromo gave Naruto his chakra which gave him SOSP, which Kishimoto himself says is the case, or we go by your headcanon which means Naruto randomly got a power jump even though the chakra was only for the seal which wasn't used here. I genuienly can't believe the people on this thread, it's really not hard to try and have a simple reading comprehension. Naruto himself confirms they both got half his power, and Madara again refers to the power boost they got, nothing to do with the seal. If the chakra was ONLY for the seal and we know the chakra allowed them to gain SOSP, then please Imade explain why Naruto and Sasuke both got huge innate boosts in power, because your head canon literally makes no sense OP's main point is that Hagoromo only gave Sasuke and Naruto chakra for the seals, which is false
His chakra gave them SOSP and Rinnegan, as i proved, which also gave them buffs in innate power which wouldn't happen if the chakra they received was ONLY for the seal.
Imade is fantastic at taking things out of context, even after the seals disappeared the power of the sage stayed with Naruto and Sasuke
Hagoromo did not only give them power to Seal Kaguya but beyond that, to rule the ninja world, i guess Imade is going to argue that Ashura and Indra got SOSP chibaku tensei and not Hagoromo's power
Your point falls apart at the start since we know Naruto awakened Six Paths Senjutsu naturally and Sasuke awakened the Rinnegan naturally. Obviously Naruto and Sasuke retrieved power from Hagoromo, they were able to use Six Paths Ninjutsu, however, what's in contention is what Hagoromo distributed to them, what was naturally awakened and what Chakra was meant for what. I already explained this in the OP, but I guess you missed it:
In chapter 679, the first time Kaguya sees Naruto and Sasuke (after they received power from Hagoromo) she notices that their dominant hands are engrossed with a large amount of Chakra and states that Hagoromo gave them a specific Jutsu. Reminder, the Byakugan (which Kaguya has) allows a user to see the Chakra Pathways in a target, it allows them to see the Chakra of their target. *The Byakugan can only see Chakra, with it Kaguya notices that Naruto and Sasuke solely have large amounts of Chakra in their dominant hands where Hagoromo had given them their Sun and Moon Seals respectively.
In chapter 681, Zetsu reveals that the power given to Naruto and Sasuke by Hagoromo was a powerful seal specifically meant to seal Kaguya. He explicitly states that they received the power to do so and that it is allocated for this specific seal to be meant on Kaguya as a powerful version of a Chibaku Tensei.
- Direct confirmation that the real power given to them was the seals. It was given to them, it has a large amount of Chakra in it as seen by Kaguya.
In chapter 686, we get direct confirmation from Hagoromo himself that at the moment he no longer has enough Chakra to perform large scale Jutsu due to having just given it away (to Naruto and Sasuke for the seals he has implaneted in their hands). This is further supported in chapter 690 when Hagoromo reveals he needed help and Chakra to bring back Naruto and his friends from fighting Kaguya in another dimension.
*Hagoromo reveals that he doesn't have much Chakra anymore, we know Sasuke and Naruto have a bunch of Chakra in their hands holding the seals, the seals having been given to them by Hagoromo.
Also in chapter 690, as soon as Naruto and Sasuke use the seals on Kaguya, the seals disappear from their hands and immediately return back to Hagoromo. The seals given to Naruto and Sasuke by Hagoromo meant for the Chibaku Tensei returned back to Hagoromo after the Chakra for the seal was used on Kaguya.
It's clear as day. We are shown that the seals have a lot of Chakra in them, that they are the main power Hagoromo bequeathed to Naruto and Sasuke. Then it's literally shown that once the seals are used they return to Hagoromo.
There is no denying this.
I'm not denying that Naruto and Sasuke got more powerful after meeting Hagoromo, otherwise they wouldn't be Low 5-B and return to their ratings before the meetign with Hagoromo.
We are told they got more powerful, we are shown it and it's proven.
The issue was the incorrect belief that Hagoromo evenly split his 200zt Chakra into Sasuke and Naruto. That was false, most of Hagoromo's Chakra went into the seals as it's shown, stated and proven to us, Naruto and Sasuke did come back more powerful, but it wasn't a 5-B Chakra they returned with since that relies on incorrect head canon and goes against what we're shown, told and given.
