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Assaltwaffle

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Well, I didn't anticipate this, but here we are.

The Situatio
Earlier today Kepekley was banned globally by FANDOM. The ban was because of a statement made by Kep in which he used a racial slur. However the slur was used when he quoted KamiYasha. Yes, he was banned for quoting someone. Antvasima, Matthew, and myself all tried to reason with FANDOM to no avail. They have stonewalled and decided to ignore context entirely, which turns the administration of FANDOM itself into a weapon that can be wielded by any ill-willed user to punish those who have nothing but good intent and are justified in every way.

My Message
This is long, but below is my full transcript of my first message to FANDOM.


"As you may already know, earlier today an Administrator of VS Battles Wiki, Kepekley23, was recently banned for saying a racially offensive slur when quoting a previously banned user, KamiYasha. This banning is utterly unjustified and sets an enormously backwards precedent for all FANDOM controlled sites. This issue stems from ignoring the context of the situation. Kepekley was not being racially insensitive, nor is a racist himself. Quoting a racist remark, especially in a negative light, is not the same as using the term in a derogatory manner; to be clear, it is the opposite.

Without context, every teacher who has read "Adventures of Huckleberry Finn" aloud is now on the same level of racism as the characters that use the slur. This is blatantly false and to insinuate as much is to ignore a significant part of human communication through the dismissal of context in an ill-guided attempt to be unbiased and hold everyone to the same standard. This, however, is not how you hold people to a standard. Blanketing absolutely everyone who uses a slur or offensive phrase in any context as wrong is an incredibly naive, dangerous, and outright idiotic policy. In this way, any reporter or jury who quotes an accused defendant in a court is now held guilty of something that he/she very clearly did not say with malice or ill-intent. This is very reminiscent of the mockery case in Scotland involving Mark "Count Dankula" Meechan, in which his video was taken out of context and he was put through a misguided justice system despite his intentions being the opposite of racist. Furthermore, this is perfectly demonstrated when he is interviewed by a reporter. The reporter quotes him and asks him if he said "gas the Jews". He answered that yes, he did, but that the reporter just did as well when asking him that question. This is why context matters.

The banning of Kepekley23 with the reason of "He used a racial slur" while actively ignoring context is an embarrassment not only to the staff member that carried out the ban, but for anyone in FANDOM who condones or supports the aforementioned ban. Consider not only the injustice which you have committed against Kepekley, but also the vile and dangerous precedent this sets regarding context, quoting, and misrepresentation.

Thank you for your time and consideration."

I tried to further reason with them, as did the aforementioned users, but nothing came of it.

The Response
The response I received was crushing and painted a very grim picture.

"Hello,

Thanks for contacting FANDOM.

Our Terms of Use clearly states that users may not "Post or transmit any content that is obscene, pornographic, abusive, offensive, profane, or otherwise violates any law or right of any third party, or content that contains homophobia, ethnic slurs, religious intolerance, or encourages criminal conduct;".

Context often does matter - let me make clear that there was no context that justified this user using this slur word. He was engaged in a dispute and used inflammatory wordings. This is exactly how people have justified using this word in the past in various forms of media - "I was using it as an example"/"I was using it as a joke".

Having a blanket policy, in terms of online community moderation, is in fact a good thing. It makes it clear what is not acceptable on our network rather than adding shades of gray and complexity that do not need to be there. Simply put, our platform does not tolerate Hate Speech. End of story."

Every reply after this was more of the same. "Context does not matter" and "we will not lift the ban".

"Context Does Not Matter"
Despite Kep's quote not being hateful in any way and merely telling what terrible thing KamiYasha said, FANDOM does not care. Kep being permabanned for hate speech despite having no hate for African Americans or any group of people is injustice at its finest with a terrifying precedent set as the cherry on top.

As I have stated above, the idea that context has no meaning on a word or statement is one that is not only idiotic, but also incredibly dangerous and toxic. Context matters. Context always has mattered. Context will always matter. I'd link iDubbbz's Racial Slur rant, but that would probably get this post taken down before people see it so just go look that up for yourself.

As it stands I have nothing against any of you users. The normal users, the staff, all of y'all are great. I consider many of you good friends and this does pain me greatly, but I cannot support a platform in which context doesn't matter. That is a dangerous and horrible sentiment to use as policy and I can't be a part of it. It is deplorable, dangerous, and backwards thinking. No good will come out of it and even by helping make a site better that gains them more views and income I would be indirectly funding this ideology, which I can't abide. It's been a ride, guys. Good luck and well-wishes to all of you.
 
This is such an Unfair way to go, for you and Kepekley, Sorry, and hope you do well wherever you go in Life man
 
Awwwwwwwww, crap.

We didn't exactly do much besides some slight talks about... RuneScape iirc plus some matches, but you were always a great guy to hang around.

Shame to see you go.... but I hope I'll see you again in the distant future. For now, you will be missed.
 
I'm going to miss you deeply AssaltWaffle. You were such a good friend and staff member who's helped out so much; and it's uncertain how other projects are going to go without you. The Tier 4 revisions or the StarCraft Civilization profiles I was looking forward to the final plan. But at the same time, I understand full well why you would want to take your leave.

It's with a heavy heart to bid you farewell. But there's nothing I can do, nor do I have any right to stop you. I really hope that this can be resolved, and I do wish that your life goes on well. Same with other important staff members whom we've been losing as of late.
 
This is terrible. We lost two long-time users and staff on the same day.

I don't really want to support fandom anymore after this. Well, I guess I already use Adblock on their sites, so at least that's something.
 
What even fandom. While it's sad to see you go, I can totally understand not wanting to support an organization operating under such policies. This sort of stuff is legitimately dangerous with regards to influencing other media, and such a banning that seems to be a case of either extremely easily offended management staff or bothering by the book, on top of the other problems fandom has with this sort of thing, makes it pretty clear where their priorities lie.
 
Fandom should probably take note that creating a climate of fear is not how you grow a website, especially if you claim to strive for diversity and all that jazz.
 
I'm going to be honest, I've been avoiding the drama for the sole reason that I don't want to be a part of this at all. But if you can't provide an example of something somewhere without getting insta-labeled as the very thing you're exemplifying...

That, in itself, sounds dangerously like a manner of prejudice.

The very definition of Prejudice is:

"preconceived opinio
that is not based on reaso or actual experience."


Now if someone tells me this isn't exactly what happened in this case... How can there be reason in a judgement where context as a whole is thought as something that "doesn't matter"?

This is a lot like if I, say, saw a police officer who happens to have a gun enter a bank and tell someone else "So the robber said 'this is a robbery'." and went to call the other cops on him, fully convinced that he is going to steal the money himself.
 
The Fandom sounds like they just don't know what stuff like this is actually being referenced from or to. Not saying they're blind but I just can't see how they actually go and off someone (not in that way) when it was not from them but from another source.

Nonetheless, its pretty sad for all of this. The Fandom being jerks for this, and the fact there's nothing y'all can do. If anything, I'm sorry this has happened to you guys in a time like this.
 
Sorry to see you go.

Though we never talked, you always portrayed yourself as well-spoken and intelligent. Traits that I admire.

I'm sad to see you go, but I understand your position completely.


All I can do now is to wish you luck and say farewell.
 
VersusJunkie54 said:
I don't really want to support fandom anymore after this. Well, I guess I already use Adblock on their sites, so at least that's something.
Not many people do. Me and some others have been discussing the possibility of moving away from FANDOM and starting a new website entirely. I'm so, so very tired of their bullshit too.
 
I am also extremely sorry to hear this, as Assaltwaffle is an extremely appreciated and reliable administrator for this wiki, but I also feel extremely demoralised and disappointed about all of this. It is incredibly unfair.

I am still trying to reason with Fandom and have asked them to contact Kepekley23 directly via his new email address.
 
Darkanine said:
VersusJunkie54 said:
I don't really want to support fandom anymore after this. Well, I guess I already use Adblock on their sites, so at least that's something.
Not many people do. Me and some others have been discussing the possibility of moving away from FANDOM and starting a new website entirely. I'm so, so very tired of their bullshit too.
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Seriously, **** FANDOM. This is getting ridiculous.
 
WHAT. THE. ACTUAL. *******. HELL. FANDOM.

I don't think I've ever seen anything so idiotic typed out on a screen for a long time. This needs to stop. Something has to be done. If they can't even see the blatant stupidity of something like this, then they don't deserve people like Kep and Assalt. That is a higher level of idiotic then I've seen for a while.
 
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