Movie 12 Gogeta and Janemba scaling in regards to Buuhan's tier 2 feat

[Omegas03]

so here it was accepted that Buuhan's ripping wall through dimensions wasn't merely an environmental destruction ability but done via Buuhan's own AP.

which means now we have to discuss which characters scale to this feat via being above or at least relative to Buuhan.

I am proposing upgrades to:

Movie 12 Gogeta (he stomped Janemba plus seeing as most media, guides and videogames think that Gogeta and Vegito are comparable; Gogeta should scale to him too).

Super Janemba (is stronger than Hirudegarn, who is relative to Kid Buu fight SSJ3 Goku who is stronger than Buuhan).

Due to scan above Toei seems to regard Movie 12 and Movie 13 Goku as the same, which means Fat Janemba would scale to this too

Proposed changes are that both Janemba keys end scaling up to 2-C as well as Gogeta's Fusion Reborn key.

Supporting evidence

 

[Ped2018]

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I agree

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

I agree

My ningen the discussion hasn’t started…

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

I'll just copy my 3-B thread's affected list

Spoiler: Stronger than Buuhan

• Son Goku (Toei)
• Son Goku (Dragon Ball GT)
• Hirudegarn (2nd Key)
• South Kaioshin
• Dai Kaioshin (Toei)
• Vegeta (Dragon Ball GT)
• Uub (Dragon Ball GT)
• Trunks (Dragon Ball GT)
• Pan (Dragon Ball GT)
• Ledgic
• Baby
• General Rilldo
• Commander Nezi
• Hell Fighter 17
• Bizu
• Natt
• Ribet
• Super 17
• Oceanus Shenron
• Nuova Shenron
• Eis Shenron
• Future Warrior
• Demigra
• Kid Buu (Super Dragon Ball Heroes)
• Survivors (Dragon Ball: The Breakers)

Spoiler: Downscales from Buuhan

• Vegeta (Toei) (Last Key)
• Tapion
• Hirudegarn (1st Key)

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

I just realized there’s not gonna be much downscaling this time since it’s Buuhan instead of Kid Buu lol so a lot of people upscale

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

We're allowed to edit the profiles already and its clear who scales

Just edit this to be about characters who could scale to this, like Movie 12 Gogeta

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

My ningen the discussion hasn’t started…

really lol

 

[Omegas03]

Done

We're allowed to edit the profiles already and its clear who scales

Just edit this to be about characters who could scale to this, like Movie 12 Gogeta

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Toei Broly is definitely not scaling to this

Janemba was completely toying with Super Saiyan 3 Goku so he should not be restricted to Galaxy level. If him being stronger than Hirudegarn is valid, then yeah he scales

 

[Omegas03]

Yeah I don't think Broly scales but I've seen ppl making a case for him being above Buuhan or even fusion tier so I put him just in case

I gotta find scans for Janemba though

 

[BlastX]

Man the anime really did Ultimate Buu dirty

Anyways I agree.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

The same statement that puts Janemba above Hirudegarn puts him as the strongest movie villain, with Hirudegarn as the second strongest, so yeah (Rip Broly)

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Super Buu already downscales from 3-B which is now 2-C so there's no need to discuss him and Buutenks

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Medeus, stated that Janemba scales Majin Buu, due to it being directly mentioned in the movie that Janemba was stronger than him.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Medeus, stated that Janemba scales Majin Buu, due to it being directly mentioned in the movie that Janemba was stronger than him.

Chronologically speaking, Goku was referring to Innocent Buu, who's currently 4-B, soooo

 

[Omegas03]

The same statement that puts Janemba above Hirudegarn puts him as the strongest movie villain, with Hirudegarn as the second strongest, so yeah (Rip Broly)

Ok this should be enough evidence that Gogeta and Janemba scale then.

Super Buu already downscales from 3-B which is now 2-C so there's no need to discuss him and Buutenks

I saw several people discussing it in the original thread so I didn't know for sure.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Chronologically speaking, Goku was referring to Innocent Buu, who's currently 4-B, soooo

I don't think that's it, when Majin Buu is mentioned I think it is in general, since Goku saw Buuhan's power during the fusion with Vegito, there is no basis for this statement to be referred only to Buu fat

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

I saw several people discussing it in the original thread so I didn't know for sure.

Well you should take it out

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

I don't think that's it, when Majin Buu is mentioned I think it is in general, since Goku saw Buuhan's power during the fusion with Vegito, there is no basis for this statement to be referred only to Buu fat

Buuhan didn't exist yet

Super Buu, however, did, and he downscales from 2-C

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Buuhan didn't exist yet

Super Buu, however, did, and he downscales from 2-C

Now that I remembered that, how could I forget that. But anyway Janemba climbs with it and Gogeta too

 

[Omegas03]

Updated the OP I think I haven't forgot anyone. just need staff approval on this one I think

 

[Eseseso]

Shouldn't Toei Super Buu (and Toei Gohan if he ever gets a profile) downscale as well?

Moreso Gohan since Buuhan is literally Gohan + Super Buu and Gohan clapped Super Buu.

Actually, since Buutenks >= Toei Gohan, Super Buu should be about 1/2 of Gohan and be somewhere between 1/4 and 1/2 of Buuhan's 2-C power.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Shouldn't Toei Super Buu (and Toei Gohan if he ever gets a profile) downscale as well?

Moreso Gohan since Buuhan is literally Gohan + Super Buu and Gohan clapped Super Buu.

Actually, since Buutenks >= Toei Gohan, Super Buu should be about 1/2 of Gohan and be somewhere between 1/4 and 1/2 of Buuhan's 2-C power.

Buu's profile got updated already

 

[AguilaR202]

I don't think that's it, when Majin Buu is mentioned I think it is in general, since Goku saw Buuhan's power during the fusion with Vegito, there is no basis for this statement to be referred only to Buu fat

Goku experiences Buuhans power firsthand and whilst being Vegito.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Goku experiences Buuhans power firsthand and whilst being Vegito.

Buuhan. Did not. Exist. At that point in time.

 

[Quasar002]

If janemba is the strongest villain in the movies, then he should take ps to 2-C, and gogeta the same way.

 

[SSJGeminiJJ]

Toei Z Vegeta scaling to a 3-B/2-C key isn't it. He was getting violated by a toying around Kid Buu. And I still have no idea why we just assume Buu's absorptions are addition when Buutenks is considered dimensions beyond Super Buu. The only Z Anime 2-C characters should be Buuhan, Buutenks, Kid Buu, and SSJ3 Goku.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

The biggest thing for Vegeta's 3-B/2-C key is his "Was able to form a barrier that stopped one of Hirudegarn's attacks but collapsed immediately afterwards"

 

[SSJGeminiJJ]

Yeah that part's fine, but this part should be removed entirely imo.

(Fought and defeated perfect clones[5] of Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks and Piccolo with Super Saiyan. Managed to delay Kid Buu.[

 

[omegabronic]

Toei Z Vegeta scaling to a 3-B/2-C key isn't it. He was getting violated by a toying around Kid Buu. And I still have no idea why we just assume Buu's absorptions are addition when Buutenks is considered dimensions beyond Super Buu. The only Z Anime 2-C characters should be Buuhan, Buutenks, Kid Buu, and SSJ3 Goku.

hirudegarn as well

 

[SSJGeminiJJ]

Sorry if my wording was misleading, by Toei Z I had only anime Vegeta in mind. I have 0 issue with Movie 13 Vegeta having a 2-C key.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Toei Z Vegeta scaling to a 3-B/2-C key isn't it. He was getting violated by a toying around Kid Buu. And I still have no idea why we just assume Buu's absorptions are addition when Buutenks is considered dimensions beyond Super Buu. The only Z Anime 2-C characters should be Buuhan, Buutenks, Kid Buu, and SSJ3 Goku.

Save it for another thread. This is about how Janemba and Gogeta scale

 

[Omegas03]

Toei Z Vegeta scaling to a 3-B/2-C key isn't it. He was getting violated by a toying around Kid Buu. And I still have no idea why we just assume Buu's absorptions are addition when Buutenks is considered dimensions beyond Super Buu. The only Z Anime 2-C characters should be Buuhan, Buutenks, Kid Buu, and SSJ3 Goku.

HONESTLY the Toei Buu Saga scaling is a whole mess, Goku and Vegeta scaling to the 2-C feat excluding SSJ3 for Goku is definitely debatable.

(Especially when Good Buu is most likely still stronger than SSJ2 Vegeta at the end but oh well)

Plus Base Saiyans being > SSJ3 Gotenks and Mystic Gohan even post fusion is definitely BS too

 

[Omegas03]

not to mention, Toei Cell profile's GT tab needs to be updated too as he scales above Buu.

 

[Eseseso]

Isn't SSJ Goku at the end of the Buu Saga implied to be above Kid Buu?

 

[SSJGeminiJJ]

HONESTLY the Toei Buu Saga scaling is a whole mess, Goku and Vegeta scaling to the 2-C feat excluding SSJ3 for Goku is definitely debatable.

(Especially when Good Buu is most likely still stronger than SSJ2 Vegeta at the end but oh well)

Plus Base Saiyans being > SSJ3 Gotenks and Mystic Gohan even post fusion is definitely BS too

Completely agree. Honestly I straight up vehemently disagree with any of them but SSJ1-SSJ3 Goku (Kid Buu fight) scaling to 2-C and I don't believe anyone scales to him, even as SSJ1.

 

[Eseseso]

Completely agree. Honestly I straight up vehemently disagree with any of them but SSJ1-SSJ3 Goku (Kid Buu fight) scaling to 2-C and I don't believe anyone scales to him, even as SSJ1.

Makes sense to me.

 

[AwkguyDB]

SS2 Goku was doing great against a Kid Buu that already had the “strongest Buu” statements so I believe he should downscale and we already know he was stronger than Vegeta period so.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Deal with that in another thread because the point of this thread is to upgrade Janemba and Gogeta