Janemba definitive edition

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Janemba was a being of pure evil created in the explosion of the soul purifying machine, an accident caused by the irresponsibility of a young ogre responsible for watching over it. With the explosion of this machine, the young ogre ended up absorbing all evil thoughts, transforming himself into Janemba.

Said in the work itself that Janemba is thoughts of evil

Nota: "Janemba" (ジャネンバ) " significa "Ondas de Maus Pensamentos".

According to Hermes name pun guide, the name "Janemba" comes from "jaaku na nenba", which translates as "evil thought wave".

Guide sort of confirms that Janemba is the evil thoughts of all souls purifies by the washer of souls and Hermes compares to movie mentioning

Source

In the movie there is a mention citing that Janemba came from the evil Ki of souls

@Executor_N0 mentioned that Ki can mean many things

"Ki in the literal sense can mean mood, spirit, feelings, thoughts and many other things."

Fonte

In the Brazilian translation, evil thoughts are used (we are not based on the Brazilian translation, it is just to give more weight to things) which we agree, the Brazilian translation makes a lot of sense to what Janemba and what he represents.



Out of respect for Janemba, we have a guide also mentioning that Janemba is part of all evil ki



その波紋を通り抜け、ジャネンバの腕は悟空に攻撃を加えていく!
Passing through ripples, Janemba's arm attacks Goku!
"波紋" literally means ripples

しかも、 悟空のいる場所めがけて、寸分の狂いもなく見舞われて来るのだ。
Furthermore, he aims at Goku's location without a second thought.

悪の気が充満した、この世界すべてが、すでにジャネンバの一部なのか!?
Filled with Evil Ki, is that entire world already a part of Janemba?

Again, the term used here is "悪の気" (Aku no Ki)

In regards to being a part of Janemba, it's "一部な" that is literally "a part" or just "one part"

source of this translation

Another guide mentions that Janemba is formed by evil Which/ can mean evil from such being or evil thoughts





The guidebooks/magazines are just to give more weight here about Janemba's existence!

Done in question, Janemba was molding every other world with his manipulation of reality and distorting all laws and order, it was even affecting the dimension where Pikkon and Goku were fighting which is on the big Kaio planet.

https://imgur.com/a/hCX36AK

( Toei cosmology is accepted as 2-C right here )

Well, what am I proposing?

Low 2-C for Janemba with scaled reality manipulation, abstract existence, and that's about it.

Agrees: @LephyrTheRevanchist ( low 2-C , and disagrees with Janemba's abstract existence), @Stryker861, @Nullflowerblush ( low 2-C, disagrees with abstract existence), @speedster352, @Quasar002, @godofice, @ God900, @The_2nd_Existential_Seed

Disagree:


Neutral: @Torrus_Silvèr, @omegabronic, and @Hasty12345

 

[Quasar002]

Janemba was a being of pure evil created in the explosion of the soul purifying machine, an accident caused by the irresponsibility of a young ogre responsible for watching over it. With the explosion of this machine, the young ogre ended up absorbing all evil thoughts, transforming himself into Janemba.

Said in the work itself that Janemba is thoughts of evil

Nota: "Janemba" (ジャネンバ) " significa "Ondas de Maus Pensamentos".

According to Hermes name pun guide, the name "Janemba" comes from "jaaku na nenba", which translates as "evil thought wave".



Guide sort of confirms that Janemba is the evil thoughts of all souls purifies by the washer of souls and Hermes compares to movie mentioning
Source

In the movie there is a mention citing that Janemba came from the evil Ki of souls

@Executor_N0 mentioned that Ki can mean many things

"Ki in the literal sense can mean mood, spirit, feelings, thoughts and many other things."

Fonte

In the Brazilian translation, evil thoughts are used (we are not based on the Brazilian translation, it is just to give more weight to things) which we agree, the Brazilian translation makes a lot of sense to what Janemba and what he represents.



Well, we also have several guides or magazines supporting being evil thoughts or evil ideas.

Out of respect for Janemba, we have a guide also mentioning that Janemba is part of all evil souls

Janemba's arm passes through the ripples and attacks into the sword of Goku, the sword of Goku, and into his mouth! Moreover, it was aimed at the spot where Goku was, without missing a beat. The world is coming. Is this whole world, filled with the spirit of evil, already a part of Janemba?



The guidebooks/magazines are just to give more weight here about Janemba's existence!

Resurrection (raised all the dead on earth)




Janemba low 2-C, he warped all of the afterlife, passively sustaining it and nullifying its order, creating chaos in the living world ( Toei cosmology is accepted as 2-C right here )

https://imgur.com/a/hCX36AK

Well, what am I proposing?

Low 2-C for Janemba with scaled reality manipulation, resurrection (raised everyone from the dead, including Frieza and the villains from other movies), abstract existence, and that's about it.

2-C through manipulation of reality makes sense. I don't know if that scales to ki as well. About abstract existence I'll wait for more arguments.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Just to let you know it’d be Low 2-C via Reality Warping & Law Manipulation (Not Reality Manipulation)

But yeah I agree with AE since he’s an evil thoughts/ideas and a evil spirit but he should have Avatar Creation for possessing others with his evil ideas as well

 

[Quasar002]

Just to let you know it’d be Low 2-C via Reality Warping & Law Manipulation (Not Reality Manipulation)

But yeah I agree with AE since he’s an evil thoughts/ideas and a evil spirit but he should have Avatar Creation for possessing others with his evil ideas as well

Is Janemba from games a better complement to reinforce the idea of him being abstract as well?

 

[God900]

Why not 2-C?

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Why not 2-C?

Only shown to warp afterlife. No kaioshin realm nor living world.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Only shown to warp afterlife. No kaioshin realm nor living world.

Exactly, do you agree?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Is Janemba from games a better complement to reinforce the idea of him being abstract as well?

Only shown to warp afterlife. No kaioshin realm nor living world.

Mind if I use some mentions from the games referring to Janemba being evil ideas or evil thoughts to support abstract existence?

Of the games, Janemba is even used in the movie, with some differences, sometimes even absorbed by Kid Buu.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I don't know about abstract existence, given that, essentially, you are using his name as basis (since the stuff about "evil ki" would refer in-verse to his energy). The rest I don't see a problem (for now)

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Mind if I use some mentions from the games referring to Janemba being evil ideas or evil thoughts to support abstract existence?

Of the games, Janemba is even used in the movie, with some differences, sometimes even absorbed by Kid Buu.

Non canon.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I don't know about abstract existence, given that, essentially, you are using his name as basis (since the stuff about "evil ki" would refer in-verse to his energy). The rest I don't see a problem (for now)

Basically that squeezed from of souls 's evil energy (which is in this case Ki of evil) Janemba is basically evil in the form of energy.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

2-C through manipulation of reality makes sense. I don't know if that scales to ki as well. About abstract existence I'll wait for more arguments.

Since it's elaborated that his energy is taking over the afterlife, and even shown that through Gogeta's purification immediately fixed his warping, it should scale imo.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Basically that squeezed from Janemba's evil energy (which is in this case Ki of evil) Janemba is basically evil in the form of energy.

That's an extrapolation not immediately supported imo.

 

[Stryker861]

I think low 2c works

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

That's an extrapolation not immediately supported imo.

Exactly here, all "evil" is washed out of the soul, the film supports this! Janemba is evil from the evil thoughts of spirits, which can also be represented by evil Ki

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I always interpreted it as the evil corrupted and empowered the oni. So without a proper vessel, the evil does nothing (and janemba himself wouldn't be the physical incarnation of the amalgamation of evil souls, moreso a corrupted and possessed being).

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I always interpreted it as the evil corrupted and empowered the oni. So without a proper vessel, the evil does nothing (and janemba himself wouldn't be the physical incarnation of the amalgamation of evil souls, moreso a corrupted and possessed being).

About the tier and resurrection do you agree?

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

About the tier and resurrection do you agree?

Yessir

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Nota: "Janemba" (ジャネンバ) " significa "Ondas de Maus Pensamentos".

According to Hermes name pun guide, the name "Janemba" comes from "jaaku na nenba", which translates as "evil thought wave".

A nominal fallacy???

In the movie there is a mention citing that Janemba came from the evil Ki of souls

Ki mention #1.

@Executor_N0 mentioned that Ki can mean many things

"Ki in the literal sense can mean mood, spirit, feelings, thoughts and many other things."

"... But it has a well-defined meaning in Dragon Ball. I'm unsure why the Brazilian translation decided to translate that as thoughts instead of using Ki, as they normally just left Ki as is."

悪の気が充満した、この世界すべてが、すでにジャネンバの一部なのか!?
Filled with Evil Ki, is that entire world already a part of Janemba?

Again, the term used here is "悪の気" (Aku no Ki)

Ki mention #2.

Another guide mentions that Janemba is formed by evil Which/ can mean evil from such being or evil thoughts

Ki mention #3.

Nothing in the OP even remotely suggests that Janemba is the abstract form of evil itself. The film, the databooks presented in the OP, and the Daizenshuu 7 all make one thing very clear: Janemba is the Psychedelic Oni after being mutated by evil Ki. There is nothing abstract about its existence, as its very existence is tied to that of a very corporeal entity.

Everything else is fine, though.

 

[speedster352]

I agree with the op

 

[Hasty12345]

Why low 2-C? Where’s the evidence he was warping the timeline of the afterlife?

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

-snip-

damn straight

 

[speedster352]

A nominal fallacy???

Ki mention #1.

"... But it has a well-defined meaning in Dragon Ball. I'm unsure why the Brazilian translation decided to translate that as thoughts instead of using Ki, as they normally just left Ki as is."

Ki mention #2.

Ki mention #3.

Nothing in the OP even remotely suggests that Janemba is the abstract form of evil itself. The film, the databooks presented in the OP, and the Daizenshuu 7 all make one thing very clear: Janemba is the Psychedelic Oni after being mutated by evil Ki. There is nothing abstract about its existence, as its very existence is tied to that of a very corporeal entity.

Everything else is fine, though.

I may not be too knowledgeable about this but aren’t their data books saying that Janemba is just the concept or thought of evil itself?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Why low 2-C? Where’s the evidence he was warping the timeline of the afterlife?

Quote is on CRT, please read before commenting, thank you very much!

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Couldn't you use the statement from Goku implicating Fat Janemba could destroy the Macrocasm ?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

I may not be too knowledgeable about this but aren’t their data books saying that Janemba is just the concept or thought of evil itself?

Law Manipulation equals total control, I guess?

 

[Hasty12345]

Quote is on CRT, please read before commenting, thank you very much!

I did read it, and the only thing that even touches in low 2-C is you making a claim with no evidence, and if the evidence is in the OP I can’t find it because the formatting isn’t the best.

you spend the majority of the time talking about AE

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Couldn't you use the statement from Goku implicating Fat Janemba could destroy the Macrocasm ?

There is no mention of this in the English subtitle, so I will use it to shape the entire afterlife, but if you have it, send it there.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I did read it, and the only thing that even touches in low 2-C is you making a claim with no evidence, and if the evidence is in the OP I can’t find it because the formatting isn’t the best.

you spend the majority of the time talking about AE

It's not bad formatting, just pay a little more attention and you'll find it good, I'll put it as neutral and that's it.

 

[omegabronic]

Janemba was a being of pure evil created in the explosion of the soul purifying machine, an accident caused by the irresponsibility of a young ogre responsible for watching over it. With the explosion of this machine, the young ogre ended up absorbing all evil thoughts, transforming himself into Janemba.

Said in the work itself that Janemba is thoughts of evil

Nota: "Janemba" (ジャネンバ) " significa "Ondas de Maus Pensamentos".

According to Hermes name pun guide, the name "Janemba" comes from "jaaku na nenba", which translates as "evil thought wave".



Guide sort of confirms that Janemba is the evil thoughts of all souls purifies by the washer of souls and Hermes compares to movie mentioning

Source

In the movie there is a mention citing that Janemba came from the evil Ki of souls

@Executor_N0 mentioned that Ki can mean many things

"Ki in the literal sense can mean mood, spirit, feelings, thoughts and many other things."

Fonte

In the Brazilian translation, evil thoughts are used (we are not based on the Brazilian translation, it is just to give more weight to things) which we agree, the Brazilian translation makes a lot of sense to what Janemba and what he represents.



Out of respect for Janemba, we have a guide also mentioning that Janemba is part of all evil ki



その波紋を通り抜け、ジャネンバの腕は悟空に攻撃を加えていく!
Passing through ripples, Janemba's arm attacks Goku!
"波紋" literally means ripples

しかも、 悟空のいる場所めがけて、寸分の狂いもなく見舞われて来るのだ。
Furthermore, he aims at Goku's location without a second thought.

悪の気が充満した、この世界すべてが、すでにジャネンバの一部なのか!?
Filled with Evil Ki, is that entire world already a part of Janemba?

Again, the term used here is "悪の気" (Aku no Ki)

In regards to being a part of Janemba, it's "一部な" that is literally "a part" or just "one part"

source of this translation

Another guide mentions that Janemba is formed by evil Which/ can mean evil from such being or evil thoughts

https://imgur.com/a/L0W7KwK



The guidebooks/magazines are just to give more weight here about Janemba's existence!

Resurrection (raised all the dead on earth)




Janemba low 2-C, he warped all of the afterlife, passively sustaining it and nullifying its order, creating chaos in the living world ( Toei cosmology is accepted as 2-C right here )

https://imgur.com/a/hCX36AK

Well, what am I proposing?

Low 2-C for Janemba with scaled reality manipulation, resurrection (raised everyone from the dead, including Frieza and the villains from other movies), abstract existence, and that's about it.

Dude you have to stop using the brazilian translations, like, use direct translations instead

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Dude you have to stop using the brazilian translations, like, use direct translations instead

Omega, just say whether you agree or not, but thank you very much for the mention.

 

[Hasty12345]

It's not bad formatting, just pay a little more attention and you'll find it good, I'll put it as neutral and that's it.

I don’t see anything in that imgur link that suggests what you’re claiming

 

[omegabronic]

What is the evidence that janemba was warping time as well?

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

I genuinely don't see the issue in using the dub if it's uncontradicted.

 

[omegabronic]

I genuinely don't see the issue in using the dub if it's uncontradicted.

The sub says somethinf completely different

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

It's not bad formatting, just pay a little more attention and you'll find it good, I'll put it as neutral and that's it.

Muy guy, just add the context from the movie.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Muy guy, just add the context from the movie.

Right, but the image of the scene is not showing, but when you enter the link it works

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I don’t see anything in that imgur link that suggests what you’re claiming

For an explanation: His corruption affected the entirety of the otherworld, as it went from Hell up to Grand Kai's planet (which sits atop Heaven). So he's affecting a Low 2-C realm passively (and was threatening to spread to the living world if not stopped).

That's in his base form, who also can briefly fight Ssj3 Goku who made the entire afterlife tremble with his ki, until he transformed and stomped on Ssj3 Goku.

 

[Torrus_Silvèr]

Sorry Luffy .

But the daizenshuu states that Janemba Sealed Enma, and that this fact is what caused the laws of the living world and afterlife to go hay wire.

Janemba is not warping the afterlife. The absence of Enma's control or him being sealed is the cause, not Janemba himself.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986307443111899146/1095850192898629692/Screenshot_20230413_000958.jpg

 

[omegabronic]

For an explanation: His corruption affected the entirety of the otherworld, as it went from Hell up to Grand Kai's planet (which sits atop Heaven). So he's affecting a Low 2-C realm passively (and was threatening to spread to the living world if not stopped).

Well, the realm itself is low 2-C, but what is the proof that he was affecting the entire past pressent and future of the realm?

That's in his base form, who also can briefly fight Ssj3 Goku who made the entire afterlife tremble with his ki, until he transformed and stomped on Ssj3 Goku.

See that all makes me think an high 3-A rating seems more reasonable