most skilled swordsman continued

[Robo432343]

continuation of this thread but for swordsman

1. Zhong Yue (Feats)
2. Ji Ning (Desolate Chaos) (Feats)
3. Characters from Arifureta (Kouki Amanogawa, Shizuku Yaegashi) (Feats)
4. Sasaki Kojirou (Record of Ragnarok) (Feats)
5. Wilhelm Van Astrea (Feats)
6. Goemon Ishikawa XIII (Feats)
7.
8.
9.
10.

 

[Robo432343]

@CastoriceTheFifth

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

1. Yoriichi Tsugikuni
2. Tanjiro Kamado
3. Gyomei Himejima
4. Giyu Tomioka
5. Sanemi Shinazugawa
6. Muichiro Tokito
7. Mitsuri Kanroji
8. Obanai Iguro
9. Kyojuro Rengoku
10. Tengen Uzui
11. Shinobu Kocho
12. Zenitsu Agatsuma
13. Kanao Tsuyuri
14. Inosuke Hahibira
15. Murata
16. Sabito
17. Makomo
18. Genya Shinazugawa
19. Mihawk
20. Zoro

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Oh boy! Something I can use to fill out my skill catalogue!

 

[Robo432343]

1. Yoriichi Tsugikuni
2. Tanjiro Kamado
3. Gyomei Himejima
4. Giyu Tomioka
5. Sanemi Shinazugawa
6. Muichiro Tokito
7. Mitsuri Kanroji
8. Obanai Iguro
9. Kyojuro Rengoku
10. Tengen Uzui
11. Shinobu Kocho
12. Zenitsu Agatsuma
13. Kanao Tsuyuri
14. Inosuke Hahibira
15. Murata
16. Sabito
17. Makomo
18. Genya Shinazugawa
19. Mihawk
20. Zoro

 

[Robo432343]

When y’all gonna realize end of series tanjiro is more skilled than yoriichi

 

[Robo432343]

(His skills transcend time, space and existence, leading him to a realm of nothingness with no time or space, devoid of thought and feeling, beyond the rift of reality and dreams. In this realm, which is explicitly not a pruned or parallel world, every moment his sword clashes with Musashi's, infinite possibilities would play out and infinity and zero clash endlessly. Kojiro's principle of Infinity is such that not even the Buddha and the Gods, higher dimensional beings who transcend space-time and view it all as a book, could escape it

 

[WeeklyBattles]

And then you realize Musashi manages to be even more skilled than this

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Like unironically you would be very, VERY hard pressed to find someone more skilled in pure swordsmanship than [DATA LOST] Musashi in any work of fiction

 

[WeeklyBattles]

thats js ridiculous

@CastoriceTheFifth yoriichi has competition

Musashi Miyamoto (Baki)

Musashi Miyamoto was once Japan's greatest swordsman and is the country's most renowned legend four hundred years later. Sometime after the final battle between Yujiro and Baki, Musashi was resurrected through scientific cloning and supernatural soul transfer. After his resurrection, Musashi...

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Wrong Musashi

Musashi Miyamoto (Fate)

Saber is a Saber-class Servant and an ally of Chaldea that drifts across parallel worlds. She appears during the Shimosa Subspecies Parallel World and the Eternally Frozen Empire - Anastasia. Her True Name is Musashi Miyamoto, with her formal name being Shinmen Musashi-no-Kami Fujiwara no...

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[CastoriceTheFifth]

Artoria Vs Altria when

 

[Phoenks]

Is the yorichii thing a joke? He isn't even close to the best... at least looking at the profile


Anyway this list is basically just


1. China man #1
2. China man #2
3. China man #3


And so on .

 

[Phoenks]

most china man i know don't use swords
like swords aren't really their main thing

Lol most of the OP china men are also swordsmen.

Also does it even matter if it is there main thing? If they are more skilled than the other swordsmen on this list while using swords, then they are simply a better swordsmen, even if that is not their main weapon.

 

[Shey]

This thread is missing John Kagurabachi

 

[Robo432343]

Lol most of the OP china men are also swordsmen.

Also does it even matter if it is there main thing? If they are more skilled than the other swordsmen on this list while using swords, then they are simply a better swordsmen, even if that is not their main weapon.

what i mean is most of the chinamen i see are just High 1-A dudes with an absurd amount of hax, its hard to find any skill stuff with swords
do you have any examples?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

what i mean is most of the chinamen i see are just High 1-A dudes with an absurd amount of hax, its hard to find any skill stuff with swords
do you have any examples?

The one guy from Masadaverse who only has a sword and no powers but hunted and killed all life in the multiverse, including gods and down to every single microbe in existence, and is so skilled that fate itself cannot prevent him from winning a swordfight

 

[WeeklyBattles]

To quote Creaturemaster:

"Soujirou Mibu: Is a Gudou God, meaning the strongest wish he had ever possessed began to alter his personal universe with his will. Due to his wish being entirely self-focused ("I want to be a blade"), it instead altered his own body, causing him to slowly overcome the natural limits on skill placed on the body. Can sense higher dimensional movement outside the laws of physics through sheer intuition. Has footwork fast enough to travel instantaneously, slipping into the blind spot of an infinitely-fast opponent. Got so fired up that his killing intent threatened to cut the universe in half if he didn't chill out. His iaijutsu is so instant that he has beheaded people the moment he considered the idea of killing them, before that thought had finished coming into existence within his neurons. After attaining godhood, he merely appeared to slightly shake his sword handle, but had actually cut hundreds of millions of times within a timespan of exactly 0, after which he contemplated the paradox of his speed clearly being infinite due to the timeframe, but somehow clearly not as he could not manage more than that many slashes. At his ultimate state, his blade surpassed the limitations of such descriptions as speed, order of operations, and skill itself, as his infinite draw speed became truly infinite, and replaced every piece of space in the universe with the edge of his blade."

"Muzan Magsarion: from the same verse as Soujirou Mibu, so bear with me. Not only did he train so hard that his training grounds became a death wasteland anathemic to all life, even higher dimensional life, to the point that omnipotent gods were unable to heal the land. Not only did he become so skilled that nobody, not even the omnipotent gods who could change what skill means, and not even people like Soujirou Mibu, even come close. Not only did he match and surpass his brother, who was granted the divine right to win every duel and master every skill by the tier 0 source of everything...

He killed everyone. And I do not mean that in any kind of "oh he life-wiped the earth"

By the time of the duel with that brother of his, the multiverse was empty.

This being the Dies Irae multiverse, with some of the most overpowered characters ever conceivably written.

From the higher-d gods, to the stars themselves, to individual bacteria, he individually hunted and killed everything."

 

[Eden5Zeroo]

knight run garou is nice, casual city/town level feats and planet/big planet + ftl speeds depending on the char, cool hax

blood is so skilled that he can create dimensional interference patterns just by moving his sword and he doesnt even need to see them

 

[MyriadOfHeartsSpiritualFlowerGarden]

Skill is even quantified here lol.

Idk does lore stuff count, cause by wuxia or even xianxia standards and fiction in general it's kinda hard to find someone like Yoriichi, it's a bit vague since bro just made the power system of his verse out of nothing (with no reference points to boot.), revolutionized sword combat with techniques and knowledge far surpassing the accumulated wisdom of a 500 year old swordsmen organization that stayed standing despite fighting nigh unkillable opponents, and made techniques and basics that remained unchanged for centuries, him being basically an unreachable sun by symbolism and plot non whithstanding.

I do think he deserves a spot there just based off of that, but idk the rest to really judge, Baki Musashi isn't really competition tho...

Edit: all at as a 17 year old novice who barely held a sword for like, a couple of weeks or smth.

 

[Robo432343]

Skill is even quantified here lol.

Idk does lore stuff count, cause by wuxia or even xianxia standards and fiction in general it's kinda hard to find someone like Yoriichi, it's a bit vague since bro just made the power system of his verse out of nothing (with no reference points to boot.), revolutionized sword combat with techniques and knowledge far surpassing the accumulated wisdom of a 500 year old swordsmen organization that stayed standing despite fighting nigh unkillable opponents, and made techniques and basics that remained unchanged for centuries, him being basically an unreachable sun by symbolism and plot non whithstanding.

I do think he deserves a spot there just based off of that, but idk the rest to really judge, Baki Musashi isn't really competition tho...

Edit: all at as a 17 year old novice who barely held a sword for like, a couple of weeks or smth.

you want me to put this in his feats section? look at the OP again

@Phoenks you were right about the chinamen

 

[MyriadOfHeartsSpiritualFlowerGarden]

you want me to put this in his feats section? look at the OP again

@Phoenks you were right about the chinamen

Sure?

Lol, imma try to make it better later when I get time...maybe

 

[Robo432343]

aight

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Wrong Musashi

Musashi Miyamoto (Fate)

Saber is a Saber-class Servant and an ally of Chaldea that drifts across parallel worlds. She appears during the Shimosa Subspecies Parallel World and the Eternally Frozen Empire - Anastasia. Her True Name is Musashi Miyamoto, with her formal name being Shinmen Musashi-no-Kami Fujiwara no...

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Sasaki almost lost to Zoro in skill tho.

Roronoa Zoro vs Sasaki Kojiro

Roronoa Zoro Base Sasaki Kojiro Speed equalized

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[First_Witch]

knight run garou is nice, casual city/town level feats and planet/big planet + ftl speeds depending on the char, cool hax

blood is so skilled that he can create dimensional interference patterns just by moving his sword and he doesnt even need to see them

WILD KNIGHT RUN READER SPOTTED???

 

[Greatsage13th]

Sasaki almost lost to Zoro in skill tho.

Roronoa Zoro vs Sasaki Kojiro

Roronoa Zoro Base Sasaki Kojiro Speed equalized

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Excuse me ****q!?

 

[First_Witch]

Conceptual skill is still going on, my god...

 

[Phoenks]

what i mean is most of the chinamen i see are just High 1-A dudes with an absurd amount of hax, its hard to find any skill stuff with swords
do you have any examples?

Are we going to disqualify high tier people even if their lower tiers have more quantifiable stuff?

Anyway, the first guy that came to mind is Zhong Yue.

Zhong Yue

Zhong Yue is the main character of the Chinese novel Rise of Humanity. He was just a simple member of the small and insignificant Zhong Shan tribe of the Great Wilderness. After a lucky encounter, he acquired a Lamp that holds the Little Flame known as Xin Huo. From this moment on, his destiny...

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Even if you just read his page and intelligence section, you will see why he absolutely clears pretty much anyone from any other media.

He can predict space and time across decades for every piece of matter in the entire solar system. He can deduce every single thing about you at a glance. Use 1000 sword skills simultaneously and come up with his own styles. Has standard muscle movements and physical prediction capabilities in order to form hundreds of millions of simulations of enemies in his mind (RoR Kojiro and Re:Zero Cecilus on steroids). Which are simulations which themselves can predict changes across hundreds of millions of different martial arts techniques and skills. Has such precise body control that he can attack and defend with every individual hair on his skin.

Must I say more? Good luck with that Yorichii

 

[Grand_Astartes]

I was going to suggest Reid Astrea, but these guys from Chinese novels are so cracked in martial skill that I don't even know if there's a comparison lmao.

Edit: I would suggest some Ergen characters but none of their profiles seemingly display their crazy skill tbh

 

[Phoenks]

I didn't even realize bro edited the list to already have Zhong Yue lmao.

 

[Epiccheev]

Where is "Yujiro with a sword"???? and the hated goat Ikki Kurogane (nevermind he got deleted for too much glazing)

 

[Zabazab]

I was going to suggest Reid Astrea

Do Wilhelm instead

 

[Epiccheev]

The author while writing that::

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

The these 3 are ridiculous and unconventional swordsmen

Nanami Yasuri

Nanami Yasuri is Shichika Yasuri's elder sister and the seventh opponent he faces for the Deviant Blades. Originally intended to succeed Mutsue Yasuri as the head of the family, he denied her this right upon realizing that she was too powerful and a dangerous existence for him to raise...

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White (Hoaqin)

Hoaqin was a Slayer candidate of FUG that was sealed in the Hell Express long ago and was originally the tenth Slayer of FUG, one of the 2nd generation of Slayers. Currently, after hundreds of years of his upon his loss against a Zahard Princess of the same family as him, the Arie family, he...

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Juuzou Shishimi

Juuzou Shishimi (獅子巳ししみ 十じゅう蔵ぞう, Shishimi Jūzō?) is UQ Holder's second-strongest member, combining immortality with ever-growing sword skills. This battle-driven warrior lives to challenge himself against powerful opponents, but his story takes a dark turn when Ba'al strips away his moral...

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[Phoenks]

Feats??

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

Just read their profile, do i really have to write a essay about how good they are?

 

[Robo432343]

@Phoenks what do we do about characters who are so skilled it gets to the point where they can slash concept bs (like Reid Astrea and this dude)
idk if it would qualify under these rules or if its hax

Experience, Precision, and Adaptability.

Of course, these are simply the main things to consider when talking of a character's skill. In terms of skill, one must consider things such as Analytical Prediction, Enhanced Senses, Accelerated Development, Acrobatics, etc. But ultimately, one's skill can be measured by evaluating their Experience in combat, their Precision, otherwise known as their ability for micro-control/ability to control and hit targets, and adaptability, which can be summarized as their ability to adapt their skills to new and foreign situations. The Adaptability category should not be mentioned when referring to one's strength development, and should focus strictly on the development of one's technique.

 

[Phoenks]

First Witch blog is not the rules; it is their personal opinion. Truly, these things are pretty subjective and I do not believe in making rules to police skill debating.

That said, my personal opinion is that you should stick to things that are quantifiable when talking about skill.

My only real rules are that a feat has to be:
1. Mathematically/logically possible for a character to perform. (No Reinhard being able to stand inside a dust storm without being hit)
2. Not reliant on the verse power system / magic of any kind. (Slashing concepts is an extension of a verse power system)
3. Quantifiable. There has to be some way to measure it up against others things for reference. Like, being able to slice so precisely that you can cut individual molecules is quantifiable because we can quantify that. Being able to slice so precisely you cut concepts is not. (At least not on its own)

If a verse makes it clear that doing an unquantifiable thing is superior to a quantifiable thing. Such as a series making it clear that cutting a concept is more impressive than cutting molecules, then it can be used for scaling above the quantifiable thing. But just because they scale above that, does not mean it is superior to cutting quantum strings and the like.

I think generally you can scale characters to and above quantifiable things if it makes it clear doing an unquantifiable thing is superior. Though it doesn't really have an affect on skill scaling anyway.

I don't think concept cutting is usable. But it can be used for scaling them if those things are superior to other forms of quantifiable skill in the verse.

 

[First_Witch]

First Witch blog is not the rules; it is their personal opinion. Truly, these things are pretty subjective and I do not believe in making rules to police skill debating.

You say this and yet you share same talking points of my blog. Curious.

I don't think concept cutting is usable. But it can be used for scaling them if those things are superior to other forms of quantifiable skill in the verse.

No grace to the false gods skills

 

[Phoenks]

Idk if you think you invented skill debating or something, but the conclusion I gave is just what I've come up with intuitively when talking on this stuff. I have been at this skill stuff for a while now..

 

[First_Witch]

Idk if you think you invented skill debating or something,

I was implying a joke.

but the conclusion I gave is just what I've come up with intuitively when talking on this stuff.

And that is good.

I have been at this skill stuff for a while now..

So have I

I just found it funny how you are like "Its all Witchs opinion and not binding and all" (Which is currently true and will probably remain true until staff stops ghosting the thread) and then be like it "Here is my opinion" (Basically the same as mine". It reads like youre implying my blog dont matter much (Which is fair), but then say what my blog has been pushing for verbatim.