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Mochi Man Vs. The Red Lightning Dragon

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oooooooooooofffffffffff, okay but like what is katakuri gonna do if laxus just goes supernova? katakuri can't dodge a nuke, the only way he could do something is maybe outrun it but I doubt that, the only other way is if katakuri stops laxus before he nukes but he'd need to off laxus first because laxus doesn't need to do much to blow everything up.
Well for starters he’s way faster, and can see the future so he would know what’s gonna happen. This his awakening, for kata so he would turn the entire environment into mochi before laxus could nuke the place, and just barrage him with a bunch of punches and keep him stuck in place with the mochi, and laxus would get punched over and over pretty much until he dies.
 
Yeah, laxus would obviously endure a lot of these punches since he has almost x10 kata’s AP/Dura but kata would be hitting him with 4.3 gigatons HUNDREDS of times probably thousands or far more, due to how fast he is, which ultimately kills laxus
 
I vote Katakuri, I'll tell you my reasons:

First) Katakuri can consistently see briefly into the future, further enhances with emotion sensing and danger sensing. He can tell exactly what his opponents will do, and act accordingly to take advantage of what he learned and that in a split second, he prevented Luffy from transforming into Gear 4 and rendered most of Luffy's options to nothing, despite Luffy having precognition as well, what is Laxus going to do here?.
Preventing Laxus from making actions likely won't work given he can just tank everything Kuri can throw at him. Laxus can also just respond by dropping several kilometer lightning attacks vaporizing anything Kuri can throw at him anyways.
Second) Let's assume if Laxus lands hits on Katakuri, Katakuri's going to turn into mochi and simply trap him in place aka He can enclose his mochi around Laxus, trapping him, and allowing Katakuri to throw a barrage of punches imbued with Busoshoku either that or he can suffocate him (unlike Luffy, who literally ate Cracker soldiers for 12 hours straight) Laxus can't eat his way out.
Turning into mochi is also a bad idea given Laxus has a passive Lighting Aura around him which electrocutes anything that touches him so trapping him won't work either, so Kuri will just end up vaporizing himself if he tries to tank any of Laxus's attacks with his mochi form or tries to physically attack him.
Third) Katakuri can attack faster since he turned the entire environment into Mochi. The same ground Laxus is standing is made of mochi, Katakuri can make dozens of mochi arms and legs imbued with Busoshoku Haki out of nowhere and throw a brutal barrage of punches to knock Laxus down.
Said attacks won't really matter given a 10x dura advantage plus they just get vapped by his lighting aura anyways


The speed gap also is basically non existent given Laxus massively upscales he can blitz characters at the 42% range in base and is far faster with RLDM.

Laxus can just repeatedly nuke the battle field with multi kilometer bolts of lighting until he catch's Katakuri given anything kuri tries to throw at Laxus is well within Laxus's range of attack
 
Also I think zackra has a really good argument, (also why I didn’t think it would be fair because it’s a ******* 10x AP adv)
 
Preventing Laxus from making actions likely won't work given he can just tank everything Kuri can throw at him. Laxus can also just respond by dropping several kilometer lightning attacks vaporizing
Except, he is not tanking anything, he is literally trapped with no way of escaping from the very beginning of the fight. You are not taking into account that Katakuri starts with Awakening. The entire environment is already made of mochi - the same ground Laxus needs to walk. Contrary to Luffy who has precognition and can fly, Laxus has none of these. Katakuri's mosu donuts are capable of attacking simultaneously. For example, Katakuri makes 20 Donuts around his opponent (instantaneous tho). He throws one single punch, this punch is projected from every single one of these donuts simultaneously with no delay in between. So Laxus's durability is irrelevant, it's a barrage of punches, approximately 1000 punches imbued in Busoshoku Haki, which further amps his punches.


The speed gap also is basically non existent given Laxus massively upscales he can blitz characters at the 42% range in base and is far faster with RLDM.
You do realize that Katakuri is faster than Laxus, and blizted Gear 2 Luffy who scales to Marco, who intercepted Kizaru a man made of light. The speed gap gives Katakuri the option to pin him down, a hand comes out from the ground and traps him, more mochi imbued with Busoshoku Haki will trap him even harder. So let's assume the unlikely, Laxus somehow manages to get out of his mochi and attacks Katakuri. The here is that, Katakuri can evade every single-attack, making it appear as though Laxus's attacks would just be going through him, just like Ajokiji he can control his body to some extent and make him suffocate via Mochi.

Keep in mind he stomped Luffy in combat skills.


Laxus can just repeatedly nuke the battle field with multi kilometer bolts of lighting until he catch's Katakuri given anything kuri tries to throw at Laxus is well within Laxus's range of attack
How is he even going to do that when he is instantly incapacitated? Also Katakuri sees this happening in the future several seconds ahead and just casually prevent him from doing it. Reminder that, Katakuri's observation haki exceeds that of Luffy's and all other precognition users. So, nah this is not happening.
 
Before anyone uses Luffy or Sanji. The only characters to counter or mitigate Katakuri's future sight powers are those who have evolved their Haki to comparable levels: Sanji (confirmed to be specialized in Observation by Oda), and Luffy the latter of which he developed his future sight to eventually match Katakuri
 
Not to mention that katakuris mochi would EASILY hold down laxus.
Class T lifting strength vs Class G
 
yeah.. kata fra..


i dont know if speed equalize will change anything but it's worth giving a shot, because Kata has FS/OH stacked onto his speed advantage..
 
I agree on the future sight points but how exactly is surrounding Laxus with Mochi that he can one shot and destroy on contact supposed to pin him?
 
……… how durable is the Mochi? Because unless it’s durable enough to not be destroyed by Laxus’ lightning, the LS gap means nothing as it can’t actually be applied in th way you want.
 
……… how durable is the Mochi? Because unless it’s durable enough to not be destroyed by Laxus’ lightning, the LS gap means nothing as it can’t actually be applied in th way you want.
Problem is, he will be held down before he could do anything and get barraged before his lightning does anything, it’s literally instantaneous to where he just gets barraged with thousands of punches
 
You are missing the point. The Mochi that touches Laxus will be destroyed. You can’t restrain X with Y when Y has been blown up.
 
You are missing the point. The Mochi that touches Laxus will be destroyed. You can’t restrain X with Y when Y has been blown up.
The entire environment is essentially made out of mochi, in which case he will be getting pummeled regardless even if he isn’t grabbed, in which case while he does get pummeled, he can be grabbed afterwards, I don’t see how the mochi will be destroyed if he’s getting pummeled already
 
What part of passive lightning aura that hits everything that tries to make contact with him did you not understand? The Mochi that tries to come close gets destroyed and Laxus can just fly around and nuke the area for kilometres.
 
I will say 1 thing: Kata's endurance is actually like, the thing he lacks the most out of all physical stats tbh. He doesn't actually take that many hard hits from Luffy and stay standing (at least, comparatively to Luffy) but he's not a slouch anyway. It's hard to have more endurance than Luffy, so it's fair.

What part of passive lightning aura that hits everything that tries to make contact with him did you not understand? The Mochi that tries to come close gets destroyed and Laxus can just fly around and nuke the area for kilometres.
The Mochi scales to Katakuri since well, it's what he attacks with along with his normal punches, pretty obvious. Higher via buso haki (because everyone is).

Now, what exactly happens if he's like, sitting in basically a pool of Mochi? Cause that's what the awakening will do to Laxus. It's what it does to the area, does he just basically have a barrier around him that'll keep him from being hit from like non-haki'd mochi?
 
Think of it like this. An Erza who is relative in AP and Dura to Red Laxus tried to kick him in the face and got electrocuted instantly, a wave of attacks from that comparable Erza got disintegrated by Laxus’ lightning, whenever Erza hits Laxus or gets hit she is electrocuted, if he feels like it, he nukes the area like so or floods it with his omnidirectional lightning. Just in case you missed it in the posts above, Laxus has a near x10 AP advantage, hence the insistence that the Mochi will do nothing.

It was also mentioned that Luffy got passed this via precog and flight. Laxus doesn’t have precog but he certainly has flight.
 
Well... buso haki certainly won't make up for a 10x gap in AP lmao...

But, what does Laxus have against Conqueror's Haki?
 
His will should definitely be strong enough to be able to resist Conq. Haki
 
I think his willpower, to fight for his friends, family and guild should be enough to be, at the very least comparable to Erza's, and could possibly resist Conq. Haki.

But that may or may not just be headcanon
 
His willpower should be stronger than Erza’s since Kyria instantly negged Erza when she attacked her willpower while Laxus was completely unaffected.
 
Think of it like this. An Erza who is relative in AP and Dura to Red Laxus tried to kick him in the face and got electrocuted instantly, a wave of attacks from that comparable Erza got disintegrated by Laxus’ lightning, whenever Erza hits Laxus or gets hit she is electrocuted, if he feels like it, he nukes the area like so or floods it with his omnidirectional lightning. Just in case you missed it in the posts above, Laxus has a near x10 AP advantage, hence the insistence that the Mochi will do nothing.
Lightning is dura neg…
It was also mentioned that Luffy got passed this via precog and flight. Laxus doesn’t have precog but he certainly has flight.
passed what? Luffy’s flight did nothing against katakuri.
 
Preventing Laxus from making actions likely won't work given he can just tank everything Kuri can throw at him. Laxus can also just respond by dropping several kilometer lightning attacks vaporizing anything Kuri can throw at him anyways.
Laxus is not vaporizing haki infused Mochi
Turning into mochi is also a bad idea given Laxus has a passive Lighting Aura around him which electrocutes anything that touches him so trapping him won't work either, so Kuri will just end up vaporizing himself if he tries to tank any of Laxus's attacks with his mochi form or tries to physically attack him.
Stop saying vaporizing… how do you even electrify Mochi? Heat isn’t a problem for katakuri.
Laxus can just repeatedly nuke the battle field with multi kilometer bolts of lighting until he catch's Katakuri given anything kuri tries to throw at Laxus is well within Laxus's range of attack
Kata will see the future and easily counter.
 
It’s Quite durable… luffy could do anything about it… it’s also heat resistant
So Laxus is x10 stronger and has already vaporised stuff comparable to his AP.
Lightning is dura neg…
No, no it isn’t. Not inherently anyway and Laxus’ lightning very clearly destroys things and causes giant explosions when he wants to. It will destroy any Mochi that makes contact with his aura.
Laxus is not vaporizing haki infused Mochi
Why not? He is x10 stronger. x7.5 is already what we accept as enough to one shot on this website.
Stop saying vaporizing…
What’s the issue? Laxus vaped things with his lightning before.
how do you even electrify Mochi?
You just …… hit it with electricity? Does a Japanese confectionery somehow possess a property that stops it from being affected by lightning?
Heat isn’t a problem for katakuri.
Heat doesn’t matter, a x10 AP difference does.
Kata will see the future and easily counter.
Show scans of Katakuri being able to dodge a kilometre wide nuke from someone who can blitz the number linked for him above. Cuz he isn’t blocking the lightning.
 
So Laxus is x10 stronger and has already vaporised stuff comparable to his AP.

No, no it isn’t. Not inherently anyway and Laxus’ lightning very clearly destroys things and causes giant explosions when he wants to. It will destroy any Mochi that makes contact with his aura.

Why not? He is x10 stronger. x7.5 is already what we accept as enough to one shot on this website.

What’s the issue? Laxus vaped things with his lightning before.

You just …… hit it with electricity? Does a Japanese confectionery somehow possess a property that stops it from being affected by lightning?

Heat doesn’t matter, a x10 AP difference does.

Show scans of Katakuri being able to dodge a kilometre wide nuke from someone who can blitz the number linked for him above. Cuz he isn’t blocking the lightning.
Link and yes he is blocking the lightning... You are forgetting katakuri is faster and has future sight... Using Conquerors Haki is a thing he can do to stun or make Zeldris panic, katakuri can also cover himself with mochi and haki... Again... Lightning ain't vaporizing haki or even his Mochi.
Jinbe blocking a magma punch from akainu... Akainu heat >>> lightning heat... Jinbe armament < or = Katakuri armament.
 
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Link and yes he is blocking the lightning... You are forgetting katakuri is faster and has future sight... Using Conquerors Haki is a thing he can do to stun or make Zeldris panic, katakuri can also cover himself with mochi and haki... Again... Lightning ain't vaporizing haki or even his Mochi.
The link doesn’t explain anything relevant and no one is talking about heat, stop bringing it up. Laxus blatantly disintegrated attacks that were on par with him so he will disintegrate Mochi that is x10 weaker than him. Katakuri doesn’t have the feats of blocking such attacks or else it would be reflected on his profile. This is like a random child putting up a block and Mike Tyson punching through it.
 
The link doesn’t explain anything relevant and no one is talking about heat, stop bringing it up. Laxus blatantly disintegrated attacks that were on par with him so he will disintegrate Mochi that is x10 weaker than him. Katakuri doesn’t have the feats of blocking such attacks or else it would be reflected on his profile. This is like a random child putting up a block and Mike Tyson punching through it.
This is not how we work at all on this wiki.
https://vsbattles.com/threads/heat-and-ice-resistance.117263/

It's funny that you're calling me ignorant with no support.
With your logic, everyone should get heat resistance if they scale above someone with fire.

There can be 7-A characters with steel vap temperatures and 6-A characters who can't burn paper.
We do not work like that on this website when it comes to heat.
and no one is talking about heat
So Laxus is x10 stronger and has already vaporised stuff comparable to his AP.
What’s the issue? Laxus vaped things with his lightning before.
 
What part of passive lightning aura that hits everything that tries to make contact with him did you not understand? The Mochi that tries to come close gets destroyed and Laxus can just fly around and nuke the area for kilometres.
That's not "passive" lightning aura. The definition of Passive is 24/7 aka always active and cannot be turned off. The word you are looking for is "active" even then, it's irrelevant since HE CANNOT MOVE, how is constantly vaporizing gonna help him finding balance? Katakuri can change the mochi around the environment the way he wants, Laxus will always lose balance since he can't fly nor can he blitz him (Mochi is extremely sticky and Katakuri's mochi can handle Electricity and Fire.) You are missing the point.

Laxus, is someone who can fight effectively as long as he can walk onto the ground, running onto the ground and fight onto the ground. However the funny thing is the ground turned into sticky mochi, he is not going to blitz Katakuri, he is not going to move properly and nor does he have "passive lightning aura" it's active which doesn't matter. Since Katakuri has an ability called "Burned Mochi" as the name already implies "his mochi have resistance to fire".


You think Katakuri is going to watch and let him do anything? Have you already forgotten that he prevented Luffy from transforming into Gear 4 and Luffy's Precognition was hard countered by him. How is Laxus, out of all people going to deal with Katakuri's future sight when the entire environment is his enemy.
 
Ffs. Let’s try this one more time. No one, and I mean no one but you, is talking about temperature. That very post doesn’t even support you as King says that temperature and AP of attacks with heat are not connected. This means that Laxus’ lightning, that thing that is x10 Katakuri’s AP, will one shot him regardless of his heat resistance. Stop bringing it up when it doesn’t matter at all.
 
The most ridiculous claim is really to assume that Laxus can constantly vaporizing an entire environment with seemingly endless amount of mochi tagging him or trapping him, and that Katakuri stands still and does nothing (if he vaporize the environment, Awakening is still active, which constantly attacks him eventually catch him off-guard). When we said the entire environment that means the whole location they are fighting.

Nobody has presented an argument how Laxus is going to deal with Katakuri's future sight. AP isn't everything my friends. I mean, get hit by what? I don't see one move that would seemingly do anything to Katakuri can easily dodge due to precognition in Laxus's sticky situation. Active lightning aura will only help him for a brief moment, but it ain't blocking haki-imbued mochi fits and kicks from every direction, he can even kick or punch Laxus from beneath the endless mochi environment and make him lose balance. You are acting like it's invincible except it's not, you don't seem to have realize how much of a difference Busoshoku Haki makes.


Katakuri's mochi isn't just average mochi, it's basically saying Mr.3's wax is average wax. Mr.3's wax is harder than steel and blocked Magellan's Hydra, I don't see an average wax doing that. Amongst One piece characters Katakuri and Doflamingo have trained their devil fruit to the point of attaining the second stage - Awakening. Trust me when I said, it'll trap i really meant it.
 
Katakuri's mochi isn't just average mochi, it's basically saying Mr.3's wax is average wax. Mr.3's wax is harder than steel and blocked Magellan's Hydra, I don't see an average wax doing that. Amongst One piece characters Katakuri and Doflamingo have trained their devil fruit to the point of attaining the second stage - Awakening. Trust me when I said, it'll trap i really meant it.
Devil fruit powers becomes much stronger when you train them, katakuri has trained them to the point of awakening.
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