Roronoa Zoro VS Charlotte Katakuri (9/2/0) [Grace]

[KlinkyGrape]

Roronoa Zoro VS Charlotte Katakuri​

Pre-Enma Zoro is being used
AP:

Zoro: 4.3 Gigatons in base, far higher with armament haki, even higher with asura.​

Katakuri: At least 2 Gigatons in base, 3.98 Gigatons with Edged Mochi and his fruit, 4.3 Gigatons with his awakening.​

Speed:

Zoro: Possibly 0.57% SoL, higher with shishi sonson​

Katakuri: 0.57% SoL, higher with awakening​

Durability:

Zoro: 4.3 Gigatons, far higher with armament haki, even higher with asura.​

Katakuri: At least 3.98 Gigatons, possibly 4.3 Gigatons with Haki​

Starting Distance: 300 meters
Starting Location: Mirror Dimension
Both in Character

Roronoa Zoro: 9 (MonkeyOfLife, Eminiteable, Shizuka, KingTempest, Dereck03, StrawHatArslan, HammerStrikes219, MarioGoods, Ryuga21)
Charlotte Katakuri: 2 (WrongIdea21, KobsterHope07)
Inconclusive: 0

 

[KobsterHope07]

Actually Katakuri is 2 GT in his base for AP for harming Luffy

 

[KingTempest]

From my knowledge, Zoro has actually no way to hit Katakuri except with his Tornado attacks. Zoro has better lifting so he could pin him down if needed.

Waiting for more input

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Zoro can easily learn Advanced Observation Haki in this battle... (maybe even faster than luffy ), Reactive Power Level (He gets stronger as he fights stronger opponents), Stronger Armament Haki, Breath of all things, Zoro's predicting skill and Observation Haki might be equal to future sight (2 types Extrasensory Perception, 2 types Analytical Prediction and 3 types Information Analysis), Damage Boost and higher AP even higher with more stat amps (Zoro should be able to one shot and even more of a chance with speed amp), better Range (Starting Distance: 300 meters, katakuri has 180m Range) and Dura, MUCH better endurance and Stamina aswell as much more skilled

so Voting Zoro For reasons above.

 

[KingTempest]

Zoro can easily learn Advanced Observation Haki in this battle... (maybe even faster than luffy ), Reactive Power Level (He gets stronger as he fights stronger opponents), Stronger Armament Haki, Breath of all things, Zoro's predicting skill and Observation Haki might be equal to future sight (2 types Extrasensory Perception, 2 types Analytical Prediction and 3 types Information Analysis), Damage Boost and higher AP even higher with more stat amps (Zoro should be able to one shot and even more of a chance with speed amp), better Range and Dura, MUCH better endurance and Stamina aswell as much more skilled

so Voting Zoro For reasons above.

Zoro is not "easily" learning future sight.

That is funny as hell.

And a few stat amps isn't gonna help one shot, and Luffy needed 2/3 blitzable speed amps just to even be comparable to his future sight.

 

[Eminiteable]

From my knowledge, Zoro has actually no way to hit Katakuri except with his Tornado attacks. Zoro has better lifting so he could pin him down if needed.

His Tatsumaki and potentially his 1080 Pound Ho considering its insane AOE, he also has the option of just wearing out Katakuri's observation haki by making him overuse it (The only reason Luffy didn't do this is because he wanted to surpass Katakuri's observation haki). Maybe with Analytical prediction + Observation he can also do something, unsure though.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Roronoa Zoro VS Charlotte Katakuri​

Pre-Enma Zoro is being used
AP:

Zoro: 4.3 Gigatons in base, far higher with armament haki, even higher with asura.​

Katakuri: At least 2 Gigatons in base, 3.98 Gigatons with Edged Mochi and his fruit, 4.3 Gigatons with his awakening.​

Speed:

Zoro: Possibly 0.57% SoL, higher with shishi sonson​

Katakuri: 0.57% SoL, higher with awakening​

Durability:

Zoro: 4.3 Gigatons, far higher with armament haki, even higher with asura.​

Katakuri: At least 3.98 Gigatons, possibly 4.3 Gigatons with Haki​

uh I can't read this, who has advantages?

 

[Eminiteable]

uh I can't read this, who has advantages?

Zoro in AP & durability Kat in speed.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Zoro is not "easily" learning future sight.

That is funny as hell.

Easily as in he will be able to learn future sight in this match because of Zoro's Reactive power lvl, Willpower, Endurance and Stamina if it doesnt end quickly

 

[KingTempest]

If that was the logic he would've learned it by now in canon

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

If that was the logic he would've learned it by now in canon

Zoro Hasn't fought anyone that he doesn't one shot yet...

 

[Eminiteable]

If that was the logic he would've learned it by now in canon

Not necessarily since he hasn't fought anyone with advanced observation yet, Rayleigh says this:

"The real advancement in Haki happens during extreme battle... the stronger the foes you face with this power, the stronger you'll become with it"

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

And a few stat amps isn't gonna help one shot

Zoro: Island level, far higher with armament haki, even higher with asura + Statistics Amplification (Via increasing the muscle mass of his arms to briefly enhance his strength) + Damage Boost (which one shots people MUCH higher dura than Zoro's own ap)... Zoro's Armament haki alone might be able to one shot... Zoro one shotted killer who has 6-C dura. (that's what it says ) VS Katakuri: At least Large Mountain level+ (Withstood numerous attacks from Gear 2nd and 3rd Luffy for upwards of 11 consecutive hours), possibly Island level with Haki

 

[KobsterHope07]

Honestly, Katakuri could pin Zoro down with mochi since he scales to G4 Luffy who could break free from Doffy's strings that could restrain Jozu. And Jozu should be at least comparable to everybody favorite blue bird

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Honestly, Katakuri could pin Zoro down with mochi since he scales to G4 Luffy who could break free from Doffy's strings that could restrain Jozu. And Jozu should be at least comparable to everybody favorite blue bird

Probably just get sliced easily... Zoro also has much stronger dura as well as endurance and stamina...

 

[StrawHatArslan]

I agree with monkey and emin, zoro can 100% learn it in the fight, but for now I will wait for arguments and see what others say.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Zoro has better lifting so he could pin him down if needed.

Honestly, Katakuri could pin Zoro down with mochi

 

[KobsterHope07]

Unlike with best boi Sanji, Zoro doesn't have much mobility like Flight, which really hurt the swordsman since Katakuri can turn the entire battlefield into mochi, taking advantage of the swordman's lack of flight to surround him Mochi from everywhere, even the ground and capture him to suffocate him like he did with the rubber boy.

In speed, Zoro is scaling to G2 Luffy, his only speed amp being Shishi Sonson while Katakuri w/ Future Sight is scaling to G4 Luffy and could compete with Snakeman Luffy (who stated that he is faster than Bound Man) and his Python attacks, and could become faster with Awakening so Katakuri has an edge in speed.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Unlike with Sanji, Zoro doesn't have much mobility like Flight, which really hurt the swordsman since Katakuri can turn the entire battlefield into mochi, taking advantage of the swordman's lack of flight to surround him Mochi from everywhere, even the ground and capture him to suffocate him like he did with the rubber boy.

Zoro has range advantage

In speed, Zoro is scaling to G2 Luffy, his only speed amp being Shishi Sonson while Katakuri w/ Future Sight is scaling to G4 Luffy and could compete with Snakeman Luffy (who stated that he is faster than Bound Man) and his Python attacks, and could become faster with Awakening so Katakuri has an edge in speed.

Oh no... The speed...

 

[Bernkastelll]

Zoro has range advantage

Range is not the point, the point is the location of the match, Katakuri has advantage of the entire Mirror Dimension, he can use it as his will tells him to

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Range is not the point, the point is the location of the match, Katakuri has advantage of the entire Mirror Dimension, he can use it as his will tells him to

Starting Distance: 300 meters

Katakuri: 180 meters Range

Zoro also slices them easily...

 

[Eminiteable]

Unlike with best boi Sanji, Zoro doesn't have much mobility like Flight, which really hurt the swordsman since Katakuri can turn the entire battlefield into mochi, taking advantage of the swordman's lack of flight to surround him Mochi from everywhere, even the ground and capture him to suffocate him like he did with the rubber boy.

But Zoro makes up for it with the strength, range and AOE of his air slashes which can break/destroy whatever Katakuri does to the battlefield.

 

[KobsterHope07]

But Zoro makes up for it with the strength, range and AOE of his air slashes which can break/destroy whatever Katakuri does to the battlefield.

Indeed, however, only his Tornadoes attacks will possibly be effective and I believe he have to be at very close range to use them, his other attacks at range will be precog and dodge, especially due to the speed gap so Zoro will have no choice but take the fight directly to Katakuri. Besides wouldn't his ranged attacks be effective by how far he is as shown with him attempting to cut Giant Pica. With his Precog, Katakuri will take note of what attack will be dangerous to him and try to make counters against it, similar to what he did to Luffy.

Zoro can break/destroy/smash whatever Katakuri does to the battlefield, but how effective would it really be if the mochi man can simply turn them into mochi again. The location is an enclosed location, Katakuri has many options in which direction he want to attack from, whether it above or below.

 

[Eminiteable]

Besides wouldn't his ranged attacks be effective by how far he is as shown with him attempting to cut Giant Pica. With his Precog, Katakuri will take note of what attack will be dangerous to him and try to make counters against it, similar to what he did to Luffy.

Zoro's ranged slashes would be effective, the issue with Pica is he didn't want to fight Zoro directly and avoided him, Pica could do this due to his fruit ignoring haki and the sheer size of him. Katakuri on other hand mostly showed his ability to dodge attacks against punches and will struggle against Zoro's slashes which are far larger.

Pretty much every attack Zoro uses here will be dangerous to him and while he could dodge them with his future sight he will still need to make the effort of using future sight.

Zoro can break/destroy/smash whatever Katakuri does to the battlefield, but how effective would it really be if the mochi man can simply turn them into mochi again. The location is an enclosed location, Katakuri has many options in which direction he want to attack from, whether it above or below.

Could be wrong but I believe Kat's awakening needs to first make physical contact to activate, and as seen against Pica Zoro's destruction to the battlefield would heavily prevent that.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

I think katakuri can just incapacitate and suffocate zoro with mochi just like he did with luffy.

 

[Eminiteable]

similar to what he did to Luffy.

This method takes advantage of the difference in strength between Kat and Luffy, while I'm not doubting he can create counters for Zoro it's not like he's showed in his fight that many great counters that didn't just rely on physically overpowering his opponent.

I think katakuri can just incapacitate and suffocate zoro with mochi just like he did with luffy.

Superior AP to Luffy Allows him to destroy it, superior LS allows him to break out.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Superior AP to Luffy Allows him to destroy it, superior LS allows him to break out.

How does zoro have better lifting strength than katakuri, katakuri restrained G4 luffy who has better lifting than zoro.

 

[Eminiteable]

How does zoro have better lifting strength than katakuri, katakuri restrained G4 luffy who has better lifting than zoro.

Luffy's LS scales above Doffy who scales to Jozu's ambiguous "Top Class" lifting strength. Zoro scales from overpowering Fuji.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Luffy's LS scales above Doffy who scales to Jozu's ambiguous "Top Class" lifting strength. Zoro scales from overpowering Fuji.

And Jozu also scales to mihawks attack which scales to whitebeard which scales to marco who can hold queen who overpowered both luffy and zoro.

 

[Eminiteable]

Queen who overpowered both luffy and zoro.

I plan on making a CRT changing this as this definitely did not happen.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

I plan on making a CRT changing this as this definitely did not happen.

uh, ok.

 

[KobsterHope07]

Could be wrong but I believe Kat's awakening needs to first make physical contact to activate, and as seen against Pica Zoro's destruction to the battlefield would heavily prevent that.

Well, he have to be on the ground first if that is what you meant. It is similar to Doflamingo where he could transmute the ground and then from there he could transmute the entire area around him like the buildings and the roads. As long as he is touching the ground, his Awakening should activate just fine.

This method takes advantage of the difference in strength between Kat and Luffy, while I'm not doubting he can create counters for Zoro it's not like he's showed in his fight that many great counters that didn't just rely on physically overpowering his opponent.

Superior AP to Luffy Allows him to destroy it, superior LS allows him to break out.

You don’t need to be much stronger than a person in order to trip them up (similar to how Izou could disarm King of his sword), as long as he doesn’t give Zoro the chance to fully swing his sword and keep him down, he can stop his attacks before it starts.

And I can’t recall Luffy breaking out of Katakuri‘s Mochi with AP ever. He only broke out by from Katakuri‘s Mochi once and that was through eating his way out.

 

[Eminiteable]

Well, he have to be on the ground first if that is what you meant. It is similar to Doflamingo where he could transmute the ground and then from there he could transmute the entire area around him like the buildings and the roads. As long as he is touching the ground, his Awakening should activate just fine.

And Zoro can split apart the ground seperating his connections making his ability to manipulate the battleground more limited.

You don’t need to be much stronger than a person in order to trip them up (similar to how Izou could disarm King of his sword), as long as he doesn’t give Zoro the chance to fully swing his sword and keep him down, he can stop his attacks before it starts.

Pretty sure Izo disarming King is partly due to him being off-guard, For Katakuri to matchup to Zoro's base AP & Durability he has to use his large awakening edged mochi strikes (as they're the only ones with feats on that level), tripping up Zoro or countering him while not impossible and something he would likely do wouldn't be as effective as Katakuri did against base Luffy.

And I can’t recall Luffy breaking out of Katakuri‘s Mochi with AP ever. He only broke out by from Katakuri‘s Mochi once and that was through eating his way out.

Luffy never did, but there's nothing stopping Zoro from doing so.

 

[Ryuga21]

And Zoro can split apart the ground seperating his connections making his ability to manipulate the battleground more limited.

How would Zoro know how awakening works? He's never battled someone like that before, and he's not very tactical in combat too.

 

[KobsterHope07]

And Zoro can split apart the ground seperating his connections making his ability to manipulate the battleground more limited.

Possibly yeah, but at best it would be nuisance to Katakuri given his environment.

Pretty sure Izo disarming King is partly due to him being off-guard, For Katakuri to matchup to Zoro's base AP & Durability he has to use his large awakening edged mochi strikes (as they're the only ones with feats on that level), tripping up Zoro or countering him while not impossible and something he would likely do wouldn't be as effective as Katakuri did against base Luffy.

That’s probably the case with Izou and King (can’t remember the scene good) but given Zoro hasn’t face an Awakening user like Doffy or Katakuri, let alone know how much control he has over his Mochi, how sticky it is, as well his ability to attack from range with his Donut attacks, he have opportunities to catch Zoro by surprised at least once.

Luffy never did, but there's nothing stopping Zoro from doing so.

Depends on how Zoro is captured or pinned I suppose. If both of his limbs are caught, it would be kinda hard for him to break free if he can swing his sword to utilize his AP. He probably have the sword in his mouth but Katakuri could have the opportunity to seal it to his face with Mochi. So, depends on how he is pinned

 

[Eminiteable]

How would Zoro know how awakening works? He's never battled someone like that before, and he's not very tactical in combat too.

He wouldn't, doesn't mean he can't learn like he did during the pica fight and considering the solution to dealing/reducing its effectiveness is the same as against pica he absolutely can deal with awakening.

However not very tactical is completely false, his victory over Pica and Ohm were achieved through tactics, most of his fights he doesn't need to rely on them although quite commonly o he relies on tactics to land hits on his opponents and in Wano seperating Big Mom and Kaido (while as a group effort) was done through tactics.

 

[Eminiteable]

Possibly yeah, but at best it would be nuisance to Katakuri given his environment.

It can be a lot more than a nuisance considering how small the mirror world's size is and how destructively large just one air slash from Zoro is. I also want to mention how Zoro was able to unleash seemingly several air slashes at once in different directions with seemingly one attack, this would prove pretty effective against Katakuri considering the destruction this would cause to the environment and the little amount of room it would leave him to dodge.

That’s probably the case with Izou and King (can’t remember the scene good) but given Zoro hasn’t face an Awakening user like Doffy or Katakuri, let alone know how much control he has over his Mochi, how sticky it is, as well his ability to attack from range with his Donut attacks, he have opportunities to catch Zoro by surprised at least once.

He'll definitely catch Zoro by surprise for the reason's you've said, I believe his experience with Pica & his information analysis could allow him to grasp it relatively quickly and allow him to deal with it more effectively.

Depends on how Zoro is captured or pinned I suppose. If both of his limbs are caught, it would be kinda hard for him to break free if he can swing his sword to utilize his AP. He probably have the sword in his mouth but Katakuri could have the opportunity to seal it to his face with Mochi. So, depends on how he is pinned

Against Fujitora where he only had one sword he was capable of breaking free and striking at Fuji, this was while his whole body was pinned under gravity. He could do something similar by launching a slash at katakuri to prevent the hold on him even if Katakuri aims for his limbs.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

That’s probably the case with Izou and King (can’t remember the scene good) but given Zoro hasn’t face an Awakening user like Doffy or Katakuri, let alone know how much control he has over his Mochi, how sticky it is, as well his ability to attack from range with his Donut attacks, he have opportunities to catch Zoro by surprised at least once.

Zoro has many information analysis and can read the breath to determine where the attack will come from… his normal obs haki can also do that (but breath of all thing probably better)

people are forgetting about Zoro’s skills and skills in finding weaknesses, that will be VERY bad for kata since 1 mistake and he’ll get on shotted… Zoro has many ways to interrupt katakuri’s attacks… it won’t be like luffy’s range where it’s connected to his body so it won’t reach… Zoro’s air slashes even if gets attack back will still be able to move around or even send another slash… katakuri’s future sight won’t help if he ain’t fast enough to dodge the slashes… which are wide aoe and can even be bigger with more slashes… 1 air slash will be Very effective and not something katakuri can just walk off… it will be like kata stabing himself but minimum 2x worse since it won’t just hit 1 part of his body. And the starting match is 300m which katakuri can’t reach but Zoro can, Zoro will definitely utilize that to his advantage.

 

[WrongIdea21]

Voting Katakuri For Future Sight, Stronger Busho (atleast Stronger Than Luffy Busho), Speed Blitz, and His Sticky DF Could Paralyze Zoro Movement.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Stronger Busho

Wrong

Speed Blitz

Wrong

and His Sticky DF Could Paralyze Zoro Movement.

Gets cut with air slashes