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Then you need to look into why those profiles are the exception I see no difference hereYeah that's not the best reasoning.
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Then you need to look into why those profiles are the exception I see no difference hereYeah that's not the best reasoning.
I never said it was different. I'm saying that using the logic of one verse got it so yeah this one should isn't a good argument because they could be wrong as well or there could be more behind it. It's just not a good reason regardless of if it's looks good or not. Use the what's provided in the verse and not another to prove your point is all I'm saying in the general sense.Then you need to look into why those profiles are the exception I see no difference here
It would be listed as Soul Destruction since it can erase the soulI'm actually on the fence regarding this. Sure EE is beyond normal levels of destruction but that's because it's erasing it from esistance. However, EE isn't usually done by force like raw destruction so in some cases it's different.
Now on one hand I get it, it sounds really odd if you could survive against your soul being erased but fall to it being destroyed by a lesser approch but on the other hand, we in no way give someone resistance to matter/biological manipulation simple because they resisted getting erased because they aren't always comparable.
However, in terms a Dragon Ball, they can physically muscle against it in some instances so the argument could be had that they can withstand the power that erases the soul, they could withstand something that destroys it. In the end, I don't think it's inaccurate considering we treat it as the top level of destruction.
That's cause you claimed my logic is that resistance to EE gives you a resistance to getting destroyed by AP which isn't my point at all and misinterprets it as a form of invulnerability.no it isn't? i don't understand why you used invulnerability as an example at all, like how does that even address my point at all?
Low 1-C hax, 1-B hax, and 1-A hax are very common terms. So having a misunderstanding over low 2-C hax isn't my problem if you don't know the teiring terms.then just say 4D hax, that kind of wording can lead to misunderstandings
If I said something in terms of AP around teir 3 you'd be right, but I'm talking about scailing in hax around teir 2 unless your gonna nickpick I didn't say 4D hax in potency.i am not, you said with ap terms, not with dimensionality terms
Erasure is in a tier of it's own, it doesn't always = it's lesser variant. I have an example of characters that have stronger level of a hax that is a different variant from the lower. My example was explaining that if it's pointed to in that way, it would be fine, which is why I don't have a major issue.It would be listed as Soul Destruction since it can erase the soul
I didn’t really understand your example for the db muscle stuff
no? that is exactly what your logic implies, the way the soul is destroyed matters here significantly, like, are you going to tell me that attacking the soul directly with ap is the same as having said soul erased from existence? of course notThat's cause you claimed my logic is that resistance to EE gives you a resistance to getting destroyed by AP which isn't my point at all and misinterprets it as a form of invulnerability.
i know the tiering terms, i was just giving a tip, i was not really complainingLow 1-C hax, 1-B hax, and 1-A hax are very common terms. So having a misunderstanding over low 2-C hax isn't my problem if you don't know the teiring terms.
read above, sorry for any confusion regarding my adviceIf I said something in terms of AP around teir 3 you'd be right, but I'm talking about scailing in hax around teir 2 unless your gonna nickpick I didn't say 4D hax in potency.
I see so you’re saying they’re merely different variants not a necessarily a stronger version of EE So are you okay with Soul Destruction being listed?Erasure is in a tier of its own, it doesn't always = it's lesser variant. I have an example of characters that have stronger level of a hax that is a different variant from the lower. My example was explaining that if it's pointed to in that way, it would be fine, which is why I don't have a major issue.
I don't follow DB like I use to, but I'm more neutral. Though if it gets accepted then I don't have any major problems. I'm just here to add my thoughts.I see so you’re saying they’re merely different variants not a necessarily a stronger version of EE So are you okay with Soul Destruction being listed?
I'm really not trying to imply my logic works like that, since soul attacks with AP scailing vs Soul erasure are different since one works on scailing while the other ignores durability.no? that is exactly what your logic implies, the way the soul is destroyed matters here significantly, like, are you going to tell me that attacking the soul directly with ap is the same as having said soul erased from existence? of course not
I see that’s fine thanks for your inputI don't follow DB like I use to, but I'm more neutral. Though if it gets accepted then I don't have any major problems. I'm just here to add my thoughts.
i know that this is not what you are trying to imply, but it is what it is implied even if you didn't intended toI'm really not trying to imply my logic works like that
well, if so then still i don't much point in the thread tbh, like, we already list it as "soul ee" so i am still feeling like it is redundant, since soul attacks with AP scailing vs Soul erasure are different since one works on scailing while the other ignores durability.
I hate mentioning that sans is the only undertale character with soul durability negation
I'm okay with staff making their points on the matter.well, if so then still i don't much point in the thread tbh, like, we already list it as "soul ee" so i am still feeling like it is redundant
but we are going in circles, let us leave the staff to decide, agree to disagree for us both sounds reasonable for you?
not really no, they all have, sans was just the one that didn't got downgraded
1 staff agree 1 neutralIs there any conclusion yet?
just to say that content mods do not count as votes for threads, don't ask me it is a site rule sadly1 staff agree 1 neutral
Well, no. Soul Erasure is destroying it, while Soul Manipulation is controlling it. It's like Durability against a punch vs body puppetry. A character can take a punch but still be effected by someone manipulating them physically.I agree with this. Makes zero sense that resistance to soul destruction wouldn't give you resistance to soul manipulation. If your soul can handle literal erasure from all existence it can resist a dude trying to manipulate it.
The ops question was why hakai doesn’t have soul destruction but he just copied and pasted that off the profile they already have void manipWell, no. Soul Erasure is destroying it, while Soul Manipulation is controlling it. It's like Durability against a punch vs body puppetry. A character can take a punch but still be effected by someone manipulating them physically.
For the OP, unless Frieza's Hakai is super bad I don't know why Goku wouldn't get some form of resistance to EE and Void Manipulation.
EE doesn’t include Soul Destruction by default so we wanted to add Soul Destruction but we aren’t trying to add Soul Manipulation just Soul Destruction like the manga doesEE already includes Soul Destruction. You just have to prove it can effect souls. Soul Manipulation requires active influence over a soul afaik.
I see, so as long as manp involves destruction (concept erasure) it would get that manp in specific? Also, I think our soul manp page isn't specific towards controlling or puppet soul stuff but even interaction such as interaction with souls, eating soul would get soul manp and other soul related applications.Well, no. Soul Erasure is destroying it, while Soul Manipulation is controlling it. It's like Durability against a punch vs body puppetry. A character can take a punch but still be effected by someone manipulating them physically.
EE doesn't include soul by default but can can include. In some fictional series EE includes concepts and causality itself (which has been referenced as causality manp and concept manp in profiles via EE).EE already includes Soul Destruction. You just have to prove it can effect souls. Soul Manipulation requires active influence over a soul afaik.
Maybe? But here u think just EE workssee, so as long as manp involves destruction (concept erasure) it would get that manp in specific?
Since EE can include soul erasure, just not as a defaultThis ability's destructive power is not absolute, and one should not assume that it can erase the soul by default
I see. It seems fine then.Maybe? But here u think just EE works
Since EE can include soul erasure, just not as a default
just as a clarification, this would only include soul destruction via EE right?Maybe? But here u think just EE works
Since EE can include soul erasure, just not as a default
so are you fine with soul destruction being listed?Maybe? But here u think just EE works
Since EE can include soul erasure, just not as a default
Yeahthis would only include soul destruction via EE right?
I think it's covered with EE but idk. If you want to through in Soul Manipulation feel free since Beerus does it.so are you fine with soul destruction being listed?
Okay thanksYeah
I think it's covered with EE but idk. If you want to through in Soul Manipulation feel free since Beerus does it.
adding soul destruction for hakaiWhat exactly being argued here????
It's done.What exactly being argued here????
What are affected profiles?Okay thanks
adding soul destruction for hakai
This would affect all the G.o.D profiles Goku, Frieza, Vegeta, Toppo also special Ki manipulation page for xv2/heroes also Zeno that’s all I can think ofIt's done.
What are affected profiles?
EE already includes Soul Destruction. You just have to prove it can effect souls. Soul Manipulation requires active influence over a soul afaik.
Put those two quotes in the OP
why matter destruction? it is still just EEwell if this is accepted, just slap Matter Destruction and Soul Destruction
it can still erase physical objectwhy matter destruction? it is still just EE
Which is just EE in this contextit can still erase physical object
it still fall under destruction aspect of matter manipulation, unless you want to list a guy with an ability to erase physical object, matter only as EEYeah this isn't matter manipulation. It's just erasure. Like you don't get temperature manipulation for controlling or producing fire unless that's a separate ability for example.
Yeah, that's what you're supposed to do.erase physical object, matter only as EE
Is Soul Destruction fine to add now?Yeah, that's what you're supposed to do.