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Metal Gear Discussion Thread
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I don't wanna be that dude but.... He's explicitly statistically weaker than one Gekko. The very 8-A feat would've killed him. And he needed weaponry to take down Vamp with said restraining being after you daze him, try that shit when he's fresh and you get manhandled.
Like remember lads, just because you can argue it, doesn't mean you should argue it.
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He would, to at least the mines anyway, The codecs establish that as the method to beat him given they flatout tell you to do that.
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MSX laser scaling
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Got it. But he'd still be Class G from scaling to a singular Gekko's LS, right? Or are we considering the barrel stuff an outlier?
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Idk about Snake, but REX and RAY should definitely be Class G.
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Pretty sure RAY is already Class G on its profile.
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Doesn't Snake kick down REX's foot in that one cutscene of Twin Snakes? Or was it just REX putting it's foot down?
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He kicks it, and it uh, does actually nothing, he just bounces off it. If he DID we could cook with that, but it's actually a scene showing how badly he DOESNT scale.
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Talking Pre-MGR ofc.
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Is Twin Snakes even canon to mainline Metal Gear?
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Yes, it is.
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It's like, how both pokemon versions canon.
I dont think its an outlier, but like, all he's doing is taking them by surprise and tripping them.
I do think maybe he can scale to a kick tho, iirc theres a codec that implies he could survive one, albeit not uninjured.
(Also it'd 100% be an outlier, Class G is like 10x the second best feat that takes actual effort).
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No cuz the 7-B calc is fraud...
Also don't think that's high enough for upscaling.
Also don't think that's high enough for upscaling.
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They're going to get downgraded sometime soon, because Blade Mode is about to be FTL, therefore no kinetic energy stuff
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It should be, at a value of 65.875 megatons while the next tier is 100 megatons you could upscale provided sufficient scaling chain/effort. Though if they become FTL than ignore what I just said.
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Might be Small City.
EMPs.
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Are the Relativistic calcs still being considered outliers? The speed growth between the two chronologically makes it look consistent (0.19c to 0.404c), not to mention its backed by other massively hypersonic calcs.
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No, i'm talking about the speed of the calculated feats of MG1 (Solid Snake dodging infrared sensors) and MGS4 (Ocelot in Metal Gear RAY dodging Metal Gear REX's FE laser)
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IDK, it actually looks like he actually manages to kick back its leg into the ground as it was attempting to take a step, might be worth something since even just by walking MG REX > hordes of MGS4 Gekkos
Imo 8-C seems rather consistent for Human characters, Coocoon feat, Volgin punching holes through armor that RPGs that can pulverize steel beams couldn’t, Gray Fox surviving a Metal Gear being completely destroyed whilst inside of it, Liquid enduring REX explosion that engulfed its hangar and made parts of it crumble, stun arm being able to launch ATG lighting against multiple enemies in a 40 meter radius and still be considered a non lethal weapon
There is also the metallic archaea which Code Talker explains feed off the energy of oxidizing metals at a very fast rate ( which is surprisingly high if you look it up) and the Skulls use them as armor.
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Ocelot's feat is considered aim dodging iicr
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How? He can see the laser's charge-up?
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He jumps before the laser's fired, though it's like a split second gap
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Probably not, that's like a 2x gap almost.
Given we know, factually, that one step from REX > Instant death....
Not all of that is 8-C. Volgin, Liquid, and Stun Arm aren't.
Skulls have 9-A feats via Archaea, I've been looking into them. Kinda high 9-A tho so it doesn't inherently shootdown 8-C if we end up getting 8-C feats but more acts as support.
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I wish someone can calc this
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Two wrongs don't make a right. Kind of baffled that went through, unless there was like a 2x statement or extra evidence like how in DBZ to null a foe's attack you need 2x ki or some shit, a whole tier jump almost off "i feel it might be this much" is asinine.
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I'm pretty sure we do have a cut off on where we can upscale using scaling chains (by scaling chain I mean no multipliers or I'm using half my power or statement of using a "fraction of my power" or any other variation of this) just showing that at 607 tons if probably the cut off? I know for a fact if it was 550 tons or 500 tons it definitely would've been rejected and would've had zero chance of upscaling to the next tier regardless how big the scaling chain is.
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Yeah the general "guideline" is about 25% within next tier + actual notable upscaling, like a hard one shot.
40% is like, well 2x is still 2x.
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Yeah that's what I thought, but then that thread passed, which made me wonder
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Even 25% is pushing it in some cases really upscaling is fine if its 20% or less generally.
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Then and all three administrators, DarkDragonMedeus, Celestial_Pegasus, and Elizhaa have some explaining to do
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