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Yes, tiny micro water jets, not huge ones? They exploit area BECAUSE they have so little mass behind them? It's the same principle behind a bullet, but like, imagine if a bullet had 10000x more mass, yet only 10x slower, you gonna argue "nah the bullet can't rip through a person because it needs to be at least [speed] to", because that's literally what you've been going off about.
Except that's just wrong? It's a mix, velocity, area, and mass effect it.
At a certain point the area becomes less relevant because the mass is like, literally orders of magnitudes higher while still retaining some semblance of velocity?
If Ray's jet was moving at like 1mps and outputting say, 40 tons of water a seconds, youre right, it wouldnt cut through steel, but 40 tons at half the speed of sound almost? Yeah, it would, and does, many times over.
No it doesn't? If you drop a sextillion tons of water on a steel plate at 0.1mps, what do you think is gonna happen? Rhetorical, that steel is going to split wide open.
I literally calculated it, what the **** are you on about? The minimum speed that a water jet with the area of Ray's would need to output, in order to have a sufficient volume of water and speed ratio, given speed also affects flow rate, aka how much water it's outputting, is about 78.9 mps, in order to shear a steel plate about 1m2 that's a few inches thick like a tanker hull.
Like, I don't think you understand the energy behind even a slow af jet at Ray's size, it's essentially the equilavent of a dozen massive trucks at subsonic speeds, like no shit it's cutting through steel.
Well, sucks dude but it is what it is.
The speed I calculated is the speed it's shown, it is what it is.
Yeah, hypersonic if it came from say, a 1mm jet.
You're actively ignoring how the flow rate increases exponentially, leading to exponential mass inflation. It doesn't NEED to be that high in velocity, because the increase in total mass outweighs the decrease in speed, it's offset by orders of magnitude.
Like, do you even actually know how strong this steel plating is? REX's armor uses ceramic composite often used in tanks, which, while strong, don't require a million tons of water at hypersonic speeds to damage dude speaking realistically, but that's beside the point, I don't know how to explain this to beyond, shit has so much extra mass behind it that it being a bit lower in speed isn't going to change it shredding metal.
That isn't even true, 20mps with a 1m2 nozzle would have a flow rate that comes out to 200m2 of water over the course of 10 seconds of sustained usage. Like, I pray I don't need to remind one that Ray itself is over 20m, tall. A few seconds of sustained usage isn't outputting as much as you think at such low speeds.
Buuut.... This doesn't matter because when Ray cuts through the tanker, it's standing in a massive pool of water due to Ocelot's bombing flooding the hangar.
And looking into it, I was literally right, Ray's jump into the water to refuel water after using the water cutter in the boss fights. They're equipped with pressure pumps to take in water, the hangar case of slightly longer sustained usage as opposed to the 2-3 seconds in the boss fight, is literally because the room is filled with like 10m high in water so Ray has like thousands and thousands of cubix meters to draw upon.
Which, goes back to the prior point actually, if even the verse itself acknowledges how dumb this is, and even has it be a point in the boss fight you can exploit where theyre vulnerable, are you really arguing "just ignore just because"?
Also thinking on it, given the Ray's can only sustain a few seconds of it, we could probably even get a volume that way based on flow rate.
Dude. If the water moves at 1kmps, and it only moves a FRACTION of that in a second, it isnt 1kmps. Do you not understand how speed works? If you argue it moves at 1kmps, yet it only moves say, 80mps, newsflash, it ain't 1kmps, it's 80mps. The pov means **** all, what matters is the speed it's going at, you're wrong. Not much more to say, we literally see the speed it comes out as in cutscene, in the very scene you're yapping about.
So yes, it can't be that much because by your own admittance that scene is in real time meaning you can't even argue there was slow down or some shit affecting the perceived speed.
Except not even, have you ever actually framed by framed this stuff? I have, Raiden actively blocking bullets, for example, is still slower than said bullets, his arms mopve like 5x slower.
Because uh, we see it isn't that fast? There's nothing to debate here.
Because it's sunlight that has light based properties?
Yeah, yet we also have times where they dodge beams too.
It's not only omega inflated, every argument you've put forth is either just flatout wrong, ignoring how shearing isn't just a product of speed but area x mass x velocity and even if one is lowered, any of the three being exponentially higher can offset the decrease if the increase in that value outweighs the decrease, which, it does, or blatant handwaving of common sense which, apparently, even the verse takes into account so that's not exactly up for debate, or just flatout ignoring how we see the beam fire in the actual cutscene, it's super fast, but it ain't no 1kmps, takes like 3ish frames to cover the screen.
You realize if you scaled up a water jet cutter as is, it wouldn't even work properly anymore? In fact, it's the same as how downscaling tech like REX's railgun, wouldn't make it the same speed anymore because that isn;t how mechanics work. Which yes as an aside, Fortune's railgun isn't accepted at triple digit mach, that was changed in a CRT like well over a year ago now, by Abstractions I think? We don't even accept this logic as it is for that, why would RAY be any different? That isn't even how it works irl.
Yeah so it scales to REX? You can skip the need for a wanked calc by just scaling it to him instead.
I mean, I don't really care WHAT it is, I'm just telling you calcing it with a hyperinflated speed is wank, and wrong, because it isn't that speed, like not really up for debate, it just isn't shown that fast.
