Artery Gear: Fusion Discussion Thread

[Bossbrosish]

This is a thread to discuss anything related to Artery Gear: Fusion and hopefully make some profiles for the verse.

 

[Bossbrosish]

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[TogepiYoda]

Alright I know this page is like a year old (and I'm like 3 months late to finding this) but glad to see something else related to this verse is here. Time to revive this thread.

Here's what I have so far:

Pages:
WIP Verse Page (Has all the pages I have worked on/plan to work on - if any supporters are lurking here you all may add yourselves - will likely update it to include all characters I reasonably can)
Nio (Probably the crux of the scaling with this verse, most "normal" AGs scale to her level in her first form)
Shyura (Although her Adult form probably scales to Nio, having her own for her child self with a separate calc is a good backup)
Clarice
Izumo
WIP Chitose (Originally made this when I was making Shyura's page but I'm in the process of updating it/recalcing it to work)

Calcs:
Nio's calcs (Priority 1 of the calcs - contains the calcs for Nio's major feats of her two forms)
Shyura's calcs (Priority 2/4 depending on how the Nio calcs turn out, they scale Shyura and the rest of AmanoHa mainly)

Other Planned Pages:
04 (One of the ones who more directly scales to Nio as Nio struggled to beat the Harpist but 04 cleanly killed it)

Possible Planned Pages:
Artery Gear Physiology page (Could be possible if/when we get enough AGs with enough stats to qualify. Would be able to shorten down pages a fair bit)
Mel (Probably could scale both her forms to both of Nio's forms respectively, but I have a feeling that Mel is stronger in her base form than Nio in her base form, I'll look for additional information to prove this but if not it'll probably be similar stat spread to Nio)
The Commander
Rela (1st and Mega Armor form could scale to Nio pretty directly, but almost no scaleable data exists for her Supernova form to the point where I'm not confident in either scaling this form to Nio or going as far as to scale it to Nio's Puppet Emperor form either)
Chihaya, Kagura (Rest of the AmanoHa, could scale them to the rest but they aren't as impressive per se)
The Head (Isn't really shown too much in combat so I'm questioning if she's all too combat applicable, but maybe would add later on)
Lisa Autoluna (Same reasoning as the Head, but her Subpuppet form could be scaled to the Mother of Luna, or possibly beyond since it is implied she didn't really "die".)
Other AGs/AG Factions (Would need more info but I'll treat them on a case by case basis)

Information Collection:
Unfortunately as the game shut down in mid-November last year, we cannot use the app directly as a source anymore, and both through my own personal research and just taking a look at the wikis, they barely contain any relevant information that could be used to powerscale the characters. However we do still have resources with the relevant information, they are just somewhat scattered. There are Youtube playlists of all the main story and all of the events, so we can use those as reference. There are also Discord servers I have access to with archives of specific character information for every playable character (including a custom coded renPY version of Artery Gear which contains all the information of every character and their voicelines, along with all the BGs, skins, and a few of the story chapters and events). For specific game abilities, a Google Sheet exists (with several copies) documenting all of their abilities. If you would like the links to the Discords I can send them (however I can whilst following the rules).

 

[Bossbrosish]

Unfortunately as the game shut down in mid-November last year, we cannot use the app directly as a source anymore, and both through my own personal research and just taking a look at the wikis, they barely contain any relevant information that could be used to powerscale the characters.

It shut down?! I haven't played it in so long that this is the first I've heard of it.

While making the pages will be a bit difficult as we can't access the game anymore, I did find this Google doc that lists the units from the game that would prove useful

 

[Bossbrosish]

04 (One of the ones who more directly scales to Nio as Nio struggled to beat the Harpist but 04 cleanly killed it)

I would very much like to make this page (She's my fav character from the game)

Nio's calcs (Priority 1 of the calcs - contains the calcs for Nio's major feats of her two forms)
Shyura's calcs (Priority 2/4 depending on how the Nio calcs turn out, they scale Shyura and the rest of AmanoHa mainly)

If we can get someone to evaluate at least one of these (Or both if possible), we should be good

For specific game abilities, a Google Sheet exists (with several copies) documenting all of their abilities. If you would like the links to the Discords I can send them (however I can whilst following the rules).

Didn't realize you already mentioned the doc. Whoops

 

[TogepiYoda]

It shut down?! I haven't played it in so long that this is the first I've heard of it.

Was a shock to me too when I first heard of it (in all fairness I haven't touched the game in ages too) but my guess as to why both from their communication and revenue charts from months preceding the shutdown was that they ran out of money, and possibly even unexpectedly so too. Would explain how much of a jump it felt from Episode 16 to 17, and why they had to put the servers in "maintenance mode" a few months before it ended, and even earlier for the Korean servers.

I would very much like to make this page (She's my fav character from the game)

She's next in line after I finish up the Chitose page. (My fav is Shyura)

If we can get someone to evaluate at least one of these (Or both if possible), we should be good

Hopefully soon, I've tried the calc eval thread and messaging a few calc staff directly, but I'm currently in bump limbo so we'll see how it goes.



Anyways a few other things too - I updated the verse page to add all possible characters although good chance not even a 1/3 will end up having enough information to make up good pages even with all the info (if they're anything like F. Rela's codex then they really have no chance), or do have decent info, but it can't be used reliably just from the fact that the story is essentially text, and the visuals aren't adequate alone.

Most of the other pages are more-less finalized, but I'm combing through the rest of the events in case there's any unexpected cameos that provide useful info for pages.

Also found this in case we ever need it to scale things.

 

[TogepiYoda]

Alright I know this page is like a year old (and I'm like 3 months late to finding this) but glad to see something else related to this verse is here. Time to revive this thread.

Here's what I have so far:

Pages:
WIP Verse Page (Has all the pages I have worked on/plan to work on - if any supporters are lurking here you all may add yourselves - will likely update it to include all characters I reasonably can)
Nio (Probably the crux of the scaling with this verse, most "normal" AGs scale to her level in her first form)
Shyura (Although her Adult form probably scales to Nio, having her own for her child self with a separate calc is a good backup)
Clarice
Izumo
WIP Chitose (Originally made this when I was making Shyura's page but I'm in the process of updating it/recalcing it to work)

Calcs:
Nio's calcs (Priority 1 of the calcs - contains the calcs for Nio's major feats of her two forms)
Shyura's calcs (Priority 2/4 depending on how the Nio calcs turn out, they scale Shyura and the rest of AmanoHa mainly)

Other Planned Pages:
04 (One of the ones who more directly scales to Nio as Nio struggled to beat the Harpist but 04 cleanly killed it)

Possible Planned Pages:
Artery Gear Physiology page (Could be possible if/when we get enough AGs with enough stats to qualify. Would be able to shorten down pages a fair bit)
Mel (Probably could scale both her forms to both of Nio's forms respectively, but I have a feeling that Mel is stronger in her base form than Nio in her base form, I'll look for additional information to prove this but if not it'll probably be similar stat spread to Nio)
The Commander
Rela (1st and Mega Armor form could scale to Nio pretty directly, but almost no scaleable data exists for her Supernova form to the point where I'm not confident in either scaling this form to Nio or going as far as to scale it to Nio's Puppet Emperor form either)
Chihaya, Kagura (Rest of the AmanoHa, could scale them to the rest but they aren't as impressive per se)
The Head (Isn't really shown too much in combat so I'm questioning if she's all too combat applicable, but maybe would add later on)
Lisa Autoluna (Same reasoning as the Head, but her Subpuppet form could be scaled to the Mother of Luna, or possibly beyond since it is implied she didn't really "die".)
Other AGs/AG Factions (Would need more info but I'll treat them on a case by case basis)

Information Collection:
Unfortunately as the game shut down in mid-November last year, we cannot use the app directly as a source anymore, and both through my own personal research and just taking a look at the wikis, they barely contain any relevant information that could be used to powerscale the characters. However we do still have resources with the relevant information, they are just somewhat scattered. There are Youtube playlists of all the main story and all of the events, so we can use those as reference. There are also Discord servers I have access to with archives of specific character information for every playable character (including a custom coded renPY version of Artery Gear which contains all the information of every character and their voicelines, along with all the BGs, skins, and a few of the story chapters and events). For specific game abilities, a Google Sheet exists (with several copies) documenting all of their abilities. If you would like the links to the Discords I can send them (however I can whilst following the rules).

A now necessary update to this:

Good News:

• Both calcs have been seen, reviewed, and verified.
• All of the following pages are now live: Verse Page (for the now-released character pages), Shyura, Nio, Clarice (I'm attempting to see if I can get the Clarice page moved to Clarice (Claymore) so the Clarice here is more searchable), Izumo
  (I'll keep the sandbox pages up temporarily in case staff come to me to point out/ tell me to fix glaring issues over the pages, but they're live at least for now)

Bad News:

• The calculations had a few errors in calculations within them. The errors caused most of the speed calculations to be undervalued (but not enough to change tiers per se) but they were enough to generally boost estimations by 2-3x. Nice. The AP calculations were not so lucky.
  The Casualties (Old -> Fixed):​
• Shyura's Durability Calc (High 8-C -> 9-A)​
• Nio's Attack Potency Calc (8-A -> 9-A)
  (Funnily enough, although completely different means of calculation, at the end they both ended up with around the same amount in tons of TNT. (~0.01 and ~0.0101 respectively) Probably a coincidence, but funny nonetheless.)​
• Nio (Puppet Emperor)'s Durability Calc (High 6-C -> Uncalculatable)
  Admittedly in hindsight this one was a bit of a stretch, but there's almost no images of it and the description was vague to say the least. But ah well, blame AG's presentation style once again. Might be something I'll try to find or find a replacement feat for so Nio's Puppet Emperor form (and anything that scales to it) isn't stuck at 9-A. But that's a CRT for another time, if the information allows. Still a shame, though.​

Other Notes:

• Chitose is still in development, and likely will go as per usual, just with updated AP.
• 04 is next, and she'll probably be given the same treatment as Nio.
• Other characters will again depend on how much info I can figure out for their lore.

 

[TogepiYoda]

Okay the update to the update:

Pages are ready, just need to post the calcs to prove their speed ratings.

1. Chitose - Now fully prepared.
2. 04 - Couldn't find as much info as I was hoping, but it's still enough to make a page.
3. Feidy - Found a surprising amount of useful information and feats for her, enough to make a page around (Although in her case I might wait to post Mel's page first before posting hers, as she's used as part of the scaling chain)

And other (somewhat unrelated) updates of discoveries/not well known things that might be good to let y'all know:

The Past:
Turns out that Artery Gear: Fusion wasn't the first game in the "series" of AGs. There was a previous game that released sometime in 2014 that was the real first game, known as Armor Girls: War of the Puppet (or Armor Girls: Z Battle when it released here) which featured some of the characters that would return in Artery Gear: Fusion, albeit under slightly different names (ex: Nio was Neo, and Rela was Leila). The characters I know that returned in AGF are all 4 of the "prototypes" (Nio, Rela, Mel, and 04) as well as Lisa Autoluna, and some people also speculate Soya is there too. Only lasted till early 2017 when it fully died. Though the story seems separate enough to have it be a different page entirely if enough information is useable to create a page for them (although it seems the story from that game was fully retconned once Episode 10/11 came out if it was ever canon at all). Archives do exist, but there's 10x less information archived, and how much of that information can be used to actually make a page is unknown...but even still, its something to note. Here's some images of the character designs:

https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/1291248010159718482/1306632231770652793/fc990b96d0db69c4.png?ex=67cb0798&is=67c9b618&hm=f46c3b0bbecb189e8509a49e2d3123bd903a10cb526048f8caf5731fb3339d8c&https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/1305812456240709675/1310349309639659640/AG04.jpg?ex=67cb5e64&is=67ca0ce4&hm=a41fd9dec2a39d21dd9816afa8c6b03edfa246175d0de0fe47d093239829787b&

The FUTURE?!:
One of Bilibili's other games, Higan: Eruthyll on CN right now is doing a collab event with Artery Gear: Fusion - with specifically Alma and Hokutou being featured in the event. Hokutou is even becoming playable in the game, and possibly Alma too. It could be useful for creating a different page entirely, with possibly more accurate info it appears to have fully 3D cutscenes / animations which may push them into higher tiers than 9-A (and avoid incidents like the Satellite Weapons being uncalculatable) as well as also possibly be canon to the main story of AGF. But we'll have to see. Both on how it plays out on CN, and if/when it makes it over to global. But considering those revenue charts...even back in October 2023... and how Bilibili seems to handle their dying gachas...it may not ever see global. But we'll find out if/when they announce shutdown plans. Here's some images of the event promo:

https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/1289764133973262461/1347362815593287732/CBdUHf5.png?ex=67cb8ce8&is=67ca3b68&hm=8d4f0a8cb9d79a0dfd1e64a39d41080093a2fd5f063459eff3f454429628c98b&https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/1289764133973262461/1347362816054792202/lno7vux43E1ZKVfu0F8PtO7IO2wL_1.gif?ex=67cb8ce8&is=67ca3b68&hm=e693cd4bb406ab68eb41712c888e18030e8fb84b0d91bcee73a39589a1942572&

 

[Bossbrosish]

How would we handle collaborations like with Frame Arms Girl or AtelierRyza?

 

[TogepiYoda]

How would we handle collaborations like with Frame Arms Girl or AtelierRyza?

Most of them that are inside Artery Gear: Fusion are Onesided Crossovers, so I'd say we can make pages if we can gather enough info and have a way to scale them to in-verse characters. The only collab I would specifically rule out of ever making a page for is the Finana Ryuga collab, due to the lack of basically any scalable information.

The one that's a bit of a grey area to me is the Final Gear collab. Although they were developed by different companies, the Artery Gear team and the Final Gear team once were both in the same company, before the Artery Gear team split due to "differences in creative vision". Considering how Artery Gear: Fusion developed much of their characters early on (even ones that were released mid-late into it's life), and they likely got those same practices from their old company, so it's entirely possible Corallium was authored by an Artery Gear team member. And if it does count for anything, on top of that, both games share publishers in CN.

The Higan: Eruthyll collab unless stated otherwise is likely a Canon Crossover, since both games are made by the same company and same publisher. But not much info has surfaced on the actual event itself just yet...so whether this means much has yet to be seen.