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Meliodas vs Erza Scarlet

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Inspired by the previous Meliodas vs Erza Scarlet https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/606982 thread, although the votes got removed due to a nerf for Erza.

So I though, why not make a High 7-A Key battle for them?

So here it is.


Meliodas - Unsealed Base

Erza - Post Second Timeskip


Speed Equalized

Erza starts with one of her strongest armors (So she'll be High 7-A)


Location - Marineford


Meliodas - 8 / (Delta3000, Theglassman12, LordAizenSama, KuuIchigo, Knightofannihilation666, Yomi Schwarz, Bepo4151, Malikobama1)

Erza - 6 / (Blanked, Burning Full Fingers, Newendigo, Captain Torch, Josif1, BoomeYang)
 
Meliodas since he can null or reflect all of her magic attacks; clones; as good as if not better swordsmanship due to experience and the fact that he can fight 2 high 7-A's at the same time by himself when Erza needs help to fight just 1.
 
Attack reflection does nothing since Erza resist her own magical attacks if she even decides to use them.

Little skill advantage is easily countered by telekinesis and dozens upon dozens and even hundreds of swords that she can throw at him and same goes for his clones.

Also, Erza's Wingblade is 8 blades that give 0 ***** about Meliodas's swordsmanship as they ignore any defence and hit him directly so he ain't blocking any of those hits.

And that last argument is absurd. Irene beats both Erza and Meliodas at once and Erza alone stomps those two kings with NP as well.

Anyway, I vote for Erza due to adavantge with her telekinesis and just causal spam of dozens to hundreds of swords, her Wingblade armor with 8 blades that can't not be countered with Meliodas's sword or anything else he has to try and defend himself with, resistance on pretty much every magical attack Meliodas would reflect on her if she decided to use them in first place and because Erza can as well use range with her sword to win or just trap him in middle of dozens of sword around him.

There is also the fact she needs just one surprise attack that Meliodas doesn't full counter and she can one shot with Nakagami armor and since she Will find out about his abilty to reflect attacks she won't risk to get her Nakagami starlight reflected on her, but is simple gonna wait for the perfect opportunity if she doesn't overwhelm him with her Wingblade armor first.

Plus Meliodas using clones is on his own disadvantage since he has to half his powers and Erza has telekinetic swords and Wingblade swords to easily deal with multiple opponents that she can even one shot in that case since they are only at half of their power.
 
It's not like Erza would need Wendy's help to take on High 7-A Natsu, for example. Well, Meliodas' feat is still impressive.

His clones are useless since the more he creates, the weaker they get and reflecting Erza's magical attacks is useless like William has said.

Anyway, going with Erza for William's reasons + I believe she has the advantage in stamina and endurance?
 
Yeah, I forgot the endurance part which obviously on her side and by a lot considering Meliodas doesn't have good feats of that.

He lost conscious almost every time after getting his ass kicked a little while Erza had her bones broken, her senses taken away, her breathing was causing tremendous pain, was trotured and she still fought three battles one after another and she still kept going.
 
1) Erza can only resist 3 of her own attacks and then only by 50%. Further, if Chandler's showings against King and Mel's showing against Twigo are anything to go by full counter can reflect magical weapons as well; So that's almost all of Erza's arsenel getting reflected back at her at double power.

2) Erza TK is only good for throwing her weapons and Mel is familiar with sword spam attacks thanks to King (who is much better at it than Erza is).

3) Maybe so until Mel gets the timing down, though this assumes will use the the wingblade armour at all given that she used it only once against mooks and not anyone that it would actually be useful against like Irene or Ajeel. Erza also only uses the Nakagami armour as a finisher so she isn't going to pull it out until the end and that assumes she's winning.

4) How is it absurd? When Wendy temporarily went down Irene tanked numerous strikes from flame pants Erza with none of those strikes inflicting damage. Additionally Erza struggles with 7-A's like Ajeel dispite having high 7-A and dura ignoring equipment at her disposal which strongly implies that against Mel (who is a high 7-A that can easily fight multiple high 7-A's at the same time and stomp them in 1 v 1) she would lose.

5) As for endurance these 2 are fairly close but i have to give the edge to Mel because he has lost limbs and kept fighting.

Long story short: Mel has consistant and better feats and Erza, IC, doesn't use her abilities as well as she could (If she did she could have won her in-verse fights without plot armour and this fight would alot closer or even in her favor).
 
1. You think she will use magic ones she sees he reflects it don't make me laugh. Kings swords are created with magic, Erza's aren't. He can't reflect Gilthunders sword only his lightning.

2. Yeah, because he fought against Kings's sword spam and won... Dude that's BS there is nothing he can do against it since he never did in the first place.

3. Why would she use it against Ajeel? You see that's broken logic.

She had water and wind to counter everything he has and in the end she uses Nakagami armor to one shot. And don't pull out the bs of Erza not using Nakagami armor since she did.

4.because Irene is high end high 7-A so much above Erza and those two weak Kings Meliodas beat and is also above Meliodas. Again agaisnt Ajeel Erza loosed her magic for several minutes due to Marin who block any spatial magic so she had to suffer for couple of minutes of pure damage and when she got her magic back she overpowered him in a second with wind and water armors.

Also, since Ajeel is a hax fighter cause of intangibility and similar abilties he is a terrible example so don't use that reasoning to justify a win for Mel.

5. Mel lost his arm and that's it. That is nothing in comparison to having your bones broken, or having all your senses taken away from you or when even breathing feels as if your bones are being broken and still keep fighting, so don't go saying BS, Erza has much better endurance than he does.

6.You are using terrible reasonings. Irene is faaaar more powerful than Erza and Meliodas and Erza was still able to keep up with her until she transformed in a dragon, while Melidas beat two weak high 7-A that even Erza can easily beat in 1v2 figures Irene.

Erza used her abilties perfectly many times.(Against Ajeel,Minerva, midnight, Azuma etc...)

You reasoning of giving the win to Meliodas has no sense, cause they are in two different verses and because the diffrence in strength and abilties of the opponents they faced is absurd.

Also, you can as well not answer since your vote is based on how they did against opponents of their own verse that have nothing to do with each other and not on their actual power and abilties.
 
I vot Meliodas due to Fullcounter which returns the damage by more than 2x.

And Revenge counter can oneshot if meliodas happens to take heavy damage.

I'd also say meliodas has more sword skill and experience
 
Assuming Erza will use magical attacks after she sees full counter...

Revenge counter is a bet and also all Erza has to do its use Nakagami starlight to one shot him cause he no longer can use full counter after he deactivates his powers or even just kill him before he gathers enough energy.

Most important part is that in battle with Erza he won't even do it since he only does that when he has multiple opponents that attack him or else he can't gather enough energy to one shot his opponent.

Skill is easily countered by wing blade that hits without contact and that without at least basic precognition you can't even dodge and since he can't even block he is doomed. And there is always durabilty negation with Nakagami armor and since his regen is pretty weak it's not helping him.
 
What? Erza's powers are basically magic. How is she gonna not use it to fight?

Again with the Nakagami armor. It has never one-shotted anyone.

Meliodas via Fullcounter since Erza powers are basically magic.
 
One-shot Minerva and Ajeel...

And her swords are normal swords that she simple uses in combat so he can't reflect them. They are not created with magic, they are "normal" swords.

That's like saying he can reflect Gilthunders sword when he can only reflect his lighting.
 
1) King's weapons aren't entirely made of magic they are a piece of enchanted tree that king transforms into weapons with disaster and full counter has worked on enchanted weapons, so there's no reason to think he couldn't reflect any of Erza's enchanted weapons. As you say Erza will stop using ranged magic but that also means Erza will also stop her magic weapons too, killing any of the advantages she had by limiting her offence to the HW and flame pants swords; And this put's Mel in control of the fight which, by it's self, is enough to net him the win.

2) To my knowlage he has never fought King but Mel has seen the technique used meny times and Chandler, who has the same full counter, defened against it first go so logically Mel would also be capable of defending against magical weapon spams.

3) Stating facts is not 'broken logic'. Take the Irene example, Erza saw that her usual high 7-A attacks weren't working very well and yet she never used her durability ignore.

4) those 2 'weak' kings were capable of fighting and injuring unsealed demon Mel and transformed Chandler both of whom are 6-C meaning those 2 are, at least high end high 7-A's if not low end 6-C's like Irene is. Marin's interferace made no difference since said interferance was gone by the decisive moment of the battle, Erza didn't use her high 7-A and hax equipment and Erza needed Bisca's help to even win. How? she neged his intang.

5) Nope Mel has suffered stab wounds, broken bones and almost being bifercated and still kept fighing. further Erza keeping fighting in those instances is mostly plot armor.

6) Erza needed plot armour to do that and the only reason i can think of for Irene to be able to beat Mel in a fight is her hax and ability to disarm him.

7) I'm comparing the 2 verses characters by their profiles on this wiki and their in-verse feats not by head cannon like you.

8) Your only dismissing my reasoning by calling it BS because you cannot come up with decent counter arguments.
 
Boring...

Erza via Wingblade that ignores any defence(8 blades) and Nakagami starlight for one shot. (Bonus range and AOE through her spam of hundreds of sword that damaged even Acnologia from all people and because she doesn't need to use magic to fight so his full counter won't help him a lot and his revenge counter requires a large number of persons damaging him in order to work so he ain't using it 1v1)

And for the last time Erza's swords are not magical nor enchanted (except for elemental ones)and are different from King's weapon that's created with magic.(enchanted tree is a an actually magical tree) you clearly see King transforming his wepaons on how he pleases because they are magical wepaons while Erza can't even do that since her Weapons are just regular wepaons.(except for elemental ones)

The end.

If you wonder why i stop discussing, it's because of that number 5. Erza keeps fighting (plot armor), Meliodas keeps fighting(legit). Obvious...
 
Boring? what was my last point on the mark?

Restating points that i have already countered is not an adequate argument and really, 'Erza's swords are not magical' and enchanted and magical are different things (dispite them being synonyms in this context) are your arguments.
 
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/B...lanked-20171104161048?diff=prev&oldid=1768623

Really?

Her powers are literally called Sword Magic and she would need to use magic to do any of those special attacks like Nakagami's "one-shot" armor. So yes it uses magic.

Also, if you mean by one-shot (knock out) after they are exhausted from the fight, then sure. Because both Minerva and Ajeel were still moving/alive. Meliodas would be reflecting all that shit so he is never going to be one-shotted.
 
Did ever Meliodas was able to reflect an blade that can cut space? If not then that is kind of a fallacy..

Anyway, I'm going with Erza for now due to William reasons (Later I'm going to give my own argument).
 
@Kuul it's called sword magic(secondary magic of hers) because she utilises swords as weapons with magic as well.

Erza has both normal sword and magical swords like elemental swords or her fairy armadura swords, but swords like Wingblade and generally swords that she uses with telekinesis are regular swords, another example is her spear with her giant armor that's just a regular spear and is the armor the only thing that gives her a boost. Or the spear she uses with robe of yuen that has 0 magical properties and so on...

Erza does have magical swords but she has normal swords as well.

Minerva didn't even fight so she was completely unharmed and in perfect stamina yet a single shot destroyed her so yeah it does ignore durabilty and don't bother with it cause it was disused million times.

(The fact they are alive is because of the story, Erza has never killed anyone under any circumstance and she had many reasons to do so, also killing someone in a tournament?)
 
In any case her strongest armors requires her to use magic to actually do anything with them unless you want to tell me she can slice apart space with no magic.
 
KuuIchigo said:
In any case her strongest armors requires her to use magic to actually do anything with them unless you want to tell me she can slice apart space with no magic.
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Her most important armor here is Wingblade that ignores defences so Meliodas can't block any of its hits.

And I already said she is only gonna use Nakgami armor if she gets a perfect occasion and i can see her get one with her sword spam of dozens and even hundreds of swords that can put Mel in huge difficulty and considering Erza can requip in an instant even a single instant would be enough for her. Thou again I don't see need for Nakagami armor in the first place due to Wingblade that can both defend her and attack without even making a contact.
 
Meliodas, for reasons above

Full Counter works on King's form 5 blades, it should have no trouble countering any of Erza's ranged blades. Her Wingblade armor was never stated to ignore defenses it just slices from a range like any of a hundred other characters can do in manga. Meliodas did it to a big hill with a stick. Her Nakagami armor has never dealt any kind of damage that Meliodas can't take, its only feats are beating GMG Minerva who's fodder and beating an already injured Ajeel who's only durability feats are tanking one Jupiter Cannon blast, which is fodder compared to what Meliodas can take. Ignoring durability only goes so far before it's a no limit fallacy. Meanwhile Erza can't deal with Hellblaze. Meliodas also has far higher experience and better swordplay feats, like when he instantly diced transformed Dale into hundreds of pieces. I can't see Erza taking this.
 
You said more bs in one post than...

Ignoring durabilty one shots anyone Erza's level and don't go discussing that. (Don't like it? Your problem.)

Erza's range swords are not magical as proved before.

His skill beating Dale is same as Erza destroying Evergreen, beating a fodder doesn't give off your skill.

His flames can be counter by Nakagami armor, water attacks, and her flame emperors armor.

And since you like nerfing Erza tell me what is Meliodas gonna do about Wingblade armor that Meliodas can't block as it ignore his swords and defences and just hits his body directly.

Read the manga where it literraly says cuts without making contact.

Erza has actual sword display for diffrence of meliodas who never fought someone on his level in sword fight. The only time he did was agaisnt Hendrickosn who overpowered him and Gilthunder for couple of seconds who matched him.

His 3k years are mostly him not fighting and just living with Elisabeth in peace.
 
Except it's never one-shotted anyone that was on Erza's level. Ajeel was already damaged so he wasn't one-shot, and he was still alive. Minerva wasn't on Erza's level, that much was made very clear in the Tartaros arc.

Erza's ranged swords are just as magical as King's Increase blades are, you didn't prove shit before.

Your Evergreen example is a really disingenuous comparison. Erza has never demonstrated the swordplay Meliodas did in that fight, or in his fight against Gilthunder. Fairy Tail swordplay straight up doesn't have the extremely quick exchanges Meliodas has shown on more than one occasion.

Hellblaze isn't normal fire, Erza's armor isn't doing shit to it. It burned the Fairy King's forest despite normal fire not being able to, that right there shows Erza is screwed. Another example is the vampire king saying that if his Black Full Plate was burned then it must have been the demon clan's purgatory flame.

I haven't nerfed Erza at all, I'm just not wanking her. You haven't shown that wingblade can even harm Meliodas, because the only feat it has is defeating a featless fodder character. Not all of Erza's weapons have the same offensive power, and wingblade is completely featless.

Meliodas has never fought someone on his level? What bs. Pre-Lostvayne Meliodas was evenly matching with Gilthunder, and it was stated that both were trying to kill the other to fool Vivian, and the swordplay in that fight is more impressive than anything Erza's ever done from a pure skill standpoint.

Literally Meliodas has more experience than Erza just from a single one of his lifetimes, you can't argue that point at all.
 
Your vote is pure nerf and i hope people will ignore this.

0. Durabilty negation attacks are one-shots and there is no discussing there.(they are called durabilty negation for a reason).

1. Erza and Minerva were equal during GMG arc. So Tartarus arc is irrelevant(which again ironically they were prefectly matched)

2. Kings's sword are made out of an enchanted tree, Erza swords are bought from a shopkeeper who sells swords. One are magical other are not.

3. Erza never demonstrated swordplay? How about watching Erza vs Kagura where even Makarov like people couldn't follow the insanely fast exchange. So yes you are nerfing.

4. How can i show you when they never fought? That "fodder" was one-shotted though, something that wouldn't happen to Meliodas but he would still keep getting hit without being able to block over and over again until he is shredded to pieces.

5 Erza's armor whistand Natsu's dragon slaying flames that are far above regular flames as well. Also, you totally forgot about her water attacks and Nakagami armor that just cuts through it.

6.Gilthunder and Meliodas barely fought and Gilthunder was said to have only 2/3 of Meliodas's power yet he was overpowering Melidas.

7. Meliodas's "experience" didn't help against Gilthunder or Hendrickosn so all your arguments about his skill and experience are null at once.
 
Calling it a one-shot over and over despite having no proof that it can one-shot people on Erza's level doesn't make it true.

Tartaros was literally a few days after GMG, don't pull that bullshit. The same Erza from GMG was superior to an amped Minerva. Nakagami one-shotted someone significantly weaker than Erza. That's it. It also defeated an already injured Ajeel, so no that instance was not a one-shot.

And btw, Meliodas has shown to reflect point blank magic sword strikes before: https://imgur.com/a/tbxOb So even if I agreed that Nakagami would one-shot him, he or his clones could very easily turn it back on Erza and she'd one-shot herself.

King's spear is only made powerful because he controls it using his own magic, Disaster. Otherwise it is just stated to be harder than steel. Erza's swords are made powerful because she controls them with her magic. You're reaching so hard with this bs argument.

Chapter 314 Makarov calls Kagura's power overwhelming. I have no idea how you turned that into Makarov not following their fight. The "fastest" exchange in their fight was Erza shifting to her flight armor and making half a dozen slashes in an instant. That's less than nothing compared to this: https://imgur.com/a/sMwiG so again, I'm not nerfing, you're just misremembering and wanking.

You say wingblade would even harm Meliodas despite having no feats. I call bullshit. And I like how you quote "fodder" as if Jerome isn't actually fodder.

I didn't forget shit, water isn't doing shit to Hellblaze since it can't be extinguished normally. It had to be Absolute Cancelled by Merlin when Hendrickson hit Arthur with it. Natsu's dragon slayer fire has never shown to be able to burn things that are immune to actual fire, nor has it shown the ability to negate Regenerationn. Nakagami isn't cutting through fire that's on Erza's own body unless she wants to lop her own body parts off.

"Gilthunder and Meliodas barely fought." Did you even read NNT? They had a multi-chapter fight. "Meliodas' "experience" didn't help against Gilthunder or Hendrickson" - Again, clearly you're either purposely lying or you don't remember NNT. Meliodas was holding off Hendrickson and Gilthunder 2v1, and then Vivian came in as well, yet Mel was STILL able to hold them all off well enough to free Margaret from the Chimera.

So to summarize my reasoning -

Meliodas has demonstrably better swordplay feats. He has far more experience. He has Hellblaze that Erza doesn't have a counter for. He can Full Counter all of her ranged attacks at at least double the power. He can make Lostvayne clones to mess with her while he closes in. Erza's Nakagami's only feats are defeating someone far weaker than she is, and defeating someone who was already very injured. Her wingblade has no feats other than destroying a featless fodder character.

My vote still goes to Meliodas.
 
I am not gonna address the Nakagami armor point again. Erza=Minerva, Erza one shots Minerva.

That feat Meliodas did was against someone much slower and weaker than he is so not impressive. Erza blocked hundreds of super small needles at once while wielding sword with her arms and feet if you wanna go with feats against fodders.

Tartarus and GMG arc have weeks if not months of diffrence if you look at the episode between. Also again they were equal during Tartaros arc as well, Minerva only gave up when Erza reminded her of her past.

You are wanking hell blaze also because regenration negation adds 0 to its potency plus the tempreraure of Fire is what determines whether something can't be burned or melt with. Also, she can block the attacks with any magical attack as well.

Show me Meliodas countering a water attack if you can.

Erza's sword are controlled with telekinesis and not are not created out of magical material like that of King.

Remember also that Meliodas can't do two full counters fast one after another like how Gilthunder tricked him easily.

Wingblade armor doesn't need feats to be able to hurt Meliodas you know it can do it simple because it has that power since it's based on Erza and you should know that attacks that bypass a defence are far more dangerous just like Ban was easily able to cut of Meliodas's hand even thou Mel was much stronger back then as well.

Meliodas was overpowered super fast and needed Arthur to help him. Also, fighting 3 opponents and getting your ass kicked doesn't tell a lot about skill. If he beat them that would be another thing. Also we talk about sword fight and he couldn't overpower Gilthunder in sword fight he was matched with him.

If he can't beat Gilthunder in sword fight figures Erza and Wingblade that keeps hitting while Meliodas is helplesly trying to stop them but can't even touch them.

He freed Margaret's in that one moment he wasn't fighting them and after doing it Hendrickosn was about to kill him, but Gilthunder saved him.

You are also basing a lot on your personal point of view of their abilties ignoring what's written on the wiki and accepted by the wiki.
 
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