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Meliodas Vs Natsu
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Why are we making VS Threads this form of Meli is getting an upgrade soon i think
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So up to Unsealed Meli and BOS Natsu ?
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Natsu has a small AP advantage ig and Meli can’t transform
Meli outskill tho in terms of skills he was enough to threaten Excalibur Arthur and is also depicted as skilled enough to rivalise with Zeldris
He also is very intelligent and has good timings and his darkness abilities
In this key Natsu has shown very good heat Manip comparable to the heat of lightning which base Meli from the beginning of series could already resist
Meli can bypass regen using hellblase And has great stamina
I see the fight going like
Natsu throwing Heat based attacks And getting full countered getting his own output doubled And thrown at his face
he should get outskilled too And has no weapons Meli will harm him And negate any regen which would likely weaken Natsu that has litteraly no win condition And won’t one shot each shot will just reinforce Meli’s Revenge counter giving him a free one shot
Also does Natsu have resistance to fear Manip ?
Meli outskill tho in terms of skills he was enough to threaten Excalibur Arthur and is also depicted as skilled enough to rivalise with Zeldris
He also is very intelligent and has good timings and his darkness abilities
In this key Natsu has shown very good heat Manip comparable to the heat of lightning which base Meli from the beginning of series could already resist
Meli can bypass regen using hellblase And has great stamina
I see the fight going like
Natsu throwing Heat based attacks And getting full countered getting his own output doubled And thrown at his face
he should get outskilled too And has no weapons Meli will harm him And negate any regen which would likely weaken Natsu that has litteraly no win condition And won’t one shot each shot will just reinforce Meli’s Revenge counter giving him a free one shot
Also does Natsu have resistance to fear Manip ?
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Oh my lord another nnt battle
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Yeah someone spamming these knowing we have upgrades
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His own output gets doubled idk if he could absorb it but it still won’t be efficient i any way + Meli has a one shot win con And is as durable In terms of stamina he also has a weapon can withstand this heat casually i don’t see Natsu winning this while also being outskilled And outsmarted And having far less experience
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Meli has LS advantage too
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Also it seems like Natsu can’t eat his own fire to get stamina back it’s in his weakness section
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Unsealed Meli
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Unsealed Meli Outskill
Has better LS
Is more intelligent
Very versatile
Natsu can’t eat his own flames if full countered
And Meli resist casually to the temperatures that Natsu can produce at his strongest in this key
Meli has range with most of his attacks
And if his transformation can be used his AP doubles then can quadruple
He also tanked multiple long barrage of attacks while holding back or lowering his durability from characters stronger than him And still could fight
He has power null with vanish counter
Can one shot with revenge counter
I’m definitely voting Meliodas
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Meliodas logically outskills Natsu. This could result in a kill because Meliodas does aim at the vital spots when serious.
With a weapon Natsu has smaller chance to survive.
when it comes to magic and abilities, FC, VC and RC already gives Meliodas the upperhand.
I vote for Meliodas
With a weapon Natsu has smaller chance to survive.
when it comes to magic and abilities, FC, VC and RC already gives Meliodas the upperhand.
I vote for Meliodas
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2 fa meli
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natsu is b
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5-0 for Meli then
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Meliodas uses Hellfire
Natsu eats Hellfire
Natsu becomes 2x stronger
Natsu claps
GG
Natsu eats Hellfire
Natsu becomes 2x stronger
Natsu claps
GG
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He’ll use it when he realizes Full Counter does nothing
Also Natsu is also very intelligent and skilled in battle, so yeah, Meliodas doesn’t have superior stats in either or those cases
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Why would he use a fire attack when he'd see that a fire attack(natsu's) full countered wouldn't work?
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He only use it when in danger or in specific occasions Hellfire has Resistance negation iirc
Skill wise Natsu is noted as Gifted Meli is noted as genius he has better expérience too And Excalibur was ******** in front of him meaning he should be able to handle comp great swordmasters
Also a 2x amp won’t be enough to one tap Meli and will at best power his RC
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Excalibur failed because Arthurs skills didn’t mean shit against Mel’s raw stats
Also Natsu can one-shot someone equal to his Base with a 2x Amp, so yeah, he’d do the to Meliodas when Meliodas realizes that Full Counter is useless
All Natsu needs is one amp from Hellfire and the fights over
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On the skill thing, anyone actually able to give skill feats for Arthur with Excalibur or the sword masters inside it? Cuz if there are no feats to scale them above, it’s just meaningless fluff.
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The great swordmasters where ******** their pants inside the sword anyway Meliodas is listed > Natsu in terms of skills
How Would he one shot while being only 2x stronger than someone who could withstand hits from ppl at least 2x stronger while having 0 stats
No and Meli would not use fire seeing it’s useless when he FC it Natsu usually start with fire punches which would litteraly fuel RC Meli’s Skills will be enough his Regen will be helpful too
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He managed to fight Zel without even looking him
And We don’t even need this i used it to show the skill gap but We can see the skill gap in the profiles
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Also the 2.5 megatons value in profile is for base Meli with Lostvayne he one taps litteraly the 2.5 Megatons Wrath is higher than Lostvayne and couldn’t compete with sealed Galand that got destroyed by the used key (2x 2.6 megatons won’t even be close to one shot Meliodas)
Also Natsu is indicated to be weaker in this key than Zancrow he should then be either in the lowest Low 7-B’s or close enough to scale to 2.6 Megatons that tickles Meliodas
Natsu won’t be able to one tap and Meli won’t use fire against someone that showed immunity to it He is pretty intelligent
Meli has great stamina too he managed to take on the attacks From all the 7DS and Hendrikson for an extended period of Time even though he was far weaker than Hendrikson
He could One tap a Low 7-B at 2.5 Megatons with Lostvayne Natsu wouldn’t survive a single hit From Unsealed Meli and won’t damage him badly
He won’t be able to amp since Meli always FC first So he’ll notice the immunity
Meli Also has LS advantage
AP advantage
Skill advantage
You can defend a verse that you like but rn you realise that Natsu just can’t beat him even lowballed with these keys
Also Natsu is indicated to be weaker in this key than Zancrow he should then be either in the lowest Low 7-B’s or close enough to scale to 2.6 Megatons that tickles Meliodas
Natsu won’t be able to one tap and Meli won’t use fire against someone that showed immunity to it He is pretty intelligent
Meli has great stamina too he managed to take on the attacks From all the 7DS and Hendrikson for an extended period of Time even though he was far weaker than Hendrikson
He could One tap a Low 7-B at 2.5 Megatons with Lostvayne Natsu wouldn’t survive a single hit From Unsealed Meli and won’t damage him badly
He won’t be able to amp since Meli always FC first So he’ll notice the immunity
Meli Also has LS advantage
AP advantage
Skill advantage
You can defend a verse that you like but rn you realise that Natsu just can’t beat him even lowballed with these keys
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Decent feat but Natsu could counter Jellal’s blitz in seconds when he was so slow in comparison that he couldn’t even see Jellal. Also how skilled is Zeldris?
His profile tells me nothing about his skill. Natsu can learn Sting’s fighting style after a few minutes while also learning Rogue’s (which makes liberal use of intangibility) despite only catching glimpses of it out of his peripherals (at best) at the same time, his senses mentioned above and can drop entire combos on Jellal who can fight CHC Erza while weakened. Erza even acknowledges that Natsu is as strong as her and would beat her if he went all out during Phantom Lord. At worst, this means Natsu without his crazy senses = base Erza who can wield four swords at the same time to deflect danmaku in the hundreds > Erza with two swords who can deflect half of the danmaku in the hundreds > past Erza with one sword who can casually deflect bullets to pot every ball in a game of pool that is off to the side without looking.
The above is assuming Erza didn’t have Clear Heart Clothing and Fight Armor at the time of the statement. If she did, the chain would go Natsu = CHC Erza > (skill stomps) Unsheathed Kagura > (skill stomps) > Sheathed Kagura >> (skill stomps) Flight Armor Erza (who blitzes Kagura) > base Erza. GMG stuff included because these guys don’t show anything new/evidence of them having become more skilled prior to GMG.
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Zeldris is the best swordsman of the Demon World and strong enough with his sword talents to keep up with someone that blitzed the 2 most powerful demons of the demon clan outside DK (Chandler and Cuzack)
Meli could learn King’s ability in seconds and copy it in Istar while wounded by his passive ability
First of all why are you Using blitzes in your skill chain ? Cause if he didn’t counter it using his skills solely then it’s useless Also He is in base here
And going from the profiles Natsu is less skilled than Meli and also less intelligent
Meli has the same ability to learn very quickly but a better feat to it
Meli has more experience
Meli has shown fighting foes far stronger than him (that were trained soldiers among to top of humanity) and could beat them using his brain
Meli could 1v 3 foes equivalent to him with 2 of the most skilled knights and the most talented Mage of Lionnes that learned her spells from Merlin herself and still get to do what he wanted (He did not use DM outside of Gil’s strike)
He could completely stomp Galand
Also Unsealed Meli > Galand (Clear stomp) > Wrath Meli (Which is an upgraded version of the 2x multiplier of DM) >>> Lostvayne Meli > Albion (If he wanted he could create a cooking show using Albion as the entrance it was as easy for him to cut Albion that it would be for me a
Natsu will never be able to do shit against Unsealed Meli that can one shot people that can one shot past versions of himself that can one shot Natsu
So as a conclusion:
Meli has LS advantage
Clear AP advantage
Skill advantage (It’s in profiles)
Better accelerated dev/Adaptation
Has a 100% chance of one shot with RC
Can vanish magic
More intelligent
Can heighten his senses and all to be more efficient
He can use darkness
He can produce negative energy that nullify magic
Has a sword too which would deal more Damage than a simple punch even if they were equal in AP
People weaker than him can’t do shit against his fear Manip (Galand as an exemple could completely paralyse and overwhelm Slader that is specialized is fear manips)
If it’s bloodlusted or not in character Meli could use the soul manip the démons paralyse their « prey » when extracting their souls
While Natsu can eat fire (Not even his own) to replenish himself which Meli won’t allow seeing he can’t affect him with his Flames
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Finally a feat that is actually useable (assuming Zeldris isn’t simply faster than Chandler and Cuzack since power =/= speed).
What ability? Because if it isn’t some kind of technique with a weapon or martial arts, it doesn’t matter.
Because if you bothered to read what’s in the brackets, you’d realise that Kagura skill stomped an Erza who blitzes her. All of that was a skill chain that Natsu would be able to beat through pure skill.
All Mel’s profile says is that he is older than Natsu.
Meliodas has a better feat than learning to counter someone else’s fighting style without even looking at them?
Irrelevant unless he has experience against someone who can do what Natsu does or he is comparable to Natsu in skill which is what we are trying to establish.
Right … I’m not seeing any names or examples of skill/intelligence.
And how skilled are they?
That’s a lot of AP scaling I didn’t ask for. Stick to the skill I’m actually asking about and not go off on a tangent.
And a bunch of opinions nobody asked for.
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Skill is pretty much irrelevant given that both fighters utilize a completely different form of combat so there really isn't an argument to be made about Meliodas or Natsu outskilling the other.
Also what does Natsu's heat look like here?
Also what does Natsu's heat look like here?
