Mind haxing as an ability? Yes, because you're not physically damaging said entity, you're only manipulating the mind of said entity and bypassing their durability entirely.
We've been through this song and dance over and over and over again. Bifrost's demonstrated feats are much lower than what is outputted at the source, and Thor wasn't at the source of the Bifrost's energy either, and the actual explosion they took was demonstrably small and didn't blow up Asgard either in any sense of the word.
Strange never used it against Dormammu to wipe him out of existence.
Not all hax are the same.
The Bifrost energy beam in Thor 1 continues to shoot out of the Himinbjorg for 12 seconds AFTER Thor busts the Rainbow Bridge and causes the explosion. This is why the explosion is only multi-city-block. The Himinbjorg is shown onscreen to be siphoning energy on the other side of the explosion from the palace. The explosion is being contained in size by the energy beam's output. And that does not change the fact that the Bifrost is shown to suck in stars that are light years from each other, which base level Loki tanks falling into. All of this is literally onscreen.
Literally the only thing you can get is resistance to Black Hole Creation for Loki
Wait since when did tanking black holes give you infinite durability? Like that page doesn't even make sense. Also slapping a generic resistance label rather than actually providing a value sounds extremely lazy as well.
According to the same page: true black holes are virtually inescapable unless one can move faster-than-light and ignore conventional durability because the incredible tidal forces within the black hole approach infinity in all directions, making it virtually impossible to survive through normal means unless the target is an entire dimensional tier above the user.
Which also makes no sense. According to this page making a black hole gives you infinite power.
I think that is why black holes are ignored here. It would throw off all power scaling. Because the science per NASA states that there is no known force that can resist black holes. So if Thor and Loki tank black hole energy equivalents, that are shown to suck in stars, that makes their durability too insanely powerful to calculate.
No, according to the page surviving a real black hole that meets all these requirements would require infinite durability
Or maybe it's because black holes in fiction can be completely different from how they are in the real world
So according to you Loki survived a black hole with the same characteristics than one from the real world and therefore he should have High 3-A dura, which could scale to all the characters of the MCU?
Never? Black holes have never given you durability.
Maybe actually read the Black Hole page first?
No, it does not.
Technically speaking this could easily exceed Low 1-C if the right conditions are met. But 99% of fiction won't.
Which debunks them from being realistic black holes to begin with and thus cannot be scaled to durability in any manner whatsoever.
Not if they don't fulfill the conditions of what makes a black hole a black hole.
And why would that be 4-A dura instead of just Gravity/Black Hole Resistance?
Black hole feats are allowed if they meet all the characteristics of one from the real world, since black holes in fiction are usually completely different from how they are in the real world
Again, I think there's a distinction between what can hurt someone and what can kill them. If a fly gets in your eye, it hurts. If you accidentally swallow a fly, you will gag and that will hurt. But a fly is not going to kill you. The ultimate difference in power between you and a fly is the ultimate difference in power between Loki / Thor and anyone on Earth except Hulk during Avengers 1. Iron Man straight blasted Loki twice, and it did not even knock him out.
Iron Man's repulsor blasts directly hit Loki's chest and harmed Loki on both occasions. This is perfectly valid scaling for Iron Man's Attack Potency to Loki's Durability
This is what I wad trying to get at. I think it's an outlier, that's why it doesn't scale. Not because "but real life black holes though" we don't even fully understand real black holes, so that argument doesn't hold up.
I don't really know how you can say it harmed him when he showed no real damage. Both times he was hit he showed no lasting damage. And when Hawkeyes arrow hit him he was just outright off guard.
He also survived being thrashed by an angry Hulk like, a minute after this. If Hulk truly was a billion times stronger. Held back or not, Loki would be paste.
That's because the eye is mushy and the fly is small so surface area ***** it up a notch.
That's a gag reflex, this is not the same as getting smacked in the abdomen with an equivalent of several hundreds of tons of TNT.
Not a durability feat, black hole is not at all realistic.
Stone's potency depends on the size of the object it strikes. It isn't 5-A by default.
That's not grounds to scale, AT ALL. Man was literally floored and was moaning in agonizing pain.
Mind hax =/= AP
Bruh, Loki got one-shotted by Hulk
He legit was close to being paste tho. Thanos ******* murked him in the end so that's not saying much.
Loki straight up got brutalized by him and was in visible agony, unable to move.
technically it was like 3 hits against concrete
Getting stomped this badly alone is the biggest reason why there's no grounds to scale.
I ain't inputting on that thread if it comes out
I'm not gonna do it either.
Nothing too big, just 3-C Thor
