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Finally the CRT is over and the Celestials are now 3-C. Here is the second part to revise the P&A of the Celestials
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MCU Love & Thunder Spoiler Thread
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Well guess it’s finally time to put the crt together for Thor
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Good luck getting that accepted
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Now the big one
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Sir Marvulous rn
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Can someone post the scene of Thor talking about his dream team of gods?
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Though the calc probably doesn't sound reliable
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I don't think you can calculate stars to be that big, they'd end up as black holes as we both know, no GBEs from black holes.
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I have seen accepted calcs that use GBE to calculate Black Holes, likewise we can see Celestials creating galaxy sized suns without any problem and according to this thread GBE can be used on celestial bodies of that size
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That was for Asura's Wrath and even then DontTalkDT had massive contentions with the methods used, but he was ultimately overruled.
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3-A Thor would be World War 3 lmao
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Lacku
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Oh, since MCU Loki is directly connected to MCU Thor and various MCU cosmic level events, can someone explain to me how Loki and his variants of comparable power are all listed as base 8-A Multi-City-Block Level, when two of them together enchanted 2-A Multiverse+ Alioth?
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Alioth_(Marvel_Cinematic_Universe)
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Loki_(Marvel_Cinematic_Universe)
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Loki_(Variant_L1130)
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Sylvie_(Marvel_Cinematic_Universe)
I'm not saying Lokis need to be 2A, but seriously, even if you chop their VSBattles Tiering by half (accounting for two of them vs Alioth) shouldn't each Loki's Attack Potency be at least 4-A Multi-Solar System Level?
Even if Alioth is a dumb beast, it's a dumb beast with the intent and ability to consume multiple entire space-time universes instantly, as per VSBattles definition of the character on its webpage. This new tiering would put Lokis within realistic range of MCU Thor based on onscreen feats and statements.
As for the in-universe justification for the upgrade, in the scene just before they enchant Alioth, Loki says, "I think we're stronger than we realize." And I know you all ignore pre-Phase 4 on this thread, but base main timeline MCU Loki did tank this (note multiple stars moving from light years away):
Maybe this comes after you finish the MCU Thor CRT. But bottom line, there is no way that Multi-City-Block people using their OWN NATURAL ABILITY should be able to stop and control a Multiverse+ entity.
Unless I'm missing something? If so, please explain. Thanks.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Alioth_(Marvel_Cinematic_Universe)
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Loki_(Marvel_Cinematic_Universe)
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Loki_(Variant_L1130)
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Sylvie_(Marvel_Cinematic_Universe)
I'm not saying Lokis need to be 2A, but seriously, even if you chop their VSBattles Tiering by half (accounting for two of them vs Alioth) shouldn't each Loki's Attack Potency be at least 4-A Multi-Solar System Level?
Even if Alioth is a dumb beast, it's a dumb beast with the intent and ability to consume multiple entire space-time universes instantly, as per VSBattles definition of the character on its webpage. This new tiering would put Lokis within realistic range of MCU Thor based on onscreen feats and statements.
As for the in-universe justification for the upgrade, in the scene just before they enchant Alioth, Loki says, "I think we're stronger than we realize." And I know you all ignore pre-Phase 4 on this thread, but base main timeline MCU Loki did tank this (note multiple stars moving from light years away):
Maybe this comes after you finish the MCU Thor CRT. But bottom line, there is no way that Multi-City-Block people using their OWN NATURAL ABILITY should be able to stop and control a Multiverse+ entity.
Unless I'm missing something? If so, please explain. Thanks.
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Hax, not AP. Loki and Sylvie don't fight or harm Alioth in any way
Not how it works. Dividing a 2-A attack by two doesn't make the individual characters 4-A
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So then why is there no accounting for Hax in VSBattles Tiering? If Hax stops an opponent, controls an opponent, beats an opponent, how does it not factor into Tiering numbers?
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Because most of the time it bypasses durability. Plain and simple.
Hax
Hax is a catch-all term for abilities that can be used to ignore/bypass one or more of a target's statistics, rendering them irrelevant. The most common hax are the ones that ignore durability, and their scale/potency are unrelated to their users' AP & Tier, however, they can be measured with...
vsbattles.fandom.com
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Okay thanks, this explains why VSBattles tiers MCU high-tier feats the way it does. Bifrost moving dozens of stars each light years away would be Hax. Celestial Ego's plan to spread spores over all known inhabited planets in the universe would be Hax. Doctor Strange imprisoning 2-C Low Multiverse Dormammu in a time loop would be Hax. Wanda destroying all Darkholds across the multiverse and thus saving countless universes from rogue alt-Doctor Strange incursions would be Hax. Maybe consider that the MCU operates on Hax and your Tiering system for the biggest entertainment franchise in history unintentionally lowballs lots of its characters? Nevertheless I hope you still get MCU Thor to star-plus.Because most of the time it bypasses durability. Plain and simple.
Hax
Hax is a catch-all term for abilities that can be used to ignore/bypass one or more of a target's statistics, rendering them irrelevant. The most common hax are the ones that ignore durability, and their scale/potency are unrelated to their users' AP & Tier, however, they can be measured with...
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You do realize that not every verse is Dragon Ball where hax is brute-forced with strength alone, right? Being a higher tier doesn't automatically make you immune to hax unless existential layer dimensional shenanigans become involved.
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That enchanting thing they're doing is a feat that requires them to peer into the victims mind and grab hold of a memory. That kind of hax isn't applicable for Tiering or Attack Potency
Moving stars is perfectly acceptable. We accepted it for Khonshu
Ego's Expansion is also accepted as Environmental Destruction
The Time Stone's time loop is listed under its Attack Potency, so I guess it's fine?
The type hax that Wanda used to destroy the Darkhold can't be used for Attack Potency
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First one is straight up hax, doesn't have range or AP.
The second and third ones are definitely AP since there is physical movement involved (Even though Khonshu didn't physically move them with his bare hands he still did move the stars with magic powers to a considerable extent). Ego's expansion is literally brute force movement.
As for the Time Stone, pretty sure that should be a hax thing but the range is definitely upto the mark.
As for the last one, that's still range.
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Yeah but there are Hax and then there are Hax. Random dudes who through no ability of their own hit Superman with Kryptonite is a pure Hax that should not scale to that random dude's power. But Thor's BODY tanked the Bifrost energy beam as it was sucking in stars. Strange is the only known sorcerer except Agomoto to figure out how to use the Time Stone against Dormammu. Ego itself and its own DNA in Quill caused the Expansion across the universe. Wanda is stated onscreen is to be able to enslave or destroy the multiverse. I'm just saying that the MCU has committed to imbedding what you call Hax as inherent to their main characters' powers.
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That's more of a skill thing than an AP thing, Dormammu just didn't have any protection against being trapped in a time loop
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Apparently powerful enough artifacts are capable of impacting Dormammu, such as Infinity Stones, but yeah. Not sure whether that's AP
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Kryptonite isn't even hax, it's literally a weakness
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That's not hax. That's taking advantage of a weakness
Like what Aguywhodoesthings said: That's skill, not AP
Perfectly fine
This is addressed here. It is possible to use it, but extremely pointless at the same time
And it's perfectly fine depending on the type of hax. Something like Memory/Mind Manipulation in the case of Sylvie's enchanting is a big no. Something like Spatial Manipulation in the case of Khonshu's star feat is fine
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OK, just to be 100% clear, are we saying that a character's ability to stop and control a multiversal entity who was about to destroy that character does not impact the character's Tier?
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Yes, because Sylvie and Loki can't scale their Memory/Mind Manipulation to the 2-A Attack Potency of Alioth
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If they can physically harm him, then we're talking business.
