MCU Love & Thunder Spoiler Thread

[Qawsedf234]

What 4-C

Some people were very adamant that Gorr was moving around a sun rather than the planet being rotated.

If that scaling is accepted it'll be Tier 4. In my view they shouldn't even really be upgraded to a whole new tier but if they are the most they qualify for is scaling to the Tier 5 feat from the Egyptian Pantheon.

 

[Lacku]

What 4-C

Also this shit is so hilarious, mfs were ok with a septillion gap between High 6-C and 4-C but 3-C is where yall draw the line

I think the reason why some of us want to settle for tier 5/4 is that its too hard to convince people to agree with the 3-C rating but I think we should at least try, I mean if Freeza can go from 4-C to 3-A just by training for 4 months why can't Thor ¯\_ (ツ) _/¯

 

[Propellus]

I think the reason why some of us want to settle for tier 5/4 is that its too hard to convince people to agree with the 3-C rating but I think we should at least try, I mean if Freeza can go from 4-C to 3-A just by training for 4 months why can't Thor ¯\(ツ)/¯

That's completely different, we can't always apply the same logic from other verses, that just isn't how things work

 

[Lacku]

That's completely different, we can't always apply the same logic from other verses, that just isn't how things work

That wasn't what I meant when I said that, I mean that we have actual justifications for Thor being 3-C so why don't we at least try and keep the tier 5/4 rating as a backup

 

[Qawsedf234]

actual justifications for Thor being 3-C

No we don't. Nothing stated in the movie implies either Thor or Gorr scale to a Celestial.

 

[Lacku]

Also this is the first time in the MCU we've actually seen Thor train, and the time between Endgame and L&T isn't really specified so it makes it easier for us to say that Thor's gotten this strong via training for so many years

 

[Lacku]

No we don't. Nothing stated in the movie implies either Thor or Gorr scale to a Celestial.

Have we completely dropped the Celestials being in Omnipotence City allowing Zeus to scale

 

[Qawsedf234]

Have we completely dropped the Celestials being in Omnipotence City allowing Zeus to scale

Yes, because Zeus was never stated to be more powerful than them.

 

[RoTt35]

Thor is going to be "At least 5-A, likely High 5-A, possibly 4-C, at most 3-C" at this point

 

[Lacku]

Thor is going to be "At least 5-A, likely High 5-A, possibly 4-C, at most 3-C" at this point

real

 

[Lacku]

Yes, because Zeus was never stated to be more powerful than them.

right well if that's the case I guess tier 4/5 is fine then

 

[Lacku]

Also, the Stormbreaker from L&T really shouldn't be backscaled to Phase 3 Thor

the thing is Stormbreaker is a weapon with a set strength, it isn't like Mjolnir where it's only as powerful as Thor

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

just to start some conversation again here's some updates I made to my sandbox for Thor and Mighty Thor now that Celestials are 3-C

Love & Thunder sandboxes

vsbattles.fandom.com

Yeah, I have zero confidence with scaling Thor and co. to the Celestials. It's probably best they just upscale from Egyptian Gods

Btw, Jane Foster's feat hasn't been evaluated yet and has a bunch of new ends, so I wouldn't add it to the profiles as MFTL+ yet

Jane Foster circumnavigates Earth

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Lacku]

Alright for now I've changed Thor and Jane's ratings from 3-C to "At least 5-A, possibly 4-C" since Gorr maybe moved that sun. Also I changed their lifting strength to "At least Pre-Stellar" since they upscale the Egyptian Gods now. I left the speed rating the same though since the calc. for Jane circling the world hasn't got an accepted end yet.

Love & Thunder sandboxes

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Qawsedf234]

left the speed rating the same though since the calc. for Jane circling the world hasn't got an accepted end yet.

Looks like a lot of the ends are wrong anyways. The scene cuts from the dead of night to morning. She didn't do it in a couple seconds but over the course of a few hours.

All of the MFTL+ ends were also rejected by DMUA and suggested the ends be changed, which maxes out at different levels of Rel.

 

[Lacku]

Once a specific Rel. end gets accepted I'll adjust it, until then I need to fix most of the links showing off feats since a bunch got taken down.

 

[ParkerKent007]

I know you guys won't accept this, but I'm still putting it here for the record. (As you read, keep in mind that in Thor 1, the Bifrost was affecting THREE GALAXIES AT THE SAME TIME: Asgard's home galaxy, Earth's home galaxy, and Jotunheim's home galaxy.)




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1. On Disney+, Thor 1 director Kenneth Bragnagh describes Mjolnir as having the power of a "galactic nuclear explosion," which he says the movie will show. This is a real astrophysics term used by PhDs describing the formation of galaxies:





https://arxiv.org/pdf/0801.4809.pdf

"Our Milky Way galaxy has two pairs of arms, and has the 180 degree rotational symmetry, indicating that we have had two galactic nuclear explosions."


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2. The official audio description in Thor 1 on Disney+ describes Loki as falling into a "gas cloud" in "outer space":





NASA says these gas clouds can have mass equal to billions of suns and even the mass of every star in the entire galaxy, that gas clouds themselves FORM STARS, and that gas clouds SURROUND BLACK HOLES:

https://chandra.harvard.edu/press/12_releases/press_092412.html

https://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/starsgalaxies/08jan_antennae.html

https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/chandra/multimedia/ngc6240.html

https://www.nasa.gov/topics/universe/features/smallest_blackhole.html

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3. I've previously shown real world science for Einstein-Rosen Bridge wormholes (Jane's onscreen description of the Bifrost) as needing multi solar energy.





https://chandra.harvard.edu/resources/faq/black_hole/bhole-4.html

https://jila.colorado.edu/~ajsh/bh/schww.html

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4. We have the director making a star-level plus statement, the official movie audio describing a star-level plus event, and an in-universe character describing a star-level plus event. Then there's this scene. If it does not show stars moving, WHAT ARE THESE WHITE DOTS MOVING ONSCREEN?

 

[Lacku]

me when I fall into a gas cloud (notice the moving white dots)

 

[RoTt35]

K.E.V.I.N. negs wanked Thor

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

But can he beat Goku

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

But can he beat Goku

The better question is, can he beat Steven Seagal?

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

The better question is, can he beat Steven Seagal?

Steven Seagal No Diffs while sitting down eating a carrot

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

I'm not sure which of the two low ends that KLOL accepted, but it's something

Jane Foster circumnavigates Earth

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[NHTkenshin2]

God damn

 

[NaturalDestroyer]

That would only scale to post-training Thor and anybody who fought him or Gorr, right?

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

That would only scale to post-training Thor and anybody who fought him or Gorr, right?

It will scale to Jane, Thor, Gorr, Valkyrie, Mjolnir and Stormbreaker

Though Valkyrie's speed scaling needs to be addressed considering she has Relativistic+ scaling but is currently only Massively Hypersonic+

Massively Hypersonic+ combat speed and reactions (Comparable to Loki. Easily dodged an attack from the Hulk and briefly blitzed him. Deflected Hela's swords and managed to land a hit on her)

 

[NaturalDestroyer]

It will scale to Jane, Thor, Gorr, Valkyrie, Mjolnir and Stormbreaker

Though Valkyrie's speed scaling needs to be addressed considering she has Relativistic+ scaling but is currently only Massively Hypersonic+

Valkyrie should definitely be Relativistic+. She's always been treated as a top tier in regards to combat speed

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

I’m pretty close to finishing the crt, I might post later on today or tomorrow

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Valkyrie should definitely be Relativistic+. She's always been treated as a top tier in regards to combat speed

True, though Loki would scale to her, which would end up causing all Massively Hypersonic+ characters to become Relativistic+

Massively Hypersonic+ reaction and combat speed (Kept up with Thor and Captain America. Dodged a blow from Thor. Reacted to Captain America's shield throw. Matched Valkyrie)

 

[NaturalDestroyer]

True, though Loki would scale to her, which would end up causing all Massively Hypersonic+ characters to become Relativistic+

Yeah, that would be a problem

 

[Qawsedf234]

Valkyrie should definitely be Relativistic+.

She would just need a L&T key or a separate rating with the Thunderbolt of Zeus.

 

[RoTt35]

Personally I think that for the L&T CRT we should go with "5-A, possibly 4-C" Thor, and if it goes well, whoever wants can make another CRT to try to scale Thor to the Celestials at 3-C

 

[Lacku]

Alright for now I've changed Thor and Jane's ratings from 3-C to "At least 5-A, possibly 4-C" since Gorr maybe moved that sun. Also I changed their lifting strength to "At least Pre-Stellar" since they upscale the Egyptian Gods now. I left the speed rating the same though since the calc. for Jane circling the world hasn't got an accepted end yet.

Love & Thunder sandboxes

vsbattles.fandom.com

alright I updated the sandboxes for Thor and Jane to have their proper speed values now, all they need before they're fully ready is a couple youtube links and then we should be good for a CRT

 

[NaturalDestroyer]

alright I updated the sandboxes for Thor and Jane to have their proper speed values now, all they need before they're fully ready is a couple youtube links and then we should be good for a CRT

Looks pretty solid. Are you planning on adding that he upscales from the Egyptian Gods as a justification for his L&T physicals?

 

[Lacku]

Looks pretty solid. Are you planning on adding that he upscales from the Egyptian Gods as a justification for his L&T physicals?

I put in that he one-shotted zeus and I'm assuming once zeus gets a profile that justification will be there for him but in fairness I should probably put that in there for thor's profile too

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Personally I think that for the L&T CRT we should go with "5-A, possibly 4-C" Thor, and if it goes well, whoever wants can make another CRT to try to scale Thor to the Celestials at 3-C

To late I’m gonna drop the 3-c crt in a min

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Crt

https://vsbattles.com/threads/mcu-thor-and-friends-should-scale-to-celestials.143847/

 

[NaturalDestroyer]

I put in that he one-shotted zeus and I'm assuming once zeus gets a profile that justification will be there for him but in fairness I should probably put that in there for thor's profile too

That would make sense. I just saw that there wasn't a detailed justification for his durability

 

[Lacku]

okay so both thor and janes pages are basically done, I added links leading to feats and adjusted thor's ap justification to note that zeus upscales the egyptian gods

Love & Thunder sandboxes

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Lacku]

I just saw that there wasn't a detailed justification for his durability

that's been taken care of