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like its so obvious they are the same,
IFKR, SMFHPeeps after reading the profile notes:
what?
After No Way Home, Strange's spell somehow teleported the Vulture into the Sony Marvel Universe
There
Thanks comrade
I thought it was supposed to bring in people to the MCU, not send them out.
Marvel Stans to Sony after they got the Vulture:
Doesn’t Wakanda Files mention Coulson is alive like in Shield
It does, yes.
It really should've been the easiest thing to grasp, too
Literally @Starbrand_Fan's meme in a nutshell.
Well, Goblin, Electro, Ock, and Lizard all become variants due to diverging from their original timeline. The Peters are the same ones as before. Sandman is a weird grey areaLiterally @Starbrand_Fan's meme in a nutshell.
*Interviews, official NWH twitter, Marvel's official website, the ******* script, VENOM, MORBIUS
Lizard and Sadman don't die tho
Lizard is still taken from during the events of The Amazing Spider-Man, prior to him being cured (Depending on when, it'll create massive changes to the story). Just by going to an alternate universe already makes him a variant of his original universe counterpart. Sandman comes from the future, personally, I like to believe he comes from the same universe/time as Tobey (Mostly due to the line "Peter, its me! Flint Marko! You Remember?" implying to that it's been some since Peter and Marko have seen each, 22 years seems like a decently long time to forget someone's name.
Epic Fail
None of this supports them being variants though. They’re just the same versions from their canon series’
They experience events that the original versions did not, so no, they are definitely variants (They still scale off of their original counterparts feats though)
This proves nothing tho, only that they were plucked from different points in time from their respective universes.
I doubt Parker would ever forget the face of the man who accidentally killed his uncle, whom he then forgave because the murder wasn't meant to happen.
Experience events like what? Because they face nothing different in their timeline up until the very end of NWH. So really, they only become variants after NWH comes to its climax because the Spider-Men change their foes' fates.
Dude....how many times do we have to clarify this....
This basically
Pretty much. They are pretty much the original versions until their fates are changed. So if the foes were sent back by Strange without being fixed, they'd die just like we were shown in the movie.
When the hell did Norman Osborn travel to a different universe in the first Spider-Man? Most've been watching a different version of the movie. They're played by the same actors as the original and have the same powers and abilities. But the second they traveled to a different universe, they became variants.
Cool, Venom becomes a variant too then, and so does the other two Spideys despite the script, Marvel themselves and the official twitter saying otherwise.
....Did we....watch the same film....? Because you're saying stuff that straight up does NOT translate to the conversation.
LITERALLY THE GODDAMN CRUX OF MY ARGUMENT.
Venom and the other Spider-Men aren't variants, you aren't ******* listening.
Idk why you're even bringing this up when it isn't relevant.....
No, you're the one not listening. THE VILLAINS ONLY BECOME VARIANTS AFTER THEY DEFY THEIR FATE. I.E. RIGHT WHERE OCK GETS FIXED AND GETS THE ARC REACTOR, AND RIGHT WHERE ELECTRO GETS FIXED.
Read above.
And their fates are not changed. AT ALL.
Not until they actually defy their fate, STRANGE LITERALLY SAYS THAT IT'S THEIR FATE TO DIE FIGHTING SPIDER-MAN, until the Spider-Men themselves defy it.
No, you become a variant for deviating from what the TVA used to consider the Sacred Timeline. And in No Way Home, you become a variant by defying your fate and changing your future.
