MCU 8-C AP / Lifting Strength revision

[KLOL506]

It either gets a bloated number that we can't use or it just reconfirms its a Class 50 feat.

Either way just sticking with "Can throw a 20+ ton Vault Door" is fine for our standards.

Hmmmm, how about a At least Class 25, possibly Class 50? Since it's pretty apparent we might not be able to measure the area affected on the hinges at all? It's not like Ock did it simultaneously and I don't think it'd use tensile strength, it'd use shear strength since it was more so of a sliding failure (The metal getting ripped by the sides instead of parallel to its front or rear like a tug of war.

Then again the arms did overpower MCU Spidey and the other Spideys also don't stand a chance against the arms so uh...

Train has already been calced by like, university professors and the like. I don't think we can realistically get a better number for it.

Has it? Can I see the value?

 

[Qawsedf234]

d the other Spideys also don't stand a chance against the arms so uh...

It depends. Raimi Spider-Man overpowered the arms for example.

Has it? Can I see the value?

Sure

 

[KLOL506]

Sure

Wait, it's not that one I'm talking about.

Was talking about the door frames that Ock brutally bent out of the way.

 

[KLOL506]

It depends. Raimi Spider-Man overpowered the arms for example.

He didn't exactly get free from them tho. And in 2.1 he was being slowly overpowered even before the billboards came in and started smacking him, and then there's obviously the final warehouse fight where he'd be a shish-kebab if he didn't use the wires below him.

 

[Qawsedf234]

He didn't exactly get free from them tho.

No, I was just saying that he was capable of still moving despite being restrained, even if he's ultimately weaker than the arms.

Was talking about the door frames that Ock brutally bent out of the way.

Oh, then idk.

 

[KLOL506]

No, I was just saying that he was capable of still moving despite being restrained, even if he's ultimately weaker than the arms.

I guess it doesn't make much of a difference then.

Oh, then idk.

Sad.

 

[KLOL506]

BTW, should we assume 5 meters height between the jet bridge and the ground? This site tells me that jet bridges usually operate at that level.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

I found a Class K calc of Spider-Man catching the jet bridge. Are there any issues with it?

 

[Qawsedf234]

I found a Class K calc of Spider-Man catching the jet bridge. Are there any issues with it?

It assumes it's made of solid steel and is less hollow than it is.

Now what's the issue with that? You may ask. The issue is that the calc assumes the jet bridge is 50 tons heavier than the maximum safe take off weight of passenger 747. It's demonstrably not that heavy.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Okay lets just try and wrap this all up so we can move on to other CRTs:

AP

Captain America (Current):

Attack Potency: Building level (Can harm Black Panther, who could tank blasts capable of destroying tanks without his suit. Defeated Spider-Man, who was capable of fighting the Green Goblin and enduring his Pumpkin Bombs at point-blank range, and could have easily beaten him if he wanted to according to Iron Man. Fought against Red Skull, who can draw blood from him despite being enhanced with a weaker version of the Super Soldier Serum. Harmed Winter Soldier. Superior to Centipede soldiers who can blast open shipping containers. Can break reinforced glass with no trouble. Destroyed a jeep by throwing a bike at it. Harmed his past version, though he was eventually overpowered he was likely holding back. Destroyed part of a highway pillar by throwing Ultron into it. Can easily shatter Ultron Sentries)

Captain America (Update)

Attack Potency: Building level (Gave Spider-Man a black eye and was capable of defeating him. Fought against Red Skull, who can draw blood from him despite being enhanced with a weaker version of the Super Soldier Serum. Harmed Winter Soldier. Can break reinforced glass with no trouble. Destroyed a jeep by throwing a bike at it. Harmed his past version. Destroyed part of a highway pillar by throwing Ultron into it. Can easily shatter Ultron Sentries)

Black Panther

Building level physically (Was near the perimeter of a huge explosion and took little damage, took hits from the Winter Soldier. Survived being rammed by vibranium maglevs at top speed while his suit was disabled. Brushed off Ulysses Klaue's cannon-blast, which can destroy vibranium cars. Was able to resist several of Black Widow's Taser Disks

To

Building level physically (Took hits from the Winter Soldier without his suit, was near the perimeter of a huge explosion and took little damage. Survived being rammed by vibranium maglevs at top speed while his suit was disabled. Brushed off Ulysses Klaue's cannon-blast, which can destroy vibranium cars. Was able to resist several of Black Widow's Taser Disks

Claw becomes

At least Small Building level with arm cannon (Can fragment Vibranium cars which would require at least this much energy)

Everyone else is based on scaling to BP or Cap, so once they're changed most other justifications will be fine

Lifting Strength

Cap Tier people

• Lifted a Car (Class 5)
• Flipped a metal truck waste container (Class 1 to 5)
• Superior to Falcon who stopped a Armored Truck from falling (Barely Class 10)

Spider-Man tier

• Scaling to Doc Ock (Class 25 to 50 for the Vault)
• Train feat (Class 25)
• Goblin Lifting the air trams (Class 25 with one arm and Class 50 if you go with both arms)
• Jet Bridge Feat (Class 50 WHEN KLOL UPLOADS HIS CALC)
• Crane Pull (Class 25 to Class 50)

Iron Man tier (in his non-terrible armors)

• Flips a tank (Class 100)
• War Machine lifts a tank (Class 50)
• War Machine lifts a hammer tank (Likely Class 100)

Is everyone good with these changes.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Looks good to me.

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Looks fine to me aswell

 

[Dalesean027]

Yup these are fine

 

[KLOL506]

Okay lets just try and wrap this all up so we can move on to other CRTs:

AP

Captain America (Current):

Captain America (Update)

Black Panther

To

Claw becomes

Everyone else is based on scaling to BP or Cap, so once they're changed most other justifications will be fine

Looks fine.

Lifting Strength

Cap Tier people

• Lifted a Car (Class 5)
• Flipped a metal truck waste container (Class 1 to 5)
• Superior to Falcon who stopped a Armored Truck from falling (Barely Class 10)

Spider-Man tier

• Scaling to Doc Ock (Class 25 to 50 for the Vault)
• Train feat (Class 25)
• Goblin Lifting the air trams (Class 25 with one arm and Class 50 if you go with both arms)
• Jet Bridge Feat (Class 50 WHEN KLOL UPLOADS HIS CALC)
• Crane Pull (Class 25 to Class 50)

Crane pull might wield Class K (Some of the crawler cranes I looked up weigh in excess of 100 tons, need to confirm it later), there's also this (Though this only scales to his peak self, it shoud not scale to his base), also I'm pretty sure we agreed that Cap tier people should scale to Spidey in LS as well.

Also some of the gifs need to be uploaded to imgur, gfycat is banned.

Iron Man tier (in his non-terrible armors)

• Flips a tank (Class 100)

Class 50, those are Soviet T-54/T-55 tanks.

• War Machine lifts a tank (Class 50)
• War Machine lifts a hammer tank (Likely Class 100)

Is everyone good with these changes.

Seems fine at a glance I suppose.

 

[KLOL506]

It assumes it's made of solid steel and is less hollow than it is.

Now what's the issue with that? You may ask. The issue is that the calc assumes the jet bridge is 50 tons heavier than the maximum safe take off weight of passenger 747. It's demonstrably not that heavy.

That and we already have a stated weight for jet bridges, which is, roughly 27-30 metric tons?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Class 50, those are Soviet T-54/T-55 tanks.

F

Also some of the gifs need to be uploaded to imgur, gfycat is banned.

Can do

also I'm pretty sure we agreed that Cap tier people should scale to Spidey in LS as well.

Honestly I'm just not really for that. Not only would scaling be massively above every single one of their other feats, they've struggled doing much less and Civil War already has its scaling consistency issues. A possibly higher rating wouldn't hurt though I guess.

That and we already have a stated weight for jet bridges, which is, roughly 27-30 metric tons?

Depends

• ~28 Tons
• 31 tons

The first site has other models that also vary from 25 to 30 tons.

But not 242 tons. That's like a medium sized naval boat or something.

 

[KLOL506]

Lifting Strength

Cap Tier people

• Lifted a Car (Class 5)

Yeah uh this was deemed unusable because of the reasons Spino and I came to.

Firstly, Cap was in a disastrous position, he was hanging for dear life from one of those rebars.

Second, he was holding onto the weakest link in the car, the bumper, AKA he would not be able to focus his might into the car compared to if he actually grabbed it at a strong point in the chassis. So if he applied more of his strength the bumper would just snap.

• Flipped a metal truck waste container (Class 1 to 5)

Prolly a Class 5 but didn't require that much effort for Alexei I believe. So it can't be an upper showing.

• Superior to Falcon who stopped a Armored Truck from falling (Barely Class 10)

Vibranium variant, not his normal old Carbon Fiber one.

Honestly I'm just not really for that. Not only would scaling be massively above every single one of their other feats, they've struggled doing much less and Civil War already has its scaling consistency issues. A possibly higher rating wouldn't hurt though I guess.

I don't agree with that. Spidey clearly struggled in the web tug of war against Cap, and even then Spidey's best Class K showing has him struggling immensely, notably the Building feat, while most of his feats land in the Class 25-50-100 range at best.

Depends

• ~28 Tons
• 31 tons

The first site has other models that also vary from 25 to 30 tons.

Yeah, figured it out.

Also, here's a link for various crawler crane weights. It can't be Class K range because I believe those are too big compared to what we saw in FFH.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Firstly, Cap was in a disastrous position, he was hanging for dear life from one of those rebars.

I'm not calling it an anti-feat. What failed was the bumper, not Cap. Its just that lifting a Car is a Class 5 feat.

I don't agree with that.

Do you have any showings from any other Cap tier person close to anything the Spider-Men have done? This also isn't the best version of Spider-Man, but one that's super young and made constant mistakes in his early career.

Vibranium variant, not his normal old Carbon Fiber one.

F

So it can't be an upper showing.

Like with Cap I wasn't saying it was an upper showing, its just a Class 1 to 5 feat

 

[KLOL506]

I'm not calling it an anti-feat. What failed was the bumper, not Cap. Its just that lifting a Car is a Class 5 feat.

Again, reason Cap suffered to pull up the car was because of the bumper and was not able to put all his might into it.

Do you have any showings from any other Cap tier person close to anything the Spider-Men have done? This also isn't the best version of Spider-Man, but one that's super young and made constant mistakes in his early career.

There's the log-splitting feat which IIRC Spino said wielded Class 10, prolly need to check what diameter of the log that Cap tore in half. I think it's from here. Also there's Black Panther who stopped a bunch of oversized rhinos with ease and can push aside car roofs of heavily armed Toyota RAV4s without problems.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Again, reason Cap suffered to pull up the car was because of the bumper and was not able to put all his might into it.

Again, I get that. But the feat is a Class 5 showing.

There's the log-splitting feat which IIRC Spino said wielded Class 10, prolly need to check what diameter of the log that Cap tore in half. I think it's from here. Also there's Black Panther who stopped a bunch of oversized rhinos with ease and can push aside car roofs of heavily armed Toyota RAV4s without problems.

Yeah those would help out a lot.

 

[KLOL506]

Again, I get that. But the feat is a Class 5 showing.

And again, it can't be an upper showing either.

Yeah those would help out a lot.

Diameter is over 12 in, Class 10 solidly. Problem is... I can't access the site without a VPN so it's kinda a hassle, and archive.org is banned in my place so I need help with that.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Diameter is over 12 in, Class 10 solidly. Problem is... I can't access the site without a VPN so it's kinda a hassle, and archive.org is banned in my place so I need help with that.

 

[KLOL506]

Thank you.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Okay lets just try and wrap this all up so we can move on to other CRTs:

AP

Captain America (Current):

Captain America (Update)

Black Panther

To

Claw becomes

Everyone else is based on scaling to BP or Cap, so once they're changed most other justifications will be fine

Lifting Strength

Cap Tier people

• Lifted a Car (Class 5)
• Flipped a metal truck waste container (Class 1 to 5)
• Superior to Falcon who stopped a Armored Truck from falling (Barely Class 10)

Spider-Man tier

• Scaling to Doc Ock (Class 25 to 50 for the Vault)
• Train feat (Class 25)
• Goblin Lifting the air trams (Class 25 with one arm and Class 50 if you go with both arms)
• Jet Bridge Feat (Class 50 WHEN KLOL UPLOADS HIS CALC)
• Crane Pull (Class 25 to Class 50)

Iron Man tier (in his non-terrible armors)

• Flips a tank (Class 100)
• War Machine lifts a tank (Class 50)
• War Machine lifts a hammer tank (Likely Class 100)

Is everyone good with these changes.

I agree to this.

 

[Lonkitt]

Okay lets just try and wrap this all up so we can move on to other CRTs:

The update for Cap looks good since the other one may give off the impression him and Peter aren't at the same AP value

Black Panther looks good

Klaue looks good

 

[Therefir]

Class 25 for Cap?

Edit: Oh it's only for green, Class 10 it is.

 

[KLOL506]

Class 25 for Cap?

Edit: Oh it's only for green, Class 10 it is.

We're looking for more feats. Mostly on BP's side.

 

[Lonkitt]

I also think that Emil Blonsky needs to get upgraded to 8-C. At first he only had a smaller serum dosage, but he received a larger one after regenerating. The doses he took certainly had the differences in side effects compared to what Steve got, but he shouldn't be any weaker

 

[KLOL506]

I made the Jet Bridge feat calc.

Captain America Civil War: Jet Bridge Shenanigans

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Qawsedf234]

From what I read the rhinos BP fought were White Rhinos, which has aax average weight of 2,500 kilograms for the males.

So nothing for him seems beyond Class 5 without scaling.

 

[KLOL506]

From what I read the rhinos BP fought were White Rhinos, which has aax average weight of 2,500 kilograms for the males.

So nothing for him seems beyond Class 5 without scaling.

Those were enhanced with the Vibranium Soil fruits and grew bigger than average.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Those were

But not enough to push what BP did to them into Class 10.

The only feat seems to be Falcon's that no one scales to and the wood feat.

 

[KLOL506]

There's the I-beam, we prolly need to look for more feats, like BP tearing the car roof or something.

 

[Qawsedf234]

There's the I-beam

The entire thing is above Class 10, but Cap just barely lifted a single part of it and just enough for WS to escape. It can be accomplished without Cap needing to bench press the entire weight basically.

 

[Lonkitt]

Just a recommendation. For MCU Spider-Man's AP, I suggest we change the part about him fighting Cap to "Could harm Captain America". I cannot tell you how many threads still think the three Peters are only Pumpkin Bomb level

 

[Propellus]

Just a recommendation. For MCU Spider-Man's AP, I suggest we change the part about him fighting Cap to "Could harm Captain America". I cannot tell you how many threads still think the three Peters are only Pumpkin Bomb level

Then just add the calc to Cap's durability to their verses

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Then just add the calc to Cap's durability to their verses

It's already there

 

[Propellus]

It's already there

I meant the Raimi and TASM verse pages

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

I meant the Raimi and TASM verse pages

Oh yeah i guess that'd work

 

[Lonkitt]

I meant the Raimi and TASM verse pages

Huh, never considered that.....good suggestion