Nah, Sandman never dies, and visibly remembers Peter's name and is straight up friendly to him, so he's definitely not a variant, he'd be hailing from around the same time period as Tobey.
Yes, I brought that up before but there is no real confirmation about it, so that's why he's a grey area
With a big asterisk: ONLY AT THE END OF NWH WHEN THEY GET CURED AND NO LONGER DIE AFTER GOING BACK. Up until then, they're the same original villains we saw in the movie, much like how the Loki in Loki is the same exact Loki until he defies his fate to be imprisoned on Asgard and then eventually get murdered by Thanos via the Snap. Just one event alone doesn't change shit, you'd need to change your entire timeline of events for this to work. Let's not forget that the interviews exist.
Lizard is a different story. He meets his fate and doesn't die, just that it happens in a different universe, so he's plonked back to where Spider-Man is about to fall and saves him, and the universe goes on as usual without as much of a smidge on its record.
So, they're still ******* variant, we just don't agree at what point they become variant (What a wonderfully useful arguement that we're having which totally has an affect on what character scale to what)
We don't know when Lizard was taken from though, there is some evidence for when he was in the sewer and some evidence for the tower.
Variants can be really ******* similar to their main counterparts, not everything has be a massive change.
Kind of why this scene exists (Loki was never originally at Pompei in the main timeline, thus making it a seperate universe, but since that the difference in that universe is so ******* miniscule it really doesn't matter.
No, it wouldn't, if Gobby were returned back to his original universe like that he would still die and his fate would still be sealed and the timeline would go on as usual. What he does on the other universe is no longer of concern to the other already-branched timeline which is now free from the Sacred Timeline's influence.
Point is, they aren't variants until by the end of the movie when Spider-Man changes them up to no longer die.
Events that are connected to their own fate. Like Classic Loki going undetected all those years and only getting caught because he wanted to see his brother Thor again, something he never got the right to do.
Norman getting cured is a massive change and Norman who doesn't get cured but still went to an alternate universe is a much smaller change, they're both variants just on two different levels
Classic Loki survived but wasn't arrested because he ****** off to a desolate planet where he didn't interact with another life form. Everyone still thought he was dead and wasn't doing anything to drastically change the sacred timeline. He's still a variant and became even more of one the second he tried to visit Thor.
Lets do this as an example, Sasha in one universe decides to paint her nails orange, a variant of Sasha decides to get her nails paint purple. Both Sashas live their lives almost the exact same as each other with the one difference being that one had orange nails that one time and the other had purple. As long as getting purple nails doesn't lead to any drastic change, Sasha 2 is allowed to be a variant without disrupting the sacred timeline (The sacred timeline no longer exists though, meaning variant can do whatever the **** they want)
What? Why would Ock die? He's seen the Arc Reactor in action, he's certainly smart enough to know how to use it at a safe distance. Also he's already lost an arm to Goblin.
And Electro dying after being depowered literally makes no sense. He can't get overloaded anymore if he can't even manipulate electricity to begin with due to being permanently discharged.
Same for Goblin, he'd have no real reason to fight Spider-Man anymore given he's been cured of his insanity. Do you even read what you're saying?
Who said anything about Goblin? I only used Electro and Ock
Electro's situation still seems pretty deadly for a normal person, seems like he'd still be electrocuted to hell a back
Ock would still need to drown his machine, I don't see how the Arc Reactor changes that.
In the end, lets stop arguing or at the very least take it somewhere else cause it has nothing to do with the MCU's 8-C scaling and who gets what for their lifting strength.
