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MASSIVE Gravity Falls Upgrade

I am not sure. Weren't Eficiente's suggestions accepted, and still have to be applied?
 
Okay. Tell me here when you are done.
 
I saw it, if you want an upgrade because of it then it doesn't do it, it just shows a bunch of info that doesn't matter.
 
Well, Eficiente has rejected it and much of the premise was proven as false.
 
Antvasima said:
So should I close the other thread then?
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...no.

For real, the other thread is still going on and is accepted from Gilad, an user that yourself called, Eficiente rejected with the only reason being literally just "all this stuff doesen't matter".

This thread is more than finished, the other one is continuing with new evidence. Continuing this one means just beating a dead horse.
 
Antvasima said:
Well, Eficiente has rejected it and much of the premise was proven as false.
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Sorry but no, he didn't, he just implied to me not to try, Frankly I just think Bill is still not low 2-c ''via rift'', he is directly low 2-c(there are 2 scans for this on the blog). Anyway, my aim is not to do low 1-c, and in that other thread, hax issue and speed issue were brought up, so it should definitely not be closed. Please Ant don't do this
Edit: I can actually say that I wrote my blog post to put it on the Gravity Falls' page, so I didn't actually write them all to upgrade Bill. Let me state so that there is no misunderstanding.
 
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I would rather wait for the wiki to have higher standards than "here's a bunch of text, you need to go over all of it to satisfy people or else they're going to insist to apply it w/o caring to organize things better". Can't things just come in the form of 1 question or proposal at a time? Or at least some text that would hypothetically be in Bill's AP would be better than to just send into a huge blog.
 
Eficiente said:
I would rather wait for the wiki to have higher standards than "here's a bunch of text, you need to go over all of it to satisfy people or else they're going to insist to apply it w/o caring to organize things better". Can't things just come in the form of 1 question or proposal at a time? Or at least some text that would hypothetically be in Bill's AP would be better than to just send into a huge blog.
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That huge blog you said would amount to what you say if it was made only for Bill, but unfortunately, the huge blog you said was not just for Bill but for cosmology and some misunderstanding, If you really think ı did it for something like hoodwink against you, please count as you like, because my propose was just to give you my opinion of Bill, and you didn't even bother to debunk it.
At least look at the arguments StrymULTRA made in the other thread, he gave very good arguments throughout the whole discussion.
 
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Starting with 1 thing; using "world" as in reality a few times or even many times doesn't mean a verse always does so, it's just a word that can mean that and that's it. That's a very wanked and common thing on the wiki despite how basic it is.
 
Eficiente said:
Starting with 1 thing; using "world" as in reality a few times or even many times doesn't mean a verse always does so, it's just a word that can mean that and that's it. That's a very wanked and common thing on the wiki despite how basic it is.
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How many panels do I need to prove that exactly the word world always means universe, just tell me how many I need to find, that would be easier.(After all, we were taking it as a universe in series like maou gakuin if I remember correctly.)
Edit: it's time to go to bed to me, please keep debunking (counter arguments ı mean) I can prepare counter arguments in the morning, depending on your ct arguments
 
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No amount matters, it's just a word that can mean that when used, you can't just kill language like that, that's like taking in that some person you know always means 1 meaning of a word when used because they many times did so, you would have to go get help if you do so.

I don't care about what other verses do when evaluating 1 verse, "certain" people just grab in the work of others with less and less meaning over time until it all just becomes a sad parody, and they roll with it not because it's what it makes most sense, but boosted by their ego knowing other people have already agreed to it before and how it can be generally accepted now. Some Dragon Quest profiles until recently claimed a character to be able to blow up universes while linking as evidence 1 image in Imgur of said character being said to cause devastation on worlds, while below it the user who uploaded the image wrote that world means universe in Dragon Quest, aiming to make others believe that by their word alone in 1 sentence. That cringe isn't made up in a vacuum, a series of mistakes we do as a wiki makes users propose things like it, other people accept that, and everyone else act like nothing's wrong later, then that gets imitated as bad as it is or worst and the process repeats itself.
 
Efi if you just want to complain about the "world usage" (despite in another scan is directly said that Bill can destroy an universe in a pretty explicity way) that's for a wiki-wide CRT, not this. You're just derailing rn.
 
Eficiente said:
No amount matters, it's just a word that can mean that when used, you can't just kill language like that, that's like taking in that some person you know always means 1 meaning of a word when used because they many times did so, you would have to go get help if you do so.
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Context is what matter, if u disagree, go to that thread and debunk it
 
Eficiente said:
No amount matters, it's just a word that can mean that when used, you can't just kill language like that, that's like taking in that some person you know always means 1 meaning of a word when used because they many times did so, you would have to go get help if you do so.

I don't care about what other verses do when evaluating 1 verse, "certain" people just grab in the work of others with less and less meaning over time until it all just becomes a sad parody, and they roll with it not because it's what it makes most sense, but boosted by their ego knowing other people have already agreed to it before and how it can be generally accepted now. Some Dragon Quest profiles until recently claimed a character to be able to blow up universes while linking as evidence 1 image in Imgur of said character being said to cause devastation on worlds, while below it the user who uploaded the image wrote that world means universe in Dragon Quest, aiming to make others believe that by their word alone in 1 sentence. That cringe isn't made up in a vacuum, a series of mistakes we do as a wiki makes users propose things like it, other people accept that, and everyone else act like nothing's wrong later, then that gets imitated as bad as it is or worst and the process repeats itself.
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as I more or less understand your problem, let me try anyway;

I'm not going to prove how many world words scan meaning universe of course but he's the one who diagrams the portal with Ford, and the infinite worlds part of it is written in this diagram (I'm only writing this for close meaning), and after this experiment failed and Fiddleford left, Ford stated in his diary that Bill would destroy reality, (which is definitely the universe,have on the blog) and right after that, because he understood what Bill was going to do (same for Fiddleford).
On top of that, Blendin hints that Bill will destroy the universe. (Have on the blog)
Also Ford uses the word world to mean the universe here, as you can see from the panel, and this panel is the third proof that Bill will destroy the universe.
We have two scan Ford's implies and the time traveler Blendin's scan, I definitely don't think FiddleFord said it in a different sense (if you count him, there are 4 scan), and also I think there's enough scans for Bill.
 
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Eficiente is correct as far as I am aware.

Here are our standards for this:

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Creation Feats

Creation feats are feats in which a character creates objects from nothing by means like Reality Warping or similar. This separates them from feats in which objects are created from already existing materials, which would be calculated by conventional methods, or feats that qualify for...
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Antvasima said:
Eficiente is correct as far as I am aware.

Here are our standards for this:

vsbattles.fandom.com

Creation Feats

Creation feats are feats in which a character creates objects from nothing by means like Reality Warping or similar. This separates them from feats in which objects are created from already existing materials, which would be calculated by conventional methods, or feats that qualify for...
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Lmao, this is not for creation, but destruction.

You seriously can't give credit to someone who just says no and no over and over without elaborating further, but is just complaining on what's happening on wiki just because they're a moderator.
 
StrymULTRA said:
Lmao, this is not for creation, but destruction.
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yeh lol
StrymULTRA said:
You seriously can't give credit to someone who just says no and no over and over without elaborating further, but is just complaining on what's happening on wiki just because they're a moderator.
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Not to say that Eficiente also ignored purposely these points as well. I have no idea why you're making such a favoritism when the rebuttals are so poor and don't even cover all the things suggested, seriously.
 
I was referring to that the same standards regarding pocket universes apply regardless if it is for creation or destruction.

I also usually don't have the time to read anywhere near all posts, and focus on those written by our staff to save time.

If there exists explicit evidence for destroying a universe, I will check the scans.
 
Going by the above scans, a universal scale of power seems reliable, but we don't seem to know if it was a 3-A or Low 2-C level destruction.
 
Antvasima said:
Going by the above scans, a universal scale of power seems reliable, but we don't seem to know if it was a 3-A or Low 2-C level destruction.
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Tbh, is pretty much implied being Low 2-C, going with the blog, each universe/reality/dimension is its own timeline with different laws (like the M Dimension or that Dimension where time doesen't follow the linear logic of ours), making the universes each being Low 2-C, also because of the whole Nightmare Realm stuff, which is the 5D realm that is between all the universes to further confirm so as also stated in the other thread. Also Bill is superior to the Time Baby, a being who can mess with time and can manipulate space-time as well, other than having become a 4D being too. Not to mention that he became infinitely superior than all his previous forms as well.
 
Tbf wanting the destruction of stuff doesn't mean in one shoot all the time, especially when the one time he manages it he does so by letting the rip do all the work.
 
Thelastmlg said:
Tbf wanting the destruction of stuff doesn't mean in one shoot all the time, especially when the one time he manages it he does so by letting the rip do all the work.
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My man that stuff is on a Low 1-C scale and via the Weirdmageddon as said in the other thread. This is only about without it.
 
Also because he's stated to have infinite power and is above Time Baby who can manipulate a timeline (heck, he one-shotted it with no effort at all). These + the universe destruction statements + him becoming an higher-d being unbound from time pretty much put evidence for a Low 2-C rating tbh.

Scans are in the other thread if you wonder.
 
Okay, so should we continue the discussion in the other Gravity Falls thread, and close this one?
 
Unlocking as I didn't notice it was locked when writing.
StrymULTRA said:
Efi if you just want to complain about the "world usage" (despite in another scan is directly said that Bill can destroy an universe in a pretty explicity way) that's for a wiki-wide CRT, not this. You're just derailing rn.
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Bernkastelll said:
Context is what matter, if u disagree, go to that thread and debunk it
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he is not, the worlds refers as universe in this case
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It's needless to say, if context makes it so that "world" is used as in "universe" in 1 instance then yes in that instance it was used as in universe, what I disagree with is to always take it in as meaning universe regardless of context, like when one can't prove if they meant world or universe. That for all verses. I grabbed that 1 thing to go over and even that was misunderstood, I'm not disagreeing with any specific use of world being said to go as in universe.

I have other threads to do first for a while, if other users wants to deal with the issue then I can support that.
Yar_R_agi_7k said:
as I more or less understand your problem, let me try anyway;

I'm not going to prove how many world words scan meaning universe of course but he's the one who diagrams the portal with Ford, and the infinite worlds part of it is written in this diagram (I'm only writing this for close meaning), and after this experiment failed and Fiddleford left, Ford stated in his diary that Bill would destroy reality, (which is definitely the universe,have on the blog) and right after that, because he understood what Bill was going to do (same for Fiddleford).
On top of that, Blendin hints that Bill will destroy the universe. (Have on the blog)
Also Ford uses the word world to mean the universe here, as you can see from the panel, and this panel is the third proof that Bill will destroy the universe.
We have two scan Ford's implies and the time traveler Blendin's scan, I definitely don't think FiddleFord said it in a different sense (if you count him, there are 4 scan), and also I think there's enough scans for Bill.
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That's all true and all but why does it matter to recompile it? It doesn't serve any purpose, it just proves that in those cases they meant universe when they said world.
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I mean, Ant, seriously, we got THIS SCAN WHICH EXPLICITY SAYS THAT BILL CAN DESTROY AN UNIVERSE



Same with this



How is that not saying that Bill is Low 2-C, really dude, tell me
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Well hey, the first one is solid 3-A, so could the second but he may just mean as in the rip. The first scan isn't Low 2-C because that needs evidence of all time having been destroyed too...and because we explicitly know the past wasn't destroyed.

What's even the context of it? It collides with the plot of the show for Ford to know Bill's evil upon knowing him and for the future to be destroyed.

Regardless of that, this should make Bill 3-A in AP and durability, the stuff about "each universe/reality/dimension is its own timeline with different laws" and stuff making the feat actually Low 2-C and the rest I really don't think I would end up agreeing with, as a prediction, but I would need to go over all the stuff claimed for it.

So, can we for now settle for Universe level AP and Durability due to the scan above?
 
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