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Massive Fate Servant upgrade [Réalta Nua]

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SweetDao said:
t "the meteorite was enhanced or not".
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Also, you're going to tell why is it so much of a "metal gymnastics" as you suggest. If what we're doing, the people that disagree with you, can be called "mental gymnastic" then what you're doing is being too simple-minded and seeing too little into the actual context.

This is always like that. A wonderful statement or feat, then we get the context, then it destroys everything.
 
SweetDao said:
And yet people reasonable enough like Nanaya, stays around, makes CRT that are almost always accepted unanimously, weird, isn't it?

If they want a change of horizon, this is their choice. Nasuverse as a whole has massive problems and is, frankly, of another era. Standard were changed, people's mentality changed, and I could go on and on. Not too long ago, me and Nanaya found a problem with Arcueid's profile, something that supporters should've corrected long ago, yet we're here digressing about "the meteorite was enhanced or not".
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people are tired of deagon's shit. when i showed some people the thread, nearly all of them went "what do you expect with deagon"
 
BasedNecoScaler69 said:
people are tired of deagon's shit. when i showed some people the thread, nearly all of them went "what do you expect with deagon"
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What about mageman? Isn't he a supporter too? Also, I state this again, but Deagonx is ONE STAFF MEMBER.

If the thing you propose was legitimately obvious and that Deagonx was of bad faith, the thread would be already accepted. He can't block an entire thread all by himself.
 
Planet Busting Asteroid (Low 5-B,probably 5-B due to the large number of fragments)
The Demon Tower's plan in this singularity is to summon a meteor that will destroy the planet. The servants defeat the Demon Pillar of this singularity. Emiya Alter's Unlimited Lost Works literally fragments the planet-busting asteroid, while Artoria Alter proceeds to use her Excalibur Morgan to vaporize the fragmented asteroid pieces, of which each could still bust the Shinjuku singularity.
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No, we're talking about this feat at the moment. However, as Crimson explained, all they meant was the collective fragments could destroy Shinjuku city.
 
Indeed, I didn't make it up. Crimson explained to you why your interpretation was wrong, and you said it was mental gymnastics.
 
Mageman460 said:
Incorrect. The fragments were enough to destroy Shinjuku. Not the entire signularity.
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Shinjuku obviously means the entire singularity. Da Vinci wouldnt have went through the trouble of hyping them up if they were normal city level fragments. infact, ANY servant couldve took care of it.
 
Ah yes, any of the servants who don't have the range or Anti-Fortress NP to actually hit the fragments in the sky. On top of that there were two servants there, the one who fragmented the entire meteor. And then the one that vaporized it. It makes no narrative sense for a fragmented meteor to be more powerful than the entire meteor. As again, the entire meteor needed to hit the core to actually destroy the planet.

Ignore Dantes, dude is OP and probably could have just dealt with the entire meteor.

All of the meteor fragments were likely still aiming for Ritsuka. Making each one still a threat. Even beyond that if each fragment was enough to destroy the city of Shnjuku, that would still be bad even if servants could survive it. Because Ritsuka could not. And Ritsuka dying is game over.
 
Oh, and goetia holy grails create these singularities which at the bare minimum have showed the ability to create the earth, and explicitly power up characters. Yet the main protag and his servants are capable of beating them.

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Hey guess what. Once Moriarty was defeated, the meteor became just a regular meteor.
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Guess we're just dealing with a regular meteor now!

Also as a note, the grails do indeed create a singularity. However, they also sustain the singularity. In fact, they likely scale to 3-A or Low 2-C at least instead of 5-B. As they don't just stop at Earth.
 
Mageman460 said:
Also as a note, the grails do indeed create a singularity. However, they also sustain the singularity. In fact, they likely scale to 3-A or Low 2-C at least instead of 5-B. As they don't just stop at Earth.
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So just I'm sure to have understood, he was arguing for servant to be scaled at the grail then, right?
 
SweetDao said:
So just I'm sure to have understood, he was arguing for servant to be scaled at the grail then, right?
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Yes, see below.
BasedNecoScaler69 said:
Oh, and goetia holy grails create these singularities which at the bare minimum have showed the ability to create the earth, and explicitly power up characters. Yet the main protag and his servants are capable of beating them.
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This doesn't really work because while certain servants do get buffed by the grail, it should not be assumed they have the full power of the grail because the grail is still sustaining the entire singularity.
 
Mageman460 said:
Yes, see below.

This doesn't really work because while certain servants do get buffed by the grail, it should not be assumed they have the full power of the grail because the grail is still sustaining the entire singularity.
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Even if this is the case and grails are really tier 2/3, then there should be no problem scaling the rest of the grail empowered servants to cu being able to destroy the planet, as they are gaining energy from a universe level source. Planet level is a MUCH lower magnitude than universe level. it'd take like 0.00000000000000000000000000001% of its powers to buff the servants to that level.
 
So for one, Cu Alter isn't grail empowered when he fights Scathach. Dude is just built different. He only gets empowered by the grail after Medb loses. However, the grail is using it's power to sustain the singularity so he obviously doesn't scale to the grail's full power. He gets an unknown amp.

As for the Cu statement of being able to destroy the world, it's likely just a flowery statement or a hyperbole. Even if it is taken seriously, Scathach says he can destroy the "world" not the "planet." Which could be interpreted as a much lower level of power. Beyond all of that, it is through the usage of his Curruid Coinchenn Noble Phantasm. Something he only uses against Scathach and destroys 90% of her organs in one attack. The only reason she survived is because she is immortal. No one and nothing scales to this NP. His NP is also ridiculously powerful. Using it he one shot Heracles with God Hand and Salter.
 
Mageman460 said:
So for one, Cu Alter isn't grail empowered when he fights Scathach. Dude is just built different. He only gets empowered by the grail after Medb loses. However, the grail is using it's power to sustain the singularity so he obviously doesn't scale to the grail's full power. He gets an unknown amp.
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His altered state is created by the grail, so maybe he himself wasnt empowered until later, but his powers were still a product of the grail. Demon god pillars are stronger than even that, since cu used the grail to allow one to over take his body. Kingu was also compared to a demon pillar in magical energy.
Mageman460 said:
As for the Cu statement of being able to destroy the world, it's likely just a flowery statement or a hyperbole. Even if it is taken seriously, Scathach says he can destroy the "world" not the "planet." Which could be interpreted as a much lower level of power. Beyond all of that, it is through the usage of his Curruid Coinchenn Noble Phantasm. Something he only uses against Scathach and destroys 90% of her organs in one attack. The only reason she survived is because she is immortal. No one and nothing scales to this NP. His NP is also ridiculously powerful. Using it he one shot Heracles with God Hand and Salter.
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Not likely considering what the grail is capabale of. World is typically used very liberally in nasu anyway.
 
BasedNecoScaler69 said:
ok, but what about the multi continent meta. muti layered defense. gg.
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The one High 6-A thing you posted? That once again no one scales to. Also, please provide proof that the meteor that hit the Arctic is actually the second largest meteor while the one headed for LA was the largest. You have still yet to do so.
Or do you mean the 6-A+ thing you posted. That no one scales to.
 
Mageman460 said:
The one High 6-A thing you posted? That once again no one scales to. Also, please provide proof that the meteor that hit the Arctic is actually the second largest meteor while the one headed for LA was the largest. You have still yet to do so.
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From a mage’s point of view, the most significant fragment was the largest one.
It was less of a fragment and more of an asteroid still in its original form.
Thia used all other asteroids as decoys as he sent this one in a different trajectory with
concealment magecraft hiding it from sight and magical energy detection. It was set to fall on
Snowfield.
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bruh.
Mageman460 said:
Or do you mean the 6-A+ thing you posted. That no one scales to.
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i've already said why characters scale, im not repeating that again.
 
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