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Massive Fate Servant upgrade?

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In Fate Strange Fake, Thia Escardos created a bunch of falling meteors strong enough to threaten the entire surface of the earth, and any life on it.

Predicting what would happen next, Enkidu explosively unleashed the magical energy they
brought with them from Earth’s surface and prepared to intercept the attack.
The next instant... In an attempt to activate his magecraft before Enkidu had the time to
deploy their Noble Phantasm, Thia yelled powerful words.
Hollowed Hearsay/Oblivion turns to festivity
“A Clockwork Abbadon!”
Numerous “moons” with masses ranging from 500 kilos to dozens of tons rained on Enkidu
and Earth much beyond the speed of sound.
Due to a spell to ignore air resistance, the projectiles he continuously fired with the high
speed of a railgun shot would never burn or slow down. It was clear that if they reached the

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surface, they would cause major harm to the land and all the life on it.

At that moment, the energy levels in Enkidu’s body skyrocketed. Thia couldn’t tell where
all this power was coming from but all of the Heroic Spirit’s parameters got a temporary boost.
People, let us bind the gods
“Enuma Elish!”
Enkidu unleashed their Noble Phantasm without a moment’s delay.
The power to turn their Saint Graph into one all-piercing lynchpin weapon by borrowing
power from the planet and Human Order.
This is obviously a surface desctruction feat, which is = 646.57 Petatons of TNT (Multi-Continent level) High 6-A.

Enkidu later manages to block some of the debris, but fails to deflect all of it.

The second largest fragment, was able to evaporate 12% of the arctic ice in an instant, just with its heat energy.

It didn’t cause visible geographical changes, but its mental shock on humanity was large.
As the observation satellites suddenly showed that
12% of the Arctic ice caps vanished from one footage clip to the next.
Had this happened to Antarctica’s ice, it would have had a tangible effect on Earth’s oceanic levels.
The largest Piece, which has a mass close to the original, was capable of this.
Direct contact with the malignant star’s destruction and atomic decay spells would return
the city named after the angels to light.
The magical energy contained in it could erase all life within a few kilometers’ radius. And
the decay that comes after the destruction would cause a chain of cataclysms by stimulating the
land, the dragonveins, and the underground magma.
Not even Thia himself was able to stop this. This impact would define the future direction
of humanity, on a physical level far beyond the arcane concealment.
Keyword: would.
Thia line of sight took him to a dense swirling cumulonimbus.
Supposedly a western hurricane that passed Los Angeles on its way to Nevada.
The giant cumulonimbus might seem like just a grotesque mass of giant clouds taking up
space on Earth’s troposphere but Thia always felt an unpleasant presence inside its dense clouds.
It felt like all the magical energy of the land and air around the cumulonimbus was trapped
inside the cloud.
Some major unknown threat was inside it but he knew he was in no condition to do anything
about it.
That’s why he didn’t give it any attention until now.
However, Gugalanna was capable of stopping it.
An egg of ruin and destruction, charged with enough power to cause a widespread earth-
quake when it hit the ground.

Is it more powerful than the hurricane then?
Obviously, comparing different forms of calamities is comparing apples and oranges, and
cataclysmic earthquakes are inherently more damaging to the world than giant tornados, but

looking only at their energy numbers, the bulky hurricane had the power of a hundred magni-
tude 9 earthquakes.

What would happen if all this energy walked like a beast?

This amount of energy alone, would be
9.32 Teratons * 100 = 932 Teratons. (6-A Continent Level.)
Not a zoomorphized cyclone. The opposite of that, in fact.
This appearance is the direct result of attempting to make a beast of the gods descend to the
world without changing its shape. Thia knew exactly what the monster truly was.
The beast with the golden skeleton visible inside the cumulonimbus slowly raised its head.

No, it only seemed slow to Thia and Enkidu because of the distance between them. Consi-
dering its massiveness, the speed its chin opened and closed should have been amazing.

The malignant star slipped straight into the colossus’ mouth, which closed soon after.
It would have immediately formed a dust cloud of destruction had it reached the ground.
But it never happened.
As a result of this, I think all characters that use Fafnir calc should get upgraded to High 6-A ( all low 6-B noble phantasms.)
 
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Oh neat an AP upgrade to all the characters that scale to Gugalanna's current feat. Which is no one. But let's assume for a moment that we could scale to Gugalanna.

Thia's feat is Environmental Destruction at best. The feat is also not surface destruction, but life wipe. Which is technically lower.
Enkidu does not scale to it as he used Enuma Elish to counter it. Something we currently accept as Tier 1. Even if he didn't he was still amped by the planet.
Gugalanna is Tier 1. And once again, no one scales to the current Gugalanna feat.
 
Oh neat an AP upgrade to all the characters that scale to Gugalanna's current feat. Which is no one. But let's assume for a moment that we could scale to Gugalanna.

Thia's feat is Environmental Destruction at best. The feat is also not surface destruction, but life wipe. Which is technically lower.
Enkidu does not scale to it as he used Enuma Elish to counter it. Something we currently accept as Tier 1. Even if he didn't he was still amped by the planet.
Gugalanna is Tier 1. And once again, no one scales to the current Gugalanna feat.
major harm to the land and all the life on it.
also, there are plenty of rank a+ and above anti army np servants, so im not sure why you say no one scales.
 
No one scales to the current Gugalanna calc. I don't even know why the calc is on the page to be honest. Gugalanna also gets Tier 1 scaling to Tiamat in a true form. The weakened Gugalanna we see in Summer 2 also bodies all the servants except Quetz who got a conceptual advantage or something. So anyone scaling to True Form Gugalanna would be Tier 1.
 
No one scales to the current Gugalanna calc. I don't even know why the calc is on the page to be honest. Gugalanna also gets Tier 1 scaling to Tiamat in a true form. The weakened Gugalanna we see in Summer 2 also bodies all the servants except Quetz who got a conceptual advantage or something. So anyone scaling to True Form Gugalanna would be Tier 1.
sf ishtar is weakened by
1. being a pseudo servant
2. sacrificing most of her divinity
fgo ishtar isnt tier 1 due to the fact of her being a pseudo servant
 
No one scales to the current Gugalanna calc. I don't even know why the calc is on the page to be honest. Gugalanna also gets Tier 1 scaling to Tiamat in a true form. The weakened Gugalanna we see in Summer 2 also bodies all the servants except Quetz who got a conceptual advantage or something. So anyone scaling to True Form Gugalanna would be Tier 1.
fgo ishtar's page says that Guglanna is low 6-B... despite having a 6-B calc. Let me edit the op to say the fafnir calc, as thats what weakened Gugalanna currently scales to.
 
This is obviously a surface desctruction feat, which is = 646.57 Petatons of TNT (Multi-Continent level) High 6-A.

Harming all life on earth isn't a surface wiping feat,you can do that with large country level meteors like the Chicxulub Impact Event.
This amount of energy alone, would be
9.32 Teratons * 100 = 932 Teratons. (6-A Continent Level.)
I agree.
As a result of this, I think all characters that use Fafnir calc should get upgraded to High 6-A

I think they should just get one third of the 6-a value from the earthquake calc.since alcides one shots gugalana thanks to jack's np and the mud.

Also I am pretty sure gugalana got a couple new feats from the recent chapter.
No one scales to the current Gugalanna calc. I don't even know why the calc is on the page to be honest. Gugalanna also gets Tier 1 scaling to Tiamat in a true form. The weakened Gugalanna we see in Summer 2 also bodies all the servants except Quetz who got a conceptual advantage or something. So anyone scaling to True Form Gugalanna would be Tier 1.

Why is the np scaling to the original when it's clear that it's way weaker.ishtar even says she can unleash it in a building like I don't think that's a tier 1 thing.

Fate strange fake gugalana even has a different np name and is far more powerful that fgo ishtar gugalana and is still stated by ishtar to be a shadow of the original due to her servant container.
 
Harming all life on earth isn't a surface wiping feat,you can do that with large country level meteors like the Chicxulub Impact Event.
The meteor is a threat to the surface as well, which is why enkidu gets a buff from both counterforces. the Earth couldn't give a single f if all the life on it died
 
The meteor is a threat to the surface as well, which is why enkidu gets a buff from both counterforces. the Earth couldn't give a single f if all the life on it died
The counter force consists of both alaya and gaia.the attack was described to have been recognised as threat to human order or the planet so it can be either.
 
also is there any way to calc the ke?

Time Manipulation: A
He can freely speed up or slow down any concepts (including all magical energy, physical movement, thought speed, etc) within his area of effect for as long as he has the magical energy for it. However, the increase or decrease of speed stops at reasonable levels, meaning it's naturally impossible for him to produce perfect stasis, light speed, or time reversal.

■ (Obscured in volume 7)

Noble Phantasms
A Clockwork Abaddon: Hollowed Hearsay/Oblivion turns to festivity
Rank: A+
Type: Anti-Foundation Noble Phantasm
Range: 2-within his field of view
Maximum Targets: ???
A magical accelerator cannon, done by imbuing an object with whatever form of magecraft, accelerating it to its limit, and shooting. For example, to use a simple high-damage version he could compress molecular decay magecraft to its limit before imbuing an object with it, or for a mental effect, he could use hypnosis. The ability can adapt to a very wide range of situations. Due to a restriction that it can only employ magecraft usable in present-day Earth, it's obviously impossible for him to reproduce Magic and imbue it into an object.
He accelerated the meteor to their absolute limit, which stops at just before lightspeed,and launched it. He also made it so the meteors did not slow down or burn up.
 
The counter force consists of both alaya and gaia.the attack was described to have been recognised as threat to human order or the planet so it can be either.
The power to turn their Saint Graph into one all-piercing lynchpin weapon by borrowing
power from the planet and Human Order.
 
would 99% lightspeed be a good value?
Use relativistic calculator take multiple ends like 90%,95% and 99%

Also please stop multiple posting
The power to turn their Saint Graph into one all-piercing lynchpin weapon by borrowing
power from the planet and Human Order.

Yes because the counter force consists of both alaya and Gaia so it will be fuelled by both planet and human order regardless of whether it damages only one or both.

Also the next couple lines from the novel

"The impact’s rebound reached the Kármán line, which represents the border between the planet and the universe, where it became a pseudo-aurora gaudily decorating the space above Snowfield.
Thia’s greater magecraft was possibly perceived as a threat to the planet or Human Order."

So it can be either the planet or human order.
 
Thia’s greater magecraft was possibly perceived as a threat to the planet or Human Order."

So it can be either the planet or human order.
or doesnt always mean one or the other, though.
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/ôr/
conjunction

  1. 1.
    used to link alternatives.
    "a cup of tea or coffee"

  2. 2.
    introducing a synonym or explanation of a preceding word or phrase.
    "the espionage novel, or, as it is known in the trade, the thriller"
 
I have no idea why Ishtar's Gugalanna Strike isn't 6-B or Tier 1 to be honest. Regardless, once again the High 6-A "surface wipe" can't be used. Even if it was a true surface wipe, the feat was with a multitude of different attacks. Only one of which Gugalanna actually interacted with. If you can provide the proof that the meteor was actually larger than the one that melted 12% of the arctic, then you could probably calc that and try using that.

Balmung works as a much better NP for all NPs to scale to as it isn't using an Authority like Gugalanna. It is just raw power and has a feat of directly clashing with another A+ Rank Anti-Army NP (Clarent Blood Arthur)

It should be fine to scale Gugalanna to the 6-A value of the 100 magnitude 9 Earthquakes though. As this Gugalanna is very heavily implied, if not outright, the same Gugalanna that F/GO Ishtar is suppose to have.

Also as a note, if you upgrade all A+ and above NPs to whatever value, you are also upgrading all servants as they currently scale to 1/3rd A++.
 
I have no idea why Ishtar's Gugalanna Strike isn't 6-B or Tier 1 to be honest. Regardless, once again the High 6-A "surface wipe" can't be used. Even if it was a true surface wipe, the feat was with a multitude of different attacks. Only one of which Gugalanna actually interacted with. If you can provide the proof that the meteor was actually larger than the one that melted 12% of the arctic, then you could probably calc that and try using that.
all there is is a statement that this meteor was massively bigger than the others. I could calc it by using the dozens of tons stated but im not sure what speed to use. A Clockwork abaddon accelerates everything to Thia's absolute limit, but the limit is lightspeed ( Thia can accelerate it as fast as he wants, as long as the speed is below light.) The problem with that is that can literally be extended to make the feat all the way to 3-A, which while that could be the case due to how the counterforce works, is probably an inflated number. I've thought of either using the Greisen–Zatsepin–Kuzmin limit, or the speed of the Oh-my-god particle (no , this is its actual name.), which are the fastest recorded speed for things with mass, and portrays much more reasonable results of what I expect a feat of this scale to be.
Balmung works as a much better NP for all NPs to scale to as it isn't using an Authority like Gugalanna. It is just raw power and has a feat of directly clashing with another A+ Rank Anti-Army NP (Clarent Blood Arthur)
im pretty sure gugalanna in sf lacks any authority, because of the whole ishtar sacrificing a large portion of her divinity.
 
It should be fine to scale Gugalanna to the 6-A value of the 100 magnitude 9 Earthquakes though. As this Gugalanna is very heavily implied, if not outright, the same Gugalanna that F/GO Ishtar is suppose to have.

Well it's also stated to be a shadow of the original one according to her.
Also as a note, if you upgrade all A+ and above NPs to whatever value, you are also upgrading all servants as they currently scale to 1/3rd A++.
Should be fine considering alcides one shots it with a arrow when boosted by jack np and the mud.
 
what would destabilizing the earths rotation be calced at?

  1. --If the one from the North Pole had fallen in an urban area... No, this problem would not have humanity’s alone. If that thing had fallen anywhere other than the North Pole, it would have had an irreversible effect on Earth’s rotation, causing...--
  2. Fate/Strange Fake: Volume 7, Chapter 22: "The First and Last Breather Day"
 
what would destabilizing the earths rotation be calced at?
That wouldn't even be Tier 6 anymore at that point it'd be Tier 5
Too vague to calc,it could mean anything from slowing earth's rotation(which is from 6-a to 5-c) or even alter it's axis which can be anywhere depending on the difference.

The meteorite calc is a small-country level.and we have thia freezing the entire gugalana storm of 800 km which also can be calced and gugalana roar can be heard from the outer side of the planet(if we can even calc that).
 
I actually found more scans supporting continent-low planetary meta, so ill get this closed while i refine the thread with more wank.
 
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